Trouble getting the car started after rebuild
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- Oil drain line has no kink, I don't know which size it is though...
- Oil catch can received, but not installed yet.
- By restrictor, do you mean that there is a tiny hole in the flange for the oil to go through? If so, yes!
- Unkown feed line size...
- I cannot tell the oil pressure but I feel like it was OK.
Quite possible the turbo bearings took some damage when you had your first engine with oil pressure problems. But, I'd get some more easy miles on the car to make sure you get everything to seat and burn off. You probably have a LOT of oil and residual crap in the exhaust from all the work.
I'm happy the gasket fixed that leak, still mystified that it would have been that much of a leak, though!
So what is your idle doing now?
Dale
I'm happy the gasket fixed that leak, still mystified that it would have been that much of a leak, though!
So what is your idle doing now?
Dale
RIght now I'm waiting for the turbo oil seal.
Last edited by MuRCieLaGo; Jul 5, 2020 at 03:16 PM.
Is your PCV valve installed properly? Sounds like you might have pressure building up in your crankcase. Your symptoms point to that. See if that valve is installed correctly and in working order.
Is the return gravity fed on a 3rd Gen? Dale?
Is the return gravity fed on a 3rd Gen? Dale?
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PCV valve has been removed, I simply put a blank hose on the top oil filler neck nipple, and left the bottom nipple open in the air. Temporary setup before I install the oil catch can.
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You have to have a PCV valve between the upper intake manifold and the oil neck if that hose is attached. If you have a straight hose, that's a problem.
Stock, you have the PCV from the left-pointing oil nipple to the UIM and a hose going from the down-pointing nipple to the primary turbo inlet, which is just filtered atmospheric pressure air. 95 Mazda removed the PCV and capped those 2 nipples, it's not really necessary.
For testing you may want to cap the UIM nipple and have both oil neck nipples open to atmosphere and go for a drive. It may take a little to burn off residual oil. If you still have smoking, it could be the turbos.
Since you ran the turbos dry most likely on the old engine that's a very good possibility that they are not happy. Turbo bearings get eaten up FAST with no oil.
Dale
Stock, you have the PCV from the left-pointing oil nipple to the UIM and a hose going from the down-pointing nipple to the primary turbo inlet, which is just filtered atmospheric pressure air. 95 Mazda removed the PCV and capped those 2 nipples, it's not really necessary.
For testing you may want to cap the UIM nipple and have both oil neck nipples open to atmosphere and go for a drive. It may take a little to burn off residual oil. If you still have smoking, it could be the turbos.
Since you ran the turbos dry most likely on the old engine that's a very good possibility that they are not happy. Turbo bearings get eaten up FAST with no oil.
Dale
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You have to have a PCV valve between the upper intake manifold and the oil neck if that hose is attached. If you have a straight hose, that's a problem.
Stock, you have the PCV from the left-pointing oil nipple to the UIM and a hose going from the down-pointing nipple to the primary turbo inlet, which is just filtered atmospheric pressure air. 95 Mazda removed the PCV and capped those 2 nipples, it's not really necessary.
For testing you may want to cap the UIM nipple and have both oil neck nipples open to atmosphere and go for a drive. It may take a little to burn off residual oil. If you still have smoking, it could be the turbos.
Since you ran the turbos dry most likely on the old engine that's a very good possibility that they are not happy. Turbo bearings get eaten up FAST with no oil.
Dale
Stock, you have the PCV from the left-pointing oil nipple to the UIM and a hose going from the down-pointing nipple to the primary turbo inlet, which is just filtered atmospheric pressure air. 95 Mazda removed the PCV and capped those 2 nipples, it's not really necessary.
For testing you may want to cap the UIM nipple and have both oil neck nipples open to atmosphere and go for a drive. It may take a little to burn off residual oil. If you still have smoking, it could be the turbos.
Since you ran the turbos dry most likely on the old engine that's a very good possibility that they are not happy. Turbo bearings get eaten up FAST with no oil.
Dale
I think your misunderstanding the function of the pcv valve. You just rebuilt your engine. You may have excessive blow by. Capping the filler neck will only make the problem worse.
