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It isn't even the "modded" harleys. I sat behind a couple Cops on harleys the other day, and couldn't hear my stereo. It's totally a double standar with those things.
Originally Posted by Kento
Well, I hate that too, but that's a matter of selective enforcement on the part of the local law officials. If you're on their radar screen for whatever reason, you get targeted. Once those bikes are sold from the dealership floor, the owners can do any modifications they want (there's also the issue of Harley being allowed a lot of leeway by the EPA because they're an "American" company, but that's another story). There's no bi-annual smog check for motorcycles (yet...) because their respective numbers compared to cars on the road are so miniscule.
It's the reason that I stopped going to Daytona for the Bike Week races. You can't sleep wiith all the open-piped Harleys running around at all hours of the night.
It's the reason that I stopped going to Daytona for the Bike Week races. You can't sleep wiith all the open-piped Harleys running around at all hours of the night.
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Originally Posted by ArmitageGVR4
All good points, which is probably why the law in its current form is so broad in the first place. I don't know anything about any of these loopholes of which you speak, since I've never looked into importing a car. I guess to make it work the law would have to be changed such that only individuals and not corporations could import models from an approved list, not more than once a year for example. In order to complete the process some sort of waiver would have to be signed by the purchaser regarding liability, etc. And a special title could be issued, that when transfered would require the purchaser to sign the waiver. Of course this is getting real complicated real fast and only addresses a handful of the issues
Titles (and in some cases VINs) are issued (mainly) by states, and subject to state laws and provisions for the criteria under which they are issued, and regarding what information is associated/displayed with them. Even now there is not 50-state consistency for tracking speedometer readings and salvage/flood damage/rebuilding information on titles. Adding a "grey-market" indicator to all 50 state's titles and ensuring it is transferred correctly during interstate sales transactions is probably not a realistic proposal at this point in time.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
It isn't even the "modded" harleys. I sat behind a couple Cops on harleys the other day, and couldn't hear my stereo. It's totally a double standar with those things.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
To each his own, but I can't imagine what the motivation to import a Spirit R would be... unless it's purely to lock it away in a climate-controlled environment and roll it out to concours events.
There's nothing special on the car that you can't get and put right on your U.S. spec car fairly reasonably (except the seats)... in fact in most case you can do alot better.
For a car that wasn't made here in the first place, like a Skyline, or formerly the Elise, that's a different story... but what is the net gain with this car? You've got a mostly stock RX7.
There's nothing special on the car that you can't get and put right on your U.S. spec car fairly reasonably (except the seats)... in fact in most case you can do alot better.
For a car that wasn't made here in the first place, like a Skyline, or formerly the Elise, that's a different story... but what is the net gain with this car? You've got a mostly stock RX7.
Note: I'm not trying to hate because I LOVE the Spirit R just as much as anyone possibly can, but I don't see the reasoning behind importing one, especially when it can't even be made street legal.
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Originally Posted by ArmitageGVR4
If it's legal to drive a motorcycle (how do those hold up in a crash test) or legal to drive a classic car on the public streets, I don't see why it shouldn't be legal to drive a modern car on the streets that hasn't undergone US crash testing, provided that car isn't being sold to the mass market. I, being the driver of said car, should be able to assume full resonsibility for my own person. Who are they trying to protect exactly? Their own financial interests?
100% agreed on this one. Who is the government to say that I cant import and use a vehicle on the road, when it has a us counterpart with only minor differences on it. That crash testing is bull ****. If an accident were to occur, the only one facing the bad side would be the driver of the imported car, its a sports car not a tank. This government is getting to be more controlling than ever. They let cigarette companies make millions of cigarettes a year that are proven to kill and cause so many diseases and deformalities and deaths a year, and people buy it themselves knowing this. Yet, they won't let someone import and register a car from a foreign country because of "crash test" ratings.
Jail time? ******* please. Theres drug dealers and REAL criminals out there that are commiting crimes and terrorists killing innocent people, and these dumbfucks would hunt you down to throw you in jail for a CAR? What a waste of tax dollars. any politician that complains about the federal budgit needs to be slapped. Stop going after the useless **** and go for whats important.
It should be the owners responsibility as to what happens when he drives the car, its his own mortality he is messing with, and the car has no significant differences that would make it dangerous to other people on the road, no more than another car accident would. This government is becoming a very shitty government at that, from freedom to force.
Load of bull ****, they just want money. ******* government.
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Originally Posted by DamonB
^ Kento, I think the point he was trying to make is that most every Harley I ever hear going down the road is not merely loud, it's downright obtrusive. If ricers can get pulled over for fart cannons and teens can get tickets for loud stereos, how can literally EVERY Harley rider I hear on a daily basis not be ticketed every single time he's on the road? How can the things even get registered?
The emissions thing tends toward light trucks, etc and was just me soapboxing about how most laws address automobile pollution, where the big polluters are industry and trucks.
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In california your motorcyclye can be as loud as you want legally. They passed a law allowing it, to help with motorcycle car accidents. They say the amount of motorcycle death in cali had risen to high. And the louder your bike is the more likly cars will hear you.
One of the guys I ride with is highway patrol. Also just so you know the number one killer of all motorcycleists in america is cars(and trucks) making left hand turns.
One of the guys I ride with is highway patrol. Also just so you know the number one killer of all motorcycleists in america is cars(and trucks) making left hand turns.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
It isn't even the "modded" harleys. I sat behind a couple Cops on harleys the other day, and couldn't hear my stereo. It's totally a double standar with those things.
