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Old 12-09-07, 10:13 AM
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V-Mount Options (What would you want)

I am working on a V-Mount kit for possible production. This kit is going to be a low cost kit compared to those currently available. It will also require some work to setup , but based on the RE and knightsport it looks like the same amount of work to setup would be required. I want to make available as many options as possible with this "kit", such as radiator only kits, battery and relocated battery IC's as well as power steering cooler, undertrays and battery trays. I will most likely start with all steel mounts and parts and move some over to having an aluminum options for appropriate parts. I am wondering though what other type of options are people looking for. Like I said before I will not be offering an AC version so that option is out but everything else is up for discussion.
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I would be interested in a kit for relocated batteries. Let me know if you get this into production.
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ac option is out, but can u make a room for the ac in between IC and Radiator?
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A/c and able to fit a smaller battery
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If you can support AC, power steering and a non relocated battery you will increase your potential set of buyers significantly. For example, the HKV v-mount had a mini battery that sat behind the intercooler (could not find pictures) allowing the intercoooler to span the entire front engine bay width. It also came with AC piping to relocate the AC.

I would also support the stock twins or aftermarket equivalents. And the air pump.

Support those five things (which may not be easy), make a decent kit, and you might make some money.

And try to keep the stock fuse boxes in their original location. Any rewiring of these (in fact, any rewiring at all) will scare many people.
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i have the picture of the hks.. its from the the rx7 from tokyo drift

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I will not support AC too much mess for what its worth (IMO). I'm sure it will limit my ability to sell kits but that was one reason I will offer a radiator only setup for those willing to work in their AC. The battery option so far will be a 680 style odyssey or powermaster sized battery, unless you have relocated the battery. I am working on something for the 51R but that will be off a bit. Powersteering will also be supported with either modified cooler line loops or an actual mounted cooler options.
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Originally Posted by fritts
I will not support AC too much mess for what its worth (IMO). I'm sure it will limit my ability to sell kits but that was one reason I will offer a radiator only setup for those willing to work in their AC. The battery option so far will be a 680 style odyssey or powermaster sized battery, unless you have relocated the battery. I am working on something for the 51R but that will be off a bit. Powersteering will also be supported with either modified cooler line loops or an actual mounted cooler options.
My guess (and I'm pulling this number out of my ***) is that you will lose 70%+ of your prospective buyers if you do not support AC. If you are doing this for fun, it is not a big deal, but if your goal is to make money, well, you can do the math. That said, I have no idea how much effort it is to fabricate AC lines (or if it is possible to have an AC shop do it for you for a reasonable price).
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That's fine if I lose that business. AC complicates and hinders the ability to cool and seal off the radiator and IC. I will not complicate the design I have for a "comfort" feature. Total cost for the kit will also reflect the fact AC was not designed for. This was the main reason I mentioned in the beginning I would not design for AC.
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check out Greddy's website.. they have options there available, battery relocated, twin turbo, Greddy Elbow etc etc etc
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why V- mounts

I just don't get why everyone sweats v-mounts so much . You have to use a smaller intercooler core , which means you get less cooling. It's placed in an already HOT engine bay which further takes away from a cooling charge. I can't see why people would get a v-mount over a fmic for those 2 reasons alone, other than it looks different.
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Make it without eliminating anything... A/C, powersteering, battery relocation and i'm in! Always wanted one, but didn't want to eliminate anything!! You'll get much more interest this way...
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Originally Posted by puz pounda
You have to use a smaller intercooler core
You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you want to work out the dimensions of, say, the HKS pictured above and compare it to pretty much any other core in any configuration.
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Originally Posted by moconnor
You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you want to work out the dimensions of, say, the HKS pictured above and compare it to pretty much any other core in any configuration.

Yeah I would HIGHLY doubt it's bigger than a apex gt-spec or a greddy fmic. When was the last time you saw a fast rx7 at the track with a v-mount? As far as I can remember I never saw a v-mount on the rx7.com car, Peter Farrel's car, or the A&L Racing car.You get a better cooling charge with it directly infront which means you'd make more power, rice boy!
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Originally Posted by puz pounda
Yeah I would HIGHLY doubt it's bigger than a apex gt-spec or a greddy fmic. When was the last time you saw a fast rx7 at the track with a v-mount? As far as I can remember I never saw a v-mount on the rx7.com car, Peter Farrel's car, or the A&L Racing car.You get a better cooling charge with it directly infront which means you'd make more power, rice boy!
'Rice boy', huh? Did you just wander in from a Civic board? Please go back.
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To bad with a large front mount your radiator cooling is suffering. Go check out some JGTC cars and see what kind of setups they are running. Try road racing an FMIC your cooling will suffer but you'll have great charge temps. Do some searches on FMIC cooling issues. Core sizes I have been desgning for are approximately 24x11x3-4 for non battery setups and 18x10.5x3-4 with battery.
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I have the HKS kit. I eliminated PS and A/C though, so I got the cheaper kit that didn't come with the relocating lines. The kit is really nice, but I wish it sealed up against the radiator and intercooler a bit better.
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A/C , P/S & Smaller battery would be awesome!
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Originally Posted by puz pounda
I just don't get why everyone sweats v-mounts so much . You have to use a smaller intercooler core , which means you get less cooling. It's placed in an already HOT engine bay which further takes away from a cooling charge. I can't see why people would get a v-mount over a fmic for those 2 reasons alone, other than it looks different.


Air -> [Intercooler] - [Rad] gets no air! Simple as that. Not all of us go for straightline speed. Most of us like to enjoy our 7's for what they were mean't to do with that awesome 50/50 weight distribution. A V-mount lets us track all day with our engine temps happy as well as great charge temps.

V-mount > Front mount
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Here's a V-mount FD that currently hold the unlimited RWD lap time at buttonwillow.

https://www.rx7club.com/race-car-tech-103/rx7-holds-unlimited-rwd-record-buttonwillow-704109/
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