As you boost your creating positive pressure in the crankcase. You could be creating so much that you indeed have to SUCK it out with the vacuum.
In that short lived timeframe, as you are boosting, your oil return from your turbo CANNOT FLOW because of the pressure in the crankcase, forcing it out of the turbo and into your exhaust. The oil will follow the path of least resistance.
I would reintroduce the pcv valve, which will take literally 2 minutes and see if it fixes your issue.
As you boost your creating positive pressure in the crankcase. You could be creating so much that you indeed have to SUCK it out with the vacuum.
In that short lived timeframe, as you are boosting, your oil return from your turbo CANNOT FLOW because of the pressure in the crankcase, forcing it out of the turbo and into your exhaust. The oil will follow the path of least resistance.
I would reintroduce the pcv valve, which will take literally 2 minutes and see if it fixes your issue.
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Alright,
So I installed the PCV valve, and no change whatsoever. It definitely seems to smoke as soon as the turbo starts spinning.
I took another short 1 mile ride yesterday, damn I want that car to be running this year.
I am still waiting on a seal to fix that turbo, to be continued!
So I installed the PCV valve, and no change whatsoever. It definitely seems to smoke as soon as the turbo starts spinning.
I took another short 1 mile ride yesterday, damn I want that car to be running this year.
I am still waiting on a seal to fix that turbo, to be continued!
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Update:
Turbo has to be changed, I bent the shaft while trying to change the seal. No big deal, it was from eBay, installed in 2010. Still lasted longer than I expected. It was a T04B 1.15 A/R hot side and 0.60 A/R cold side (suited my student budget). I bought another cheap turbo from eBay but some fitments are required (didn't come with V-band flange) so I decided that was enough with the cheap stuff.
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I'm not a student anymore, so I can afford a better turbo.
I only need the turbo itself, with the T4 flange that will fit my actual manifold.
I am looking for reliability and at least 300whp.
What do you guys recommend?
Note: The idea of buying another cheap turbo was to make sure that if my engine blows (fresh rebuild), it could only break a cheap turbo, not an expensive one. What do you think?
Turbo has to be changed, I bent the shaft while trying to change the seal. No big deal, it was from eBay, installed in 2010. Still lasted longer than I expected. It was a T04B 1.15 A/R hot side and 0.60 A/R cold side (suited my student budget). I bought another cheap turbo from eBay but some fitments are required (didn't come with V-band flange) so I decided that was enough with the cheap stuff.
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I'm not a student anymore, so I can afford a better turbo.
I only need the turbo itself, with the T4 flange that will fit my actual manifold.
I am looking for reliability and at least 300whp.
What do you guys recommend?
Note: The idea of buying another cheap turbo was to make sure that if my engine blows (fresh rebuild), it could only break a cheap turbo, not an expensive one. What do you think?
Last edited by MuRCieLaGo; Aug 15, 2020 at 05:29 PM.
Borg Warner SXE series. Cheap, reliable, just get one on the smaller size. Maybe the smallest S300 they make, will give you some leeway if you want to increase boost later on
There is also a used Aspec 500R for sale in the classified. Used to be one of the bees knees turbos a few years back. I think based on GT35series turbo if I remember correctly. May be a good option for you.
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And does it happen often that people blow their turbo when their engine blows?
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Really depends how you blow the engine. If apex seals shoot through it then the turbine blades can really take a hit. Or if you piling issues in the engine then the bearings of the turbo can be impacted that way.
Regarding the 500R, it looks like a decent deal. If you run it at 10-12 psi you won't be making more than 400. Your other supporting systems would need to be upgraded if they can handle the fueling needs.
Or if you are really set on 350 as a max, get a small SXE Borg Warner or the EFR 7670 if in your budget. There are a lot of other options that don't break the bank at that range and can usually be found used as people upgrade. Which is why I recommend snagging the 500r so you can turn it up if you eventually decide to.
Regarding the 500R, it looks like a decent deal. If you run it at 10-12 psi you won't be making more than 400. Your other supporting systems would need to be upgraded if they can handle the fueling needs.
Or if you are really set on 350 as a max, get a small SXE Borg Warner or the EFR 7670 if in your budget. There are a lot of other options that don't break the bank at that range and can usually be found used as people upgrade. Which is why I recommend snagging the 500r so you can turn it up if you eventually decide to.
