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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:20 AM
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Stock FD Standing Start Expectations

I've had my FD since nearly new (6,000 km's) - late 1993 and have never driven another. I still only have around 80,000 km's on it (around 50,000 miles).

I only learnt that I have a red line alarm the other day when I gave her some after clearing my first flooding experience.

I am curious whether my 7 is as good as it gets.

From a standing start the performance is sluggish for around 3 seconds until the revs build - I think I would have trouble beating anything off the lights without some pre-thought.

My idle is set a little high at around 900 rpm but if I wanted to come off at the lights quickly, I would bring her up to around 1500 and slip the clutch until around 2000 rpm - after this it is a rocket!

Are low rev standing starts and poor performance from standstill normal for the FD?

Would like to hear other comments.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:29 AM
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well between 1500-2000RPMs is where the stock primary turbo should be hitting full boost, so to see a huge gain in power at that point is normal. However before then, it should still be pretty quick. The car should do 0-60mph(0-100kph, IIRC) in around 5 seconds flat, which is pretty quick. You shouldn't be getting slapped off the line unless you're racing V8s or anything with considerably more power.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:33 AM
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well between 1500-2000RPMs is where the stock primary turbo should be hitting full boost, so to see a huge gain in power at that point is normal. However before then, it should still be pretty quick. The car should do 0-60mph(0-100kph, IIRC) in around 5 seconds flat, which is pretty quick. You shouldn't be getting slapped off the line unless you're racing V8s or anything with considerably more power.
mmm, if you were to drop the clutch and hit the accelerator at the same time would you expect wheel spin, or would you wind her up a little first?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by roland88
mmm, if you were to drop the clutch and hit the accelerator at the same time would you expect wheel spin, or would you wind her up a little first?
Well, I've never driven a completely stock FD, though my friends FD with a downpipe, cat-back and intake could roast the tires if you dumped the clutch and hit the accelerator at the same time. But like I said, I've never driven one that was stock.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:46 AM
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Well, I've never driven a completely stock FD, though my friends FD with a downpipe, cat-back and intake could roast the tires if you dumped the clutch and hit the accelerator at the same time. But like I said, I've never driven one that was stock.
I don't think I could could smoke the tires without revving up to 2000 and initially slipping the clutch. If I were to floor it, it would hesitate and slowly build up speed and then kick in. Maybe I need to hook up a boost guage and see whats going on.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 04:48 AM
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It's not quite like a carby, where, when you put your foot down you have an extra sqirt of juice, I am wondering in my head the mechanics of what happens in the FD from idle to WOT
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:04 AM
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I've driven in a bone stock FD, and on anything but new asphault you should get atleast wheel hop if you drop the clutch and floor it at the same time. Mildly modded as mine is i can break the tires loose with the clutch in barely moving and flooring it by going to WOT so i dont see why u shouldnt be able to
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:06 AM
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Mine can be a bit hesitant if I launch under 2k.

If you want to get off the line, hold rpm at 3-4k and let the clutch bring the car up to that speed. Otherwise you won't have the torque to get it moving as well. Obviously you will burn a clutch if you do this frequently on a stock clutch.

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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SLOASFK
well between 1500-2000RPMs is where the stock primary turbo should be hitting full boost, so to see a huge gain in power at that point is normal.
when mine was stock, i never noticed any hesitation from a stand still. it takes no time at all to get past 2k rpms. the only hesitation you should be experiencing is either from the double throttle or from the ecu reading that the car isnt running hot enough yet via water temps.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Mine can be a bit hesitant if I launch under 2k.

If you want to get off the line, hold rpm at 3-4k and let the clutch bring the car up to that speed. Otherwise you won't have the torque to get it moving as well. Obviously you will burn a clutch if you do this frequently on a stock clutch.

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how about if you just casually moved off in first, clutch fully out and then floored it?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 4CN A1R
when mine was stock, i never noticed any hesitation from a stand still. it takes no time at all to get past 2k rpms. the only hesitation you should be experiencing is either from the double throttle or from the ecu reading that the car isnt running hot enough yet via water temps.
it is something that is a bit hard to describe, since every car is different and we all learn to drive based on it's own nuiances. I think mine could be better. If you were just running around teh car park in first, then floored it - would it hesitate, would it build up some revs before taking off, or would it do a massive wheel scream?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Mine can be a bit hesitant if I launch under 2k.

