To sell or not to sell?
11-29-07, 05:07 PM
#51
Ironic coming from you...
Vettes, S2ks and MX-5s are the only cars on the road under $25k that can handle anywhere close to as well as an FD.
S2ks are considerably quicker than 350Zs. Vettes are quicker than any of the other cars including the FD, and a nice C5 can be had for under $20k.
Zs are slow and handle like Mustangs. In the hands of a skilled driver, you can get the around a track, but your average joe is going to be spinning into the grass at the first corner. The Z will run forever? Hello, you're compairing it to a Vette, Miata and S2000. Three cars known for running lap after lap at the track, then driving you to work the next morning.
The Z is a low 14 second car stock, the FD is a mid 13 second car stock...hardly "similar acceleration".
The long of the short of it is, if it were my choice, I'd get the 350Z to be a daily driver for the FD, but I'd never consider the Z to be a replacement. It just can't do what the FD can, but there are some cars that can come close...
You'll have to forgive him. He's young and learning.
Vettes, S2ks and MX-5s are the only cars on the road under $25k that can handle anywhere close to as well as an FD.
S2ks are considerably quicker than 350Zs. Vettes are quicker than any of the other cars including the FD, and a nice C5 can be had for under $20k.
Zs are slow and handle like Mustangs. In the hands of a skilled driver, you can get the around a track, but your average joe is going to be spinning into the grass at the first corner. The Z will run forever? Hello, you're compairing it to a Vette, Miata and S2000. Three cars known for running lap after lap at the track, then driving you to work the next morning.
The Z is a low 14 second car stock, the FD is a mid 13 second car stock...hardly "similar acceleration".
The long of the short of it is, if it were my choice, I'd get the 350Z to be a daily driver for the FD, but I'd never consider the Z to be a replacement. It just can't do what the FD can, but there are some cars that can come close...
You'll have to forgive him. He's young and learning.
but to say that 350's are slugish or comparing them to a mustang is harsh. the 350z runs around a 13.8 stock, the fd runs the same. the s2k may handle well, but you cant let there 250hp fool you, there not fast. if you have never tracked an s2k, or a 350 how can you compare them? i looked up 1/4 and 0-60 times from a reputable source to make sure i was correct on this.
11-29-07, 05:11 PM
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I own both as well. The Z is a pretty fun car but I would never replaced my FD with it. Also like others have said the Z is so common its ridiculous. They have sold over 200,000 so far.
I would sell mine for $22k if your interested. Its a 03 track with <15k miles, leather and nav.
Also SLOASFK how do you figure a S2K is quicker than a 350Z?
I would sell mine for $22k if your interested. Its a 03 track with <15k miles, leather and nav.
Also SLOASFK how do you figure a S2K is quicker than a 350Z?
11-29-07, 05:40 PM
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I don't really have much real life experience to compare it to. When I bought my FD in 01 it was slower than stock. I started upgrading while I was fixing stuff so I never really got a baseline for the car.
On paper it appears a stock FD and stock Z would be a good race in a straight line. The z runs 13.7 stock and the FD should run 13.5. A race that close would come down to the drivers skill and condition of the cars.
Like I said before I also disagree with SLOASFK that the S2000 is quicker. I am sure around a race track the S2k could prove faster but not in a straight line.
On paper it appears a stock FD and stock Z would be a good race in a straight line. The z runs 13.7 stock and the FD should run 13.5. A race that close would come down to the drivers skill and condition of the cars.
Like I said before I also disagree with SLOASFK that the S2000 is quicker. I am sure around a race track the S2k could prove faster but not in a straight line.
11-29-07, 05:43 PM
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I own both as well. The Z is a pretty fun car but I would never replaced my FD with it. Also like others have said the Z is so common its ridiculous. They have sold over 200,000 so far.
I would sell mine for $22k if your interested. Its a 03 track with <15k miles, leather and nav.
Also SLOASFK how do you figure a S2K is quicker than a 350Z?
I would sell mine for $22k if your interested. Its a 03 track with <15k miles, leather and nav.
Also SLOASFK how do you figure a S2K is quicker than a 350Z?
The s2k is not quicker than the Z though. 1st and 2nd gear will prob be equal but when 3rd gear comes, the Z will pull away like its nothing.
On the track, ehh maybe but just cause the Z is heavier, doesnt mean it cant handle. I hate when people bring up weight like this is the 1950s, these cars may have weight but theres ALOT of engineering that goes into these cars to make them nimble. Stop acting like FD's and S2k's are the only cars that can handle around a dime.
11-29-07, 06:12 PM
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Considering the magazine times of the s2000 are 14.0 and the 350Z are 14.1, the s2k is as quick as or quicker than the Z.
I hate magazine times because we all know they are pretty off, but you get the picture. Personally, I know people who have run 13.7s in their AP1s but do not know any Z owners.
again, the cars I brought up are known for their handling abilities(like the FD), which is why I brought them up.
I hate magazine times because we all know they are pretty off, but you get the picture. Personally, I know people who have run 13.7s in their AP1s but do not know any Z owners.
again, the cars I brought up are known for their handling abilities(like the FD), which is why I brought them up.
