Is this a RS or RB???
12-13-05, 07:55 AM
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Is this a RS or RB???
Hi guys, im new on the forum and my name is Buri. Im from Australia. Im purchasing a rx-7 in the next couple of days but i have doubts if its a RS or a RB. Im praying that it is a RS. Would you guys be able to tell me if it is a RS or RB if i attach a couple of pics??? Thank You!
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_1.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_2.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_3.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_4.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_1.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_2.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_3.jpg
http://www.granturismo.com.au/images/stock/265_4.jpg
12-13-05, 08:05 AM
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Hard to tell really, I think it's an RS. Look on your vehicle information sticker, it should say. I did a search on google, and the interior/exterior looks just like this guys RS. Not only that, but on his vehicle info sticker it says "RS" http://www.cardomain.com/ride/516613
Either way, that is one hell of a car. I envy you.
Either way, that is one hell of a car. I envy you.
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I hope your right man, by the way on that site you provided, did you see that vehicle info sticker. I hope something like that will be located inside the bonnet of the car so i can tell.
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wow... look at that dealership... all the evo's, gtr's, and of course, our 7's. I am seriously drooling right now. Why can't we have those kinds of cars (and their respective years, minus the evo of course which we do have) here in the States??? 
12-13-05, 08:25 AM
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I hope your right man, by the way on that site you provided, did you see that vehicle info sticker. I hope something like that will be located inside the bonnet of the car so i can tell.
Dude, get that yellow Bathurst R in the back!
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The bathurst R at the back is slightly modified. It only has pod air filters. It has a slightly higher mileage than the blue one im after. I've checked out that yellow bathurst type r and its on 19000 kms. But it's 5000 aus dollars more than the blue one. The one im after is only on 12000 kms but if it turns out to be RS, i would be delighted.
12-13-05, 09:26 AM
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two reasons why that isn't an RB
1. rear glass is tinted (or strongly appears to be - RB does not have tinted rear glass)
2. rear spoiler
Vehicle info should be clearly listed on a sticker on the drivers' side door well - you've just cut that area off in the photo
there is _no_ decent reason to choose a bathurst version over an R, RZ, or RS spec version. They are, despite the limited production run, and fancy name, - optioned-down budget models (albeit with a few odd goodies thrown in).
could be a version R also - which is nothing to worry about - easiest way to spot those two apart is to look at the suspension. If it's bilstein, it's RS.
1. rear glass is tinted (or strongly appears to be - RB does not have tinted rear glass)
2. rear spoiler
Vehicle info should be clearly listed on a sticker on the drivers' side door well - you've just cut that area off in the photo
there is _no_ decent reason to choose a bathurst version over an R, RZ, or RS spec version. They are, despite the limited production run, and fancy name, - optioned-down budget models (albeit with a few odd goodies thrown in).
could be a version R also - which is nothing to worry about - easiest way to spot those two apart is to look at the suspension. If it's bilstein, it's RS.
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the reason for the price difference is the year, I believe - the blue car has black gauges - means it's a V (99-00), the bathurst looks to be a 8/01 model (type r bathurst r - I'm judging that by the lack of spotties).
that particular bathurst version got the mazdaspeed 'carbon' e-brake, and shifter, and the mazdaspeed 'carbon' panels - which do look cool, but you can still get all six parts anyway - for less than US$1200
that particular bathurst version got the mazdaspeed 'carbon' e-brake, and shifter, and the mazdaspeed 'carbon' panels - which do look cool, but you can still get all six parts anyway - for less than US$1200
12-13-05, 10:24 AM
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the reason for the price difference is the year, I believe - the blue car has black gauges - means it's a V (99-00), the bathurst looks to be a 8/01 model (type r bathurst r - I'm judging that by the lack of spotties).
that particular bathurst version got the mazdaspeed 'carbon' e-brake, and shifter, and the mazdaspeed 'carbon' panels - which do look cool, but you can still get all six parts anyway - for less than US$1200
that particular bathurst version got the mazdaspeed 'carbon' e-brake, and shifter, and the mazdaspeed 'carbon' panels - which do look cool, but you can still get all six parts anyway - for less than US$1200
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12-13-05, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by oorx7
Don't forget that the Batherst R receaved bigger turbos than any other 3rd gen from the factory! Batherst R is on the left, 99's on the right.
12-13-05, 12:52 PM
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Those are factory stock turbos. Very rare as they were only sold on a Batherst R and only for the austrailian market.
Well I have never seen any actual dyno comparisons.
With turbos like that the potential for more power than "99 spec" turbos is there.
Well I have never seen any actual dyno comparisons.
With turbos like that the potential for more power than "99 spec" turbos is there.
12-13-05, 02:13 PM
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Regardless the higher mileage and higher price over the IBM FD, i'd sell my left nut on top of the money for the IBM for that Bathurst R... :drools:
Or maybe im just color biased on FD's since I am a CYM Owner hehe.
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Or maybe im just color biased on FD's since I am a CYM Owner hehe.
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12-13-05, 06:14 PM
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no, no, no
don't confuse the bathurst models with the australian SP
the bathurst models were 'bargain specials' in japan - with name/badging that was a commemoration of the rx7 success at australia's bathurst 12hr endurance races. The bathurst cars were in many variations, but generally the theme was the same - de-option the car, then add a few odd pieces to increase buyer interest (and, I'd assume, offset the 'bargain'/'cheap' image) - as examples, they would use the 16" rims, have no ac, no audio system, no spoiler (or an older version) and so on - but then they might add a nice steering wheel, cf panels, red leather interior, etc. An exception is the final versions - which were better specced than previous bathurst versions.