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Yes, my point precisely. I live in a Harley hotbed, and as much as I think they're great machines, they are just SO DAMNED LOUD. While this does not apply to all motorcycles , but there are an overwhelming number of them rolling out of the factories that blare exhaust noise. As a child, I remember being woken up in the middle of the night by bikes blasting up and down the road outside my window.
Originally Posted by dgeesaman
The emissions thing tends toward light trucks, etc and was just me soapboxing about how most laws address automobile pollution, where the big polluters are industry and trucks.
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Originally Posted by rx7what
In california your motorcyclye can be as loud as you want legally. They passed a law allowing it, to help with motorcycle car accidents. They say the amount of motorcycle death in cali had risen to high.
Originally Posted by rx7what
And the louder your bike is the more likly cars will hear you.
EDIT: Sorry everyone, guess we're getting a bit off-topic here...
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Originally Posted by rx7what
. And the louder your bike is the more likly cars will hear you.
If noise mattered cars would never be struck by trains. It's even terribly obvious to the cars exactly where a train may pass, and yet you'd be surprised how often trains strike cars.
Heck, we could prevent accidents by mandating that every automobile must have the horn blaring anytime it's in gear
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Originally Posted by Kento
Sorry that some boneheads made life tough for you as child. As far as "rolling out of the factory blaring exhaust noise", that label doesn't apply to any machines other than Harley. Even the metric (Japanese) cruisers are far quieter. Listen to any stock-exhaust-equipped bike other than a Harley and you'll see what I mean. It's one of the reasons why the exhaust aftermarket is so strong.
However, yes it's the Harleys out there making the noise. There are too many; I'm just 15min from a major Harley assembly plant.
My point is that our vehicle laws make no sense, and trying to read into the logic is silly.
And that's what I was referring to with regards to a powerful political lobby. The trucking industry is very influential, which is why they are just barely getting started with emissions regs for heavy trucks. And big industry? Yeah right.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
It isn't even the "modded" harleys. I sat behind a couple Cops on harleys the other day, and couldn't hear my stereo. It's totally a double standar with those things.
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so what ever happened with this guys Spirit R?
I live in orlando and have heard a lot about this company, if you call him up and talk to him he will invite you to come check out a car he has there, when you show up, its not actualy "there" but its "on the way" and you can put a deposite down on it and he will cut you a deal on the price.....SURE.
I have seen some of the cars he gets in are damaged/crashed and he has them repaired before the customer sees them.
I have also seen him giving JOY rides in cars that he flat out say "this car was bought by my customer and ships to him in 2 weeks" Then he leaves the parking lot with a full clutch dump or comes sliding into a parking spot with the ebrake. He BEATS on the cars once they are sold, up untill the point they are sold they are pretty well taken care of.
This is the first ive heard of him sending a car that shows up with parts missing, but I have heard several people that have gotten cars from him that look great in pictures, but when they show up they car is in B condition, with scraches, small dings/dents, nicks/rips in the seats, carpets...ect.
Also several of the people that bought "Evo 7's" from him that were "JDM" Showed up as LHD models......he says he got them from Germany....but all it really was is a used (sometimes crashed/rebuilt) Evo 8's with the evo 7's bumpers and lights....
The guy is a straight up scamer and lies to get whatever money he can.
I wouldnt be suprised if he filed for bankrupcy just to protect the many cars he has as well as his other belongings.
I live in orlando and have heard a lot about this company, if you call him up and talk to him he will invite you to come check out a car he has there, when you show up, its not actualy "there" but its "on the way" and you can put a deposite down on it and he will cut you a deal on the price.....SURE.
I have seen some of the cars he gets in are damaged/crashed and he has them repaired before the customer sees them.
I have also seen him giving JOY rides in cars that he flat out say "this car was bought by my customer and ships to him in 2 weeks" Then he leaves the parking lot with a full clutch dump or comes sliding into a parking spot with the ebrake. He BEATS on the cars once they are sold, up untill the point they are sold they are pretty well taken care of.
This is the first ive heard of him sending a car that shows up with parts missing, but I have heard several people that have gotten cars from him that look great in pictures, but when they show up they car is in B condition, with scraches, small dings/dents, nicks/rips in the seats, carpets...ect.
Also several of the people that bought "Evo 7's" from him that were "JDM" Showed up as LHD models......he says he got them from Germany....but all it really was is a used (sometimes crashed/rebuilt) Evo 8's with the evo 7's bumpers and lights....
The guy is a straight up scamer and lies to get whatever money he can.
I wouldnt be suprised if he filed for bankrupcy just to protect the many cars he has as well as his other belongings.
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Originally Posted by rx7what
Ramy
which models can be brought in legally. IIRC the R32 and R33 can, but not the R34. For some reason they have been revoked. Which is weird as motrex crashed them and every thing. Also what is the price range on those these day I looked into them 3 or 4 years ago but havent sence
which models can be brought in legally. IIRC the R32 and R33 can, but not the R34. For some reason they have been revoked. Which is weird as motrex crashed them and every thing. Also what is the price range on those these day I looked into them 3 or 4 years ago but havent sence
Originally Posted by oorx7
Alright you win
But seriously, when are you coming back to chicago?
But seriously, when are you coming back to chicago?
Originally Posted by herblenny
When did you start bringing in Skylines?? Geez Ramy! You are now all out importer
~Ramy
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