V-Mount or Apexi ECU
08-18-11, 08:14 AM
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V-Mount or Apexi ECU
Hey there I am planning to make my next purchase for my car, so far I have bought a belt to delete my AC (doest work), a Battery relocation kit to put the battery in the trunk. So my next choice was going to buy a V-mount intercooler/radiator. But I wanted to get some of your opinions on weather or not I should get the ECU first.
08-18-11, 08:22 AM
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What are your other mods? IMO engine management is a lot more important than a v-mount especially when you're first starting to modify your FD. I would also consider reliability mods before purchasing a Power FC. Some consider a Power FC a reliability mod itself but there is more than can be done before getting one. Put some money into reliability mods and then purchase a Power FC.
08-18-11, 08:42 AM
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What are your other mods? IMO engine management is a lot more important than a v-mount especially when you're first starting to modify your FD. I would also consider reliability mods before purchasing a Power FC. Some consider a Power FC a reliability mod itself but there is more than can be done before getting one. Put some money into reliability mods and then purchase a Power FC.
08-18-11, 09:58 AM
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ok, in then next few months I plan on purchasing
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
Anyone wanna put that in a list in which to purchase first? I am def going to purchase the PFC first
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08-18-11, 11:26 AM
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ok, in then next few months I plan on purchasing
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
Anyone wanna put that in a list in which to purchase first? I am def going to purchase the PFC first
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
Anyone wanna put that in a list in which to purchase first? I am def going to purchase the PFC first
id go with
1. fuel filter!
2. power fc
3. wideband a/f
4. vmount (intercooler, rad, and dual oil coolers, it'll be easier to install them all at once to get proper fitment)
5. upgraded fuel system, id stick with the cleaned stock 550 primaries (or id1000's if you have the cash), and either bored out to 1300cc secondaries, or new top feed rail with either bosch 1680's or id 2200's. doubt you need dual fuel pumps until u get well over 450 rwhp, but upgrade to a supra denso pump is a must)
6. water/meth injection
7. dyno tune
8. hks twin power if you have ignition break up at high rpms (doubtful)
just my two cents
08-18-11, 12:23 PM
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if your running stock twins and don't plan on going to a giant single turbo anytime soon.
id go with
1. fuel filter!
2. power fc
3. wideband a/f
4. vmount (intercooler, rad, and dual oil coolers, it'll be easier to install them all at once to get proper fitment)
5. upgraded fuel system, id stick with the cleaned stock 550 primaries (or id1000's if you have the cash), and either bored out to 1300cc secondaries, or new top feed rail with either bosch 1680's or id 2200's. doubt you need dual fuel pumps until u get well over 450 rwhp, but upgrade to a supra denso pump is a must)
6. water/meth injection
7. dyno tune
8. hks twin power if you have ignition break up at high rpms (doubtful)
just my two cents
id go with
1. fuel filter!
2. power fc
3. wideband a/f
4. vmount (intercooler, rad, and dual oil coolers, it'll be easier to install them all at once to get proper fitment)
5. upgraded fuel system, id stick with the cleaned stock 550 primaries (or id1000's if you have the cash), and either bored out to 1300cc secondaries, or new top feed rail with either bosch 1680's or id 2200's. doubt you need dual fuel pumps until u get well over 450 rwhp, but upgrade to a supra denso pump is a must)
6. water/meth injection
7. dyno tune
8. hks twin power if you have ignition break up at high rpms (doubtful)
just my two cents
I will be purchasing a single turbo in the spring, I have about a month 1/2- 2 months to drive the FD before she will be parked in my garage for the winter
I plan on getting the entire fuel system redone by spring my plan was
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
My goal is 500hp but I dont think ill be able to get that with out porting the engine?
08-18-11, 12:33 PM
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wow ^ that's one expensive sounding setup right there!
many people have hit the 500hp mark with stock ports, with a giant single turbo running high psi's. But if your goal is @ the 500hp mark, I would definitely want to rebuild and port the crap out of the motor b4 pushing it to that. Not just so you have piece of mind that you shouldn't be shooting an apex seal @ ur brand new turbo, but also so you can run you turbo at a lower psi and hopefully reach the same hp numbers. Not too sure what kinda numbers u'll make with e85 tho.
i'm shooting for 325 rwhp daily driver, should be good enough for me for what I want to do.
many people have hit the 500hp mark with stock ports, with a giant single turbo running high psi's. But if your goal is @ the 500hp mark, I would definitely want to rebuild and port the crap out of the motor b4 pushing it to that. Not just so you have piece of mind that you shouldn't be shooting an apex seal @ ur brand new turbo, but also so you can run you turbo at a lower psi and hopefully reach the same hp numbers. Not too sure what kinda numbers u'll make with e85 tho.
i'm shooting for 325 rwhp daily driver, should be good enough for me for what I want to do.