11-29-07, 06:15 PM
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Alright so apparently the Z bandwagon is getting deeper into the BS pool...first we get they run low 14s....then its 13.8s...then mid 13s...well? anyone wanna shoot for the 12s stock? come on be brave!!!
And as for hating the vette and saying its overpriced?? You have no rhyme or reason for this uneducated decision...the "newer" ones as u put it are the greatest value supercar you can buy....performance and handling up to par with ferrari and lamborghini and at half the price!!!....yeah so ur right...they are SOO over priced for what you get lol
And as for hating the vette and saying its overpriced?? You have no rhyme or reason for this uneducated decision...the "newer" ones as u put it are the greatest value supercar you can buy....performance and handling up to par with ferrari and lamborghini and at half the price!!!....yeah so ur right...they are SOO over priced for what you get lol
11-29-07, 06:25 PM
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1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
5. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
6. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
7. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
8. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
9. 1.8T-----------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
10. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840
11-29-07, 06:35 PM
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A proper magazine-reported 1/4 mile time is done with a full tank of pump fuel, all stock accessories, standard tire pressure etc. I have seen many 'stock' 1/4 miles threads over the years and cars with race fuel, open exhausts, pulled seats, air intakes, airbags, spare tires, etc. still counts as stock to some people. These numbers are meaningless.
Some lunatic drivers have hit 12s on these so-called stock runs with FDs. Would you thus refer to an FD as a stock 12 second car?
Some lunatic drivers have hit 12s on these so-called stock runs with FDs. Would you thus refer to an FD as a stock 12 second car?
well they have changed the Z around quite a bit since it was released in 03. here are the top 10 bone stock Z drag times:
1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
5. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
6. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
7. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
8. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
9. 1.8T-----------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
10. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840
1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
5. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
6. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
7. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
8. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
9. 1.8T-----------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
10. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233840
11-29-07, 06:58 PM
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07 base 350z 14.0 @ 100 mph
07 base s2k 14.6 @ 102 mph
Like someone said, you cant go by magazines because each magazine is different. Some of them have alot of drivers and they use the best time out of the bunch to put in their magazine. They could have the god of drivers in their group. Some people have shitty drivers. Some people alter the car so its not really "stock" like off the showroom floor.
But from a general standpoint, the Z is quicker. Unless you're powershifting and revving the crap out of the engine, 9 out of 10 times the Z will have the edge because of brute power and torque. You can mess up and the Z's power will make up for it. With the S2K, you have to be ******* on point because the lack of power leaves no room for error.
07 base s2k 14.6 @ 102 mph
Like someone said, you cant go by magazines because each magazine is different. Some of them have alot of drivers and they use the best time out of the bunch to put in their magazine. They could have the god of drivers in their group. Some people have shitty drivers. Some people alter the car so its not really "stock" like off the showroom floor.
But from a general standpoint, the Z is quicker. Unless you're powershifting and revving the crap out of the engine, 9 out of 10 times the Z will have the edge because of brute power and torque. You can mess up and the Z's power will make up for it. With the S2K, you have to be ******* on point because the lack of power leaves no room for error.
11-29-07, 07:11 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html
motor trend says 13.7 for a 2004. that covers 4-10 on that list.
the 07 Z has a different motor that makes more power.
i am not saying those times are 100% legit but they are also not totally gutted cars with secret intakes like moconnor wants to believe.
motor trend says 13.7 for a 2004. that covers 4-10 on that list.
the 07 Z has a different motor that makes more power.
i am not saying those times are 100% legit but they are also not totally gutted cars with secret intakes like moconnor wants to believe.
11-30-07, 07:07 AM
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And as for hating the vette and saying its overpriced?? You have no rhyme or reason for this uneducated decision...the "newer" ones as u put it are the greatest value supercar you can buy....performance and handling up to par with ferrari and lamborghini and at half the price!!!....yeah so ur right...they are SOO over priced for what you get lol
and with comparing with ferrari and lamborghini: performance of the z06 is top knotch but the reason ferraris and lamborghinis are so expensive is because there usually all carbon fiber and your mostly paying for the name.
and 45k-80k for a new vette, is not cheap to me. you could buy a z and turbo, procharge, supercharge, or twin turbo(with all flow mods of cource) and get really close to the same power as the Z06 for a good bit less then 40k. plus i would be much more satisfied having a fast modified car then an extremely fast stock car. (this is how i feel, dont throw facts and figures at me saying i cant have an opinion. to me its not a debate to prove whos right or wrong, please understand)
11-30-07, 12:23 PM
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and with comparing with ferrari and lamborghini: performance of the z06 is top knotch but the reason ferraris and lamborghinis are so expensive is because there usually all carbon fiber and your mostly paying for the name.
4CN just doesn't like Vette, stop trying to convince him.
12-01-07, 10:26 AM
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well sorry 4CN i wasnt trying to convince you about the vette or say u cant have an opinion im just saying you cant dawg on the lord of american sports cars...its incredible if you ever get the opportunity to take a z06 around a track for a few laps you will love it i personal guarantee it....
but since we wanna talk about SVT Focus...screw it get the Saleen Focus lol
but since we wanna talk about SVT Focus...screw it get the Saleen Focus lol