Simplified Sequential OR Full Non-seq...?
10-06-04, 11:29 PM
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Simplified Sequential OR Full Non-seq...?
Well, My buddy and I are rebuilding my engine. Well actually, he'll be doing that part It will be ported, by him as well. Twins are new, injectors are cleand, etc. I can't decide weather to go Full non-sequential or Simplified Sequential.
Problem with Full Non-Sequential is The lag and the Loudness. It will be too loud with open exhaust and big port, and i'm not a big fan of it.
Simplified Sequential, only problem i see is putting that stuff back together
and I don't know how will the transition be with Heavy Port.
What do you guys think? IF I went non-seq with Big port and open exhaust, at what RPM would i have 14psi?
Thanks a lot.
Problem with Full Non-Sequential is The lag and the Loudness. It will be too loud with open exhaust and big port, and i'm not a big fan of it.
Simplified Sequential, only problem i see is putting that stuff back together
and I don't know how will the transition be with Heavy Port.What do you guys think? IF I went non-seq with Big port and open exhaust, at what RPM would i have 14psi?
Thanks a lot.
10-07-04, 12:04 AM
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The Laser Man
I have a full non-seq and intake, downpipe, Racing Beat Cat back.... Idling is pretty loud for my taste... like a muscle car idle.... I really don't like it that much.... but it sounds good at higher RPM's... 
Anyways.... you will get 14 pounds of boost at around 3500 rpms.
At least thats what mine does.... and after that...hold on to your seats!!~~~
Anyways.... you will get 14 pounds of boost at around 3500 rpms.At least thats what mine does.... and after that...hold on to your seats!!~~~
10-07-04, 10:01 AM
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Do not go non seq. What are you worried about with simplified sequential? It's great, just about 26ish hoses and easy to setup. You wont get 14psi by 3500 trust me
I wouldn't let your friend rebuild your engine though and especially port it...that's the part you don't want to go cheap on its kinda important.
oh and what happened to your engine before? if you broke an apex seal your new turbos may not be so new any more
I wouldn't let your friend rebuild your engine though and especially port it...that's the part you don't want to go cheap on its kinda important.
oh and what happened to your engine before? if you broke an apex seal your new turbos may not be so new any more
10-07-04, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BoOsTin FD
Simplified Sequential, only problem i see is putting that stuff back together and I don't know how will the transition be with Heavy Port.
and I don't know how will the transition be with Heavy Port.
Originally Posted by akiratdk
you will get 14 pounds of boost at around 3500 rpms.
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10-07-04, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by particleeffect
since i'm going to have to bite the simplification bullet soon, i need a block off plate kit to do it right? and do i need to order gaskets too?
10-07-04, 03:31 PM
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FULL NON-SEQUENTIAL
385 RWHP (Mustang Dyno) 1.05 Bar (15.2 psi) peak from PFC
11.83 @ 116 1.03 Bar (14.9 psi) peak from PFC
I'm not missing the sequentials at all!!
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11.83 @ 116 1.03 Bar (14.9 psi) peak from PFC
I'm not missing the sequentials at all!!
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10-07-04, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotarded
FULL NON-SEQUENTIAL
385 RWHP (Mustang Dyno) 1.05 Bar (15.2 psi) peak from PFC
11.83 @ 116 1.03 Bar (14.9 psi) peak form PFC
I'm not missing the sequentials at all!!
385 RWHP (Mustang Dyno) 1.05 Bar (15.2 psi) peak from PFC
11.83 @ 116 1.03 Bar (14.9 psi) peak form PFC
I'm not missing the sequentials at all!!
10-07-04, 03:46 PM
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I ran stock seq, then simplified seq, then finally non seq. I liked the simplified pretty well, if you REALLY want do stay seq go that route. Personally if it was me I'd do what I already did and go non seq.
The non seq is going to start making more power at about 3500rpms if its FULL NON SEQ. Even if your boost isnt all the way up it doesnt matter, cause boost for boost the non seq will make more power up to about 5Krpms because its running 2 turbos not 1 like seq is. If you keep everything the same non seq should start making more power at 3500rpms.
Pressure isnt everything, the efficiency of the airflow is what matters and its definatly better when your running 2 turbos instead of one.
Side benifit is this...imagine how easy it will be to leave all that **** laying in the garage and only use 2-3 vacume lines. When you look under the uim all you'll see is fuel rails and the top of the engine.....sounds good to be, I love it.
Stephen
The non seq is going to start making more power at about 3500rpms if its FULL NON SEQ. Even if your boost isnt all the way up it doesnt matter, cause boost for boost the non seq will make more power up to about 5Krpms because its running 2 turbos not 1 like seq is. If you keep everything the same non seq should start making more power at 3500rpms.
Pressure isnt everything, the efficiency of the airflow is what matters and its definatly better when your running 2 turbos instead of one.
Side benifit is this...imagine how easy it will be to leave all that **** laying in the garage and only use 2-3 vacume lines. When you look under the uim all you'll see is fuel rails and the top of the engine.....sounds good to be, I love it.