08-18-11, 12:41 PM
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wow ^ that's one expensive sounding setup right there!
many people have hit the 500hp mark with stock ports, with a giant single turbo running high psi's. But if your goal is @ the 500hp mark, I would definitely want to rebuild and port the crap out of the motor b4 pushing it to that. Not just so you have piece of mind that you shouldn't be shooting an apex seal @ ur brand new turbo, but also so you can run you turbo at a lower psi and hopefully reach the same hp numbers. Not too sure what kinda numbers u'll make with e85 tho.
i'm shooting for 325 rwhp daily driver, should be good enough for me for what I want to do.
many people have hit the 500hp mark with stock ports, with a giant single turbo running high psi's. But if your goal is @ the 500hp mark, I would definitely want to rebuild and port the crap out of the motor b4 pushing it to that. Not just so you have piece of mind that you shouldn't be shooting an apex seal @ ur brand new turbo, but also so you can run you turbo at a lower psi and hopefully reach the same hp numbers. Not too sure what kinda numbers u'll make with e85 tho.
i'm shooting for 325 rwhp daily driver, should be good enough for me for what I want to do.
08-18-11, 03:02 PM
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I will be purchasing a single turbo in the spring, I have about a month 1/2- 2 months to drive the FD before she will be parked in my garage for the winter
I plan on getting the entire fuel system redone by spring my plan was
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
My goal is 500hp but I dont think ill be able to get that with out porting the engine?
I plan on getting the entire fuel system redone by spring my plan was
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
My goal is 500hp but I dont think ill be able to get that with out porting the engine?
E85 requires more attention then that. you need to replace the fuel lines, and coat the gas tank. You should speak with Roan (nyspeed) e85 takes double the amount of fuel... i dont think those injectors are large enough. (i could be wrong) roan is using 8 1600's just to give you an idea but hes making well over your 500 u want.
Def PFC first. cuz you will be able to lower the temps your fans kick on so that will also aid in cooling. rad will be next mod.
In this list of parts i dont see anything turbo related. since you DONT have an aftermarket ecu im assuming you have a stock twins. there is no way you will get close to 500 on stock twins so add single turbo to that list.
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
What are you goals besides 500? do u want a single? or prefer twins. that dictates other mods..
08-18-11, 03:11 PM
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I think you need to take a step back and rethink this.
E85 requires more attention then that. you need to replace the fuel lines, and coat the gas tank. You should speak with Roan (nyspeed) e85 takes double the amount of fuel... i dont think those injectors are large enough. (i could be wrong) roan is using 8 1600's just to give you an idea but hes making well over your 500 u want.
Def PFC first. cuz you will be able to lower the temps your fans kick on so that will also aid in cooling. rad will be next mod.
In this list of parts i dont see anything turbo related. since you DONT have an aftermarket ecu im assuming you have a stock twins. there is no way you will get close to 500 on stock twins so add single turbo to that list.
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
What are you goals besides 500? do u want a single? or prefer twins. that dictates other mods..
E85 requires more attention then that. you need to replace the fuel lines, and coat the gas tank. You should speak with Roan (nyspeed) e85 takes double the amount of fuel... i dont think those injectors are large enough. (i could be wrong) roan is using 8 1600's just to give you an idea but hes making well over your 500 u want.
Def PFC first. cuz you will be able to lower the temps your fans kick on so that will also aid in cooling. rad will be next mod.
In this list of parts i dont see anything turbo related. since you DONT have an aftermarket ecu im assuming you have a stock twins. there is no way you will get close to 500 on stock twins so add single turbo to that list.
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
PFC
HKS ignition
Dual fuel pumps
fuel filter
LIM
Fuel rail
2 x 2200CC injectors
2 x 1000 CC injectors
Meth injection
Wideband A/F
What are you goals besides 500? do u want a single? or prefer twins. that dictates other mods..
I will be purchasing a single turbo in the spring, I have about a month 1/2- 2 months to drive the FD before she will be parked in my garage for the winter
I plan on getting the entire fuel system redone by spring my plan was
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
My goal is 500hp but I dont think ill be able to get that with out porting the engine?
I plan on getting the entire fuel system redone by spring my plan was
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
My goal is 500hp but I dont think ill be able to get that with out porting the engine?
That list is more or less the fuel system upgrades I had in mind..
I stated here that I will be purchasing a single turbo in the spring! (Tax returns & company bonus
) I really want a Fast spooling turbo, so just enough turbo to obtain close to the 500hp I was talking to a local Rotary shop here in minnesota, and they told me what injectors I needed to obtain 500hp, and the reason why I am buy 2 X 340 aermotive fuel pumps
more or less my goal to accomplish by next summer is
Vmount intercooler/radiator
dual oil coolers
single turbo
PFC
HKS ignition
E85 (gas station less then a mile from me has it)
2 x 340 aeromotive pumps
CI motorosports mount
2 X aeromotive fuel filters
aeromotive Fuel pressure regulator
xcessive LIM
Xcessive Fuel rail
2 X Injector Dynamics ID2000 secondarys
2 x Injector Dynamics ID1000 primarys
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08-18-11, 11:42 PM
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when I was in minnesota it was so damn cold I took underground passages to walk from building to building to go shopping....
if you get a new large intercooler first, just make sure not to manually raise the boost until you have some sort of engine management
if you get a new large intercooler first, just make sure not to manually raise the boost until you have some sort of engine management
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