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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by moconnor
Which 1200s? You mean stock 850s bored to 1200? If so, there is probably not much of a sample size of these compared to the 1300s. Or are you talking about some other injectors?
Yes, they're bored out 850s to 1200s. For some reason they are less likely to stick. I guess since they flow a tiny bit less than the 1300s. I wonder how many people have had their 1300s stick compared to those running them fine without any problems whatsoever....
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by moconnor
Which 1200s? You mean stock 850s bored to 1200? If so, there is probably not much of a sample size of these compared to the 1300s. Or are you talking about some other injectors?
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Yes, they're bored out 850s to 1200s. For some reason they are less likely to stick. I guess since they flow a tiny bit less than the 1300s. I wonder how many people have had their 1300s stick compared to those running them fine without any problems whatsoever....
Yea see that seems to be the thought. I normally don't like to repeat unsubstantiated rumors, but given the hefty implications of this one, I'd rather have a head's up on the possibility, in order to do my own research and make my own risk assessment/come to my own conclusion rather than never even get a whiff of this and finding out the hard way, ya know? It was a HUGE rumor going around, with multiple failures posted on the thread about 2 - 3 yrs ago...big long threads...not sure if you remember, and most of these guys are too new to the forum to know about it.

And yes, the sample size is prob. quite different, so statistically speaking, that is a contributing factor to it as well.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:31 PM
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I remember those threads, though I have not seen any reports in the last few years (I think). The difference in power capabilities between 1200cc and 1300cc is not significant so perhaps 1200cc may be a (slightly paranoid) safer choice.
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by moconnor
I remember those threads, though I have not seen any reports in the last few years (I think). The difference in power capabilities between 1200cc and 1300cc is not significant so perhaps 1200cc may be a (slightly paranoid) safer choice.
My thoughts exactly
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Boostn7
At these power levels the motor is revving much faster, solenoids and actuators simply cannot operate quick enough for a proper sequential operation.
You will get a dip as the dyno shows or uncrontrolled boost spikes during crossover.
Actually part of the problem is the higher boost - it causes some solenoids to stick. A pressure regulator has helped some sequential setups fix this.

Dave
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Actually part of the problem is the higher boost - it causes some solenoids to stick. A pressure regulator has helped some sequential setups fix this.

Dave
Which is the exact problem im facing running seq BNRS... Just a waiting game now until Rob can get my new solenoid pack over to me...
This thread has really given me hope as to what power i know these are capable of and what to expect out of my car...again well done to all involved!!!
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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i just bought the whole ultimate fuel kit from rx7store with secondary 1600cc injectors, you guys saying that it would too much ? they are the top feed and not the side feed injectors
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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No thats fine for your application...that kit can easily sustain BIG single turbo cars...its just right for what you need. If its the kit that includes 850 primaries then personally i wouldnt use them. Just go with the 1600cc secondries because its easier to tune and also doesnt use as much fuel at idle and when cruising
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by R-R-Rx7
i just bought the whole ultimate fuel kit from rx7store with secondary 1600cc injectors, you guys saying that it would too much ? they are the top feed and not the side feed injectors
Being that you just bought it, does it matter? It's a wee bit too late now, don'tcha think?
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 08:32 PM
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Being that you just bought it, does it matter? It's a wee bit too late now, don'tcha think?
Nah i wouldnt say that,
i would have either cancel it or modify my order to match with what i need. i only placed the order today in the afternoon
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Old Dec 10, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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Streetport done was my standard version pictured/discussed at http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/3r..._turbo_sp.html and also pictured at
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/builds/frascone/ in pics 47-53.

I dont do 3 or 4 versions of streetport like some. I dont have a stage 1 that passes emissions, a stage 2 for autox, a JDM stage 3 for interstate pulls and a super stage 4.5 Type R JDM y0 version for drift. Either you want it ported or not, and if you do, this is what you get.