Stephen
10-07-04, 04:38 PM
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Non sequential does not cause you car to be any louder. Who is the retard that started that? Personally i think non sequential is the way to go if you have twins. Its the lack of shitty boost spikes and transition that is the real bonus, not the engine bay space you gain.
10-07-04, 04:43 PM
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never drove sequential.. my car was already coverted to non seq when i bought it.. the guy even told me that the car is slow and im like huh? then he said the magic happens after 4k and im like smiling thinking ok, what is wrong? its gonna blow huh?
so i took it out on the highway, short shifted 1st and 2nd, brought it to third and i waited for some free road, i punched it, it lagged since i was at 3000rpm, 4000rpm i can feel some magic, by 4500rpm, i was pissing in my pants holding on to the steering wheel.. LOL
and thats only 10psi, its at 8 right now but still, i dont think i ever want to experience to seq LOL
so i took it out on the highway, short shifted 1st and 2nd, brought it to third and i waited for some free road, i punched it, it lagged since i was at 3000rpm, 4000rpm i can feel some magic, by 4500rpm, i was pissing in my pants holding on to the steering wheel.. LOL
and thats only 10psi, its at 8 right now but still, i dont think i ever want to experience to seq LOL
10-07-04, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST
Non sequential does not cause you car to be any louder. Who is the retard that started that?
Several FDs with exhausts dyno'd on the same day I did. I even had a stock cat-back on my car at the time while I was waiting on my RB twin tip, and a Borla XR-1 in the midpipe. Everyone stood around and watched while the other FDs were on the dyno. When it was my turn, by the time I ended my first run, the only guy left in the service bay was the dyno operator, and he had ear muffs on. Everyone else quickly vacated with their hands over their ears.
So... are you calling me a retard?
10-07-04, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Want to bet? Non-sequential with full exhaust is much louder under 4,500 rpm than sequential is. Above, they're basically the same.
Several FDs with exhausts dyno'd on the same day I did. I even had a stock cat-back on my car at the time while I was waiting on my RB twin tip, and a Borla XR-1 in the midpipe. Everyone stood around and watched while the other FDs were on the dyno. When it was my turn, by the time I ended my first run, the only guy left in the service bay was the dyno operator, and he had ear muffs on. Everyone else quickly vacated with their hands over their ears.
So... are you calling me a retard?
Several FDs with exhausts dyno'd on the same day I did. I even had a stock cat-back on my car at the time while I was waiting on my RB twin tip, and a Borla XR-1 in the midpipe. Everyone stood around and watched while the other FDs were on the dyno. When it was my turn, by the time I ended my first run, the only guy left in the service bay was the dyno operator, and he had ear muffs on. Everyone else quickly vacated with their hands over their ears.
So... are you calling me a retard?
10-07-04, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Fd3BOOST
It looks though I am if you are arguing with me based on the fact that people there left the room while your car was on the dyno. Show me some decibe readings and I'll retract my comment other wise Derrrr...
10-07-04, 05:37 PM
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Well I'm about to go non-seq on my car tomorrow so how bout I pull some decible readings before and after
I'm just curious from a technical point how it's really louder or what exactly causes it to be louder. I mean in my mind it "might" be a little bit louder but not like "OMG thats so loud"
Anyway we shall see tomorrow...
I'm just curious from a technical point how it's really louder or what exactly causes it to be louder. I mean in my mind it "might" be a little bit louder but not like "OMG thats so loud"
Anyway we shall see tomorrow...
10-07-04, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Why bother? Everyone except you seems to know that non-sequential is louder below 4.5k. I was just trying to clue you in so that you didn't look so damn ignorant.
. I am wondering to whom I look ingnorant. The newbs who don't know any better or your presumptuous ***? Either way I'm not sweating it so please don't do me any favors old man. I would also like to ask, since you claim they are at the same noise level above 4500rpm, why would anyone need to leave the shop due to excesive sound during your dyno pull? Do you actually believe all that horseshit you spout off?
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10-07-04, 07:17 PM
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"Non sequential does not cause you car to be any louder. Who is the retard that started that?"
You're asking who's the retard that started that??? Or who is the retard,??? I think you've answered that question...any one whos done the switch will tell you that non seq is a whole hell of a lot louder than seq...its not even debatable.
You're asking who's the retard that started that??? Or who is the retard,??? I think you've answered that question...any one whos done the switch will tell you that non seq is a whole hell of a lot louder than seq...its not even debatable.
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10-07-04, 07:23 PM
#25
Rotary Freak
[QUOTE=Rotarded]FULL NON-SEQUENTIAL
385 RWHP (Mustang Dyno) 1.05 Bar (15.2 psi) peak from PFC
QUOTE]
Those are some nice numbers! I see 14.7-15.2 PSI by 3800+ RPM.
Street Port, poor mans' NS conversion,
Only 316 RWHP @14 PSI
385 RWHP (Mustang Dyno) 1.05 Bar (15.2 psi) peak from PFC
QUOTE]
Those are some nice numbers! I see 14.7-15.2 PSI by 3800+ RPM.
Street Port, poor mans' NS conversion,
Only 316 RWHP @14 PSI