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500R is basically a GT35R turbo with a larger T04R/Z sized compressor wheel..... 67mm inducer 84mm exducer from memory.
Great turbo, overkill for only 300 rwhp.
Great turbo, overkill for only 300 rwhp.
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Really depends how you blow the engine. If apex seals shoot through it then the turbine blades can really take a hit. Or if you piling issues in the engine then the bearings of the turbo can be impacted that way.
Regarding the 500R, it looks like a decent deal. If you run it at 10-12 psi you won't be making more than 400. Your other supporting systems would need to be upgraded if they can handle the fueling needs.
Or if you are really set on 350 as a max, get a small SXE Borg Warner or the EFR 7670 if in your budget. There are a lot of other options that don't break the bank at that range and can usually be found used as people upgrade. Which is why I recommend snagging the 500r so you can turn it up if you eventually decide to.
Regarding the 500R, it looks like a decent deal. If you run it at 10-12 psi you won't be making more than 400. Your other supporting systems would need to be upgraded if they can handle the fueling needs.
Or if you are really set on 350 as a max, get a small SXE Borg Warner or the EFR 7670 if in your budget. There are a lot of other options that don't break the bank at that range and can usually be found used as people upgrade. Which is why I recommend snagging the 500r so you can turn it up if you eventually decide to.
That is what I figured! So what else? I don't know much about BorgWarner series... I know GoodfellaFD3S is a forum superstar and I was hoping for an advice.
Just do some searching. Gt35 is fine, or go the next step smaller if you want.
If it were me I'd try out the S200sx-e by Borg Warner. Cheap compared to the EFR line, but you are going small enough to where it will spool fine anyways. There is an option for a T4 housing, and several A/R sizes available. I'd go for something between .8 and 1.0. Less than $1000 shipped brand new if you shop around.
If it were me I'd try out the S200sx-e by Borg Warner. Cheap compared to the EFR line, but you are going small enough to where it will spool fine anyways. There is an option for a T4 housing, and several A/R sizes available. I'd go for something between .8 and 1.0. Less than $1000 shipped brand new if you shop around.
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Just do some searching. Gt35 is fine, or go the next step smaller if you want.
If it were me I'd try out the S200sx-e by Borg Warner. Cheap compared to the EFR line, but you are going small enough to where it will spool fine anyways. There is an option for a T4 housing, and several A/R sizes available. I'd go for something between .8 and 1.0. Less than $1000 shipped brand new if you shop around.
If it were me I'd try out the S200sx-e by Borg Warner. Cheap compared to the EFR line, but you are going small enough to where it will spool fine anyways. There is an option for a T4 housing, and several A/R sizes available. I'd go for something between .8 and 1.0. Less than $1000 shipped brand new if you shop around.
Sorry guys, I had a lot of studies over the winter, had to put that project on standby.
Just a quick refresh: I'm actually shopping for a T4 turbo.
And as TwinCharged RX7 mentioned, I found out that the new S200SX 1.22 A/R is fairly cheap: $800 + shipping.
But I also found the new T04E 0.96 A/R by BNR: $1,000 + shipping. I know BNR is a pretty good brand when it comes to rotaries.
There's also a "cheap" CXRacing T76 1.15 A/R which looks very similar to the T04B I had before ($416 + shipping)...
I get lost very easily when searching for infos, shopping for turbos...
I would like to get something equal or more powerful than the T04B 1.15 A/R @ 13 psi that I was using on the car. As I already said, 300whp+ is a must.
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I am now convinced, I'm gonna go with Borgwarner.
However, lots of people are going with the S300SX-E series.
For what it's worth, this is what I'm planning to buy: S366SX-E 1.00 T4 Twin Scroll.
The S362SX-E is exactly $4.12 cheaper via Turblown (vendor on this forum).
What do you guys think?
However, lots of people are going with the S300SX-E series.
For what it's worth, this is what I'm planning to buy: S366SX-E 1.00 T4 Twin Scroll.
The S362SX-E is exactly $4.12 cheaper via Turblown (vendor on this forum).
What do you guys think?







