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Old Nov 23, 2002 | 10:38 PM
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Safe to run a stock RX7 on 91 octane?

Hi everybody,

I'm getting close to trading my car for an RX7, but I was worried about the octane of gas I'll be putting in it. All that is available in my local area is 91 octane. Will that "hurt" the engine too much? or should I try to find a place closeby that has 92 or 93?

BTW I live in Northern California (Fairfield/Vacaville area) and I haven't seen anyplaces selling 93 octane for a while. The highest I've seen is 91, and that's the premium stuff.

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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 12:27 AM
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91 octane is fine. that's what all we "premium" users use in california. It used to be 92 octane a few years ago.

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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 12:36 AM
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91 octane is good for stock FDs. Of course a little higher is better but there's no way in hell you'd get 92 or 93 in CA. There's 100 octane race gas though, which you dont need
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 01:34 AM
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91 is perfectly fine. I have a modded FD with single turbo and I run 91 octane and it's more than safe
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 02:23 AM
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Damn, Australias Premium fuel is 98 octane.. Not sure about our regular.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by 1FooknTiteFD
91 is perfectly fine. I have a modded FD with single turbo and I run 91 octane and it's more than safe
Modded, you're OK as long as you're set up for it (i.e., watching your ignition timing). The FDs were originally designed with 93 octane minimum in mind. Stock should be fine, although I usually run 5 gal of Sunoco 104 unleaded in every tankful of gas with my slightly modded FD, and I can notice the difference in performance.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 03:09 AM
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I think in Australia they are on a different octane scale (RON) than here in the states, so it doesn't correspond.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 07:33 AM
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I've seen BP FD's running 1.2 kilos boost and 89 OCTANE GAS... Conservative timing and liberal amounts of fuel takes care of detonation.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 07:38 AM
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With 91 octane, I think you'll lose a little bit of power.Exhaust temps will also be higher with lower octane if you drive it hard. Perhaps you can add octane booster such as NOS or 108 etc
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 12:45 PM
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I use 91 and mines drivin fine, just take care of everything else.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 01:29 PM
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cool!

thanks for all the input guys, I just wanted to make sure that when I got the RX7 that I wouldn't blow it up the first time I go to fill up =P.

thanks again
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 04:12 PM
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in Hong Kong, they only sell 98 octane gas.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 04:49 PM
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Awesome, I was wondering the same thing myself as there is only 91 octane here too. Thanks for the info
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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you can always try those octane booster, if you worry about 91 is too low.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 05:50 PM
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Maybe try some MMO (Marvel Mystery Oil) on every fill up. I believe it is 6oz. for like every 10 gallons?
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 06:43 PM
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MMO is just used as a premix, and it actually decreases octane. Off the counter octane boosters don't do crap. Just go mix in some race gas or mix in some pure xylene (117octane) or toulene (114 octane).

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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 07:39 PM
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With 91 octane, I think you'll lose a little bit of power.Exhaust temps will also be higher with lower octane if you drive it hard. Perhaps you can add octane booster such as NOS or 108 etc
Gasoline is gasoline is gasoline, except in Mexico, where it is part water. Trust me, I know.

Actually, you'll make more power on lower octane, as long as you don't pre-detonate. Not to mention you'll save tons of money.

Octane is only the rating of gasoline to resist "knock", pre-detonation, whatever you want to call it.

If your car runs on lower octane without "pinging", use it. The problem with our engine is that it is very difficult to audibly hear. Generally speaking, higher compression engines REQUIRE higher octane.

Your owner's manual specifies premium unleaded.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by RX7Elmo
MMO is just used as a premix, and it actually decreases octane. Off the counter octane boosters don't do crap. Just go mix in some race gas or mix in some pure xylene (117octane) or toulene (114 octane).

Danny
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 08:22 PM
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Actually, you'll make more power on lower octane, as long as you don't pre-detonate. Not to mention you'll save tons of money.

Octane is only the rating of gasoline to resist "knock", pre-detonation, whatever you want to call it.

The problem with our engine is that it is very difficult to audibly hear.
Not to belabor this subject, but a lower octane doesn't necessarily guarantee that you'll make more power than with a higher octane as long as you're not getting detonation. The misconception is that higher octane fuels burn "slower" because of the additives to achieve that octane rating, which use to be the case when tetraethyl lead was the additive for knock resistance. Newer unleaded fuels like Sunoco's GT104 racing fuel burn just as quick as lower octane fuel, but have various additives to resist knock while offering more power for the same amount of fuel.

If you're ever able to hear the knock of detonation with a turbocharged motor, it's already too late.
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Old Nov 24, 2002 | 09:41 PM
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Not to belabor this subject, but a lower octane doesn't necessarily guarantee that you'll make more power than with a higher octane as long as you're not getting detonation. The misconception is that higher octane fuels burn "slower" because of the additives to achieve that octane rating, which use to be the case when tetraethyl lead was the additive for knock resistance. Newer unleaded fuels like Sunoco's GT104 racing fuel burn just as quick as lower octane fuel, but have various additives to resist knock while offering more power for the same amount of fuel.

If you're ever able to hear the knock of detonation with a turbocharged motor, it's already too late.
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