If you want to get off the line, hold rpm at 3-4k and let the clutch bring the car up to that speed. Otherwise you won't have the torque to get it moving as well. Obviously you will burn a clutch if you do this frequently on a stock clutch.

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yes, that would do it!
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:33 AM
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I just noticed that the Double Throttle Control System has an input from the coolant sensor. I know mine is a lttle flakey (the guage jumps around occassionally) Maybe the Double Throttle Control solenoid is not getting the correct signals?????
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by roland88
I just noticed that the Double Throttle Control System has an input from the coolant sensor. I know mine is a lttle flakey (the guage jumps around occassionally) Maybe the Double Throttle Control solenoid is not getting the correct signals?????
I have a stock car and I think what you are describing is normal. Basically when you accelerate normally to say 5mph then fully engage the clutch, then floor it. You will not spin the tires this way. It will be slow up until 2000rpm then you will get instant acceleration but no wheel spin.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HEVNSNT
I have a stock car and I think what you are describing is normal. Basically when you accelerate normally to say 5mph then fully engage the clutch, then floor it. You will not spin the tires this way. It will be slow up until 2000rpm then you will get instant acceleration but no wheel spin.
Yes, I guess I am looking for things to fix when there is nothing to fix. Your reply is actually exactly what I wanted to hear. I don't really want it to spin tires or anything like that, just like to know that my FD is "normal". Thank you for your reply
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HEVNSNT
I have a stock car and I think what you are describing is normal. Basically when you accelerate normally to say 5mph then fully engage the clutch, then floor it. You will not spin the tires this way. It will be slow up until 2000rpm then you will get instant acceleration but no wheel spin.
i beg to differ...mine back end always kicks out. all i have is a downpipe
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Originally Posted by 4CN A1R
i beg to differ...mine back end always kicks out. all i have is a downpipe
same here
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 4CN A1R
i beg to differ...mine back end always kicks out. all i have is a downpipe
so, on a flat, you have it in first, you have the clutch out and no accelerator - so it is rolling on idle speed - and then you floor it - what happens?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RotorDream
same here
same question:

so, on a flat, you have it in first, you have the clutch out and no accelerator - so it is rolling on idle speed - and then you floor it - what happens?
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by roland88
same question:

so, on a flat, you have it in first, you have the clutch out and no accelerator - so it is rolling on idle speed - and then you floor it - what happens?
both rear tires break loose and the rear end kicks out
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I think your car sounds normal mate. All of us are always trying to figure out if out cars are normal, i know i am. Go get the car dynoed if your worried.

Over time, driving a car continuously, you get used to the power and it starts to feel like it needs more power, thats why people mod the car.

Get the car tuned with a little more grunt at the lower revs.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RotorDream
both rear tires break loose and the rear end kicks out
dito
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 09:26 AM
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Spinning tires at low rpm on a modded car is different than a stock car. Regardless of what car you have, an FD will not produce much power at low rpm. You certainly wouldn't try to race anyone at 2000 rpm!!

Tires also make a huge difference.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RotorDream
I've driven in a bone stock FD, and on anything but new asphault you should get atleast wheel hop if you drop the clutch and floor it at the same time. Mildly modded as mine is i can break the tires loose with the clutch in barely moving and flooring it by going to WOT so i dont see why u shouldnt be able to
Be VERY careful with wheel hop.

If you get it severely, you are in serious danger of breaking things: powerplant frame, differential, etc. Wheel hop is somewhat unpredictable - different road surfaces, different ambient temperatures, different tires, etc. will give different results. Sometime you'll get it, sometimes you won't. It only takes one severe occurrence to break something.
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Old Jan 9, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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As adam already stated, some of you might want to look at the age/condition/treadwear/stickiness of your tires.

Also, two words: lightweight flywheel.
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