There are a couple of 450rwhp FC's running my ports on smallish singles and plenty of FD's making 400+ as well. I leave mine a little rougher than some others might. Those not in the know might claim this is laziness, but I think it is actually more beneficial than taking them down to a mirror polish. One way or another, the difference is minute, and clearly my method works out okay.
hey hey! there's my motor! still breaking it in though... thanks again kevin!!!
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:06 AM
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Actually part of the problem is the higher boost - it causes some solenoids to stick. A pressure regulator has helped some sequential setups fix this.
Just a waiting game now until Rob can get my new solenoid pack over to me...
Does anyone know what solenoids should be used for the smoothest possible BNR transition? Also would it be best to use a pressure regulator with these, or do really high end solenoids eliminate the problem? Or am I mistaken and a pressure reg. is th eonly fix

-Thanks
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:31 AM
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Either/Or...

I havnt tried a pressure regulator because it seems like a cheap temporary fix to me. What i did is get a custom built solenoid pack from Rob Bailey @ Mach Seven. They do take a while to make though. Iv been waiting for around 2 months

I suppose something like this would work, if connected to the pressure tank i think...http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Turbo...QQcmdZViewItem

But i dont know how reliable it would be...

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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 07:31 AM
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^^ It's worth the wait trust me. Rob's solenoids are really a wonderful thing. I haven't had the pleasure of using them YET but I did look up the specs on them from the manufacturers website and they are rated for some very high pressures IIRC.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:16 AM
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^^ It's worth the wait trust me. Rob's solenoids are really a wonderful thing. I haven't had the pleasure of using them YET but I did look up the specs on them from the manufacturers website and they are rated for some very high pressures IIRC.
I have no doubt about the pack its just i need my car working thats all...nearly 2 years, 3 engines, $30k and the solenoids are holding me back...along with a bust y pipe stud in the front turbo housing...
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Rixio_Scon
I have no doubt about the pack its just i need my car working thats all...nearly 2 years, 3 engines, $30k and the solenoids are holding me back...along with a bust y pipe stud in the front turbo housing...
Just drill and tap for a bigger bolt and drill out the Y pipe for the bigger bolt to go through. Just make sure to tape off the inlet and outlets of the turbo. and you should be good.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 03:31 PM
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is there a 280lph fuel pump that will be a direct replacement for the fd?
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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supra or walbro fuel pump is what most people use here.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:08 PM
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Or you can get the Apex pump which out flows the above mentioned for double the price though...
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TRISPEEDFD3S
Yes, they're bored out 850s to 1200s. For some reason they are less likely to stick. I guess since they flow a tiny bit less than the 1300s. I wonder how many people have had their 1300s stick compared to those running them fine without any problems whatsoever....

Who's producing quality 850's bored out to 1200's these days ?

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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 04:55 PM
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I'm confused as to why people spend so many thousands of dollars on turbos and rebuilds and other things and not drop and extra few hundred for a rail and real injectors not bored out ones.

I don't know the specs on the supra pump but the walbro doesn't flow enough to keep up with my 750/1000 injector setup @ full boost. I have to go the way of the Bosch 044 so I would stray away from the walbro for those HP levels
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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Does anyone know if a Mallory fuel pump will work? Its what I already have and would be nice to use it further. 70 GPH at 6psi. Can be set for 12 psi. I dont know the statistics for like a 850/1300cc but this sounds low to me.
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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Supra TT pump is superior to the Walbro, but ppl opt for the Walbro cuz it's cheaper. Not a place I'd skimp on money...

On that note, TRISPEEDFD3S, have you ever seen a chart/graph/head-to-head comparison of the Apexi to other pumps? Or even better, I'd love to see a graph showing all the major pumps available (Walbro, Supra II, Apexi, Bosch, etc).
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Old Dec 11, 2007 | 06:18 PM
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turboimport has the denso 280lph

you think thats good for the 850-1600 cc injectors?
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Old Dec 12, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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Do you guys have a dyno sheet with a normal SAE correction factor?
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