The australian SP is a special project by mazda australia - and was only ever sold in australia (but was largely based on the japanese 1020 project FD - which never reached the showrooms). The SP basically took the RZ idea (clubman racer) and took it to the next level - it was, in fact, a homolagation (sp?) special - to enable the race teams to get a better FD on the starting line. As for the turbos (revised seal versions) - I'm not sure whether they made it to the road car (the track car had 50 or so extra hp). There are a few SP owners about - so maybe one of them could answer that question.
don't confuse the bathurst models with the australian SP
the bathurst models were 'bargain specials' in japan - with name/badging that was a commemoration of the rx7 success at australia's bathurst 12hr endurance races. The bathurst cars were in many variations, but generally the theme was the same - de-option the car, then add a few odd pieces to increase buyer interest (and, I'd assume, offset the 'bargain'/'cheap' image) - as examples, they would use the 16" rims, have no ac, no audio system, no spoiler (or an older version) and so on - but then they might add a nice steering wheel, cf panels, red leather interior, etc. An exception is the final versions - which were better specced than previous bathurst versions.
The australian SP is a special project by mazda australia - and was only ever sold in australia (but was largely based on the japanese 1020 project FD - which never reached the showrooms). The SP basically took the RZ idea (clubman racer) and took it to the next level - it was, in fact, a homolagation (sp?) special - to enable the race teams to get a better FD on the starting line. As for the turbos (revised seal versions) - I'm not sure whether they made it to the road car (the track car had 50 or so extra hp). There are a few SP owners about - so maybe one of them could answer that question.
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Hey Buri, I am an Aussie too, and am importing (it will arrive this week) a yellow bathurst R, just like the one in the photo. I believe that there is a total of 3 in the country, but I could be wrong. Although I could have bought the RS for less (I know that they were originally more, but I understand that the yellow cars sell for more as they are rarer.) I like the yellow.
I have imported the vehicle myself through a guy named Andrew. He is the only guy on the east coast who compliances series 8s. I don't know what you are paying for that car, but he would import you something similar for about 40k australian registered. You might wanna have a chat to him about it before you proceed to see what he can do. The car I have bought has 24km on it, but it is $12,000 less than the asking price that they have on that yellow car in the yard. The downside is obvious (i havent seen the car in the metal, only photos). But if a person had 53k to spend on a car you could get a spirit model through Andrew for that kind of money.
I have imported the vehicle myself through a guy named Andrew. He is the only guy on the east coast who compliances series 8s. I don't know what you are paying for that car, but he would import you something similar for about 40k australian registered. You might wanna have a chat to him about it before you proceed to see what he can do. The car I have bought has 24km on it, but it is $12,000 less than the asking price that they have on that yellow car in the yard. The downside is obvious (i havent seen the car in the metal, only photos). But if a person had 53k to spend on a car you could get a spirit model through Andrew for that kind of money.
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Oh Buri, the car I have bought also has Zeal coilovers, sparco steering wheel, enkei rims, boost guage, carbon gt wing, and after market radiator. All originals were included in the price.
Andrew will select a car to your specification and ship it with no service fees, provided you have the car complianced by him (costs 5.5k).
Andrew will select a car to your specification and ship it with no service fees, provided you have the car complianced by him (costs 5.5k).
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okay, here is my .02 to add to this. FIrst of all the interior of the car your getting is different from the other pic of the mazda on cardomain. Two different seats. My 2001 RS seats are the same as the one on cardomain. Those seat in your picture resemble's the type R version, like what was in my 94 jspec type R version.Next.
The car in your pic HAS back seats(or appears to have) so it isn't a type R. Type R's after 1993 were not sold with back seats(rear dins),or cruise controls, or sunroofs my 1993 type R had back seats, but my 94 didn't. Next.It does have the front lip that the Type R comes with from factory,but this is also an option for the other models,so where stuck right there.
That leaves us with the RB. Mazda DID make a RB with an optional S package that provides all the features of the type R, including a variable large rear spoiler and front fog lamps..back seats included, the only difference is that the RB came with one oil cooler and 265ps rating for manuals and 255ps for automatics instead of the RZ/RS/R's 280.
BTW, it's not a RZ because the interior doesn't match, not red stitched and the seats are not red recaro's.Also the cluster gauges in the RZ's are white.
Here is where **** can get weird.........if the seats were changed ,to probably the type R's then it might be a RB or RS or it can definetly be a RS if I was wrong about the kind of seat that only comes in the RS and they have two different seats for the RS(which I think is unlikely. What if the Spoiler was added and the lip was added, then it might just be just a plain RB .RB Type S only came in standard.There more more manual RB's than automatic one, and more RB type S's in manual than plain RB manuals. So the odds are in favour of a RB Type S tham a plain RB.The only true two ways of knowing what model it is , is one : if it has one oil cooler or two. One being the RB or Two coolers makes it a type RS and the second way which is the most accurate way, is the information sticker on the drivers door jam.
So we are right back where we are........AT THE FRIGGING BEGINNING..
You see, pictures can tell you some things and leave out the real important thing. I think you should Get more pics with precise information. Half these companies think that they can tell you anything and you being the customer doesn't know ****. And once bought, it's yours, no matter what. You need more info, You don't want a 265ps RB with the add on's now do you.
I hope this imformation helps you as much as it did me.
It was great the release all this **** from my head. I should be able to sleep good tonight.LOL
Hope it works out to be what you want in the end..
Keith
The car in your pic HAS back seats(or appears to have) so it isn't a type R. Type R's after 1993 were not sold with back seats(rear dins),or cruise controls, or sunroofs my 1993 type R had back seats, but my 94 didn't. Next.It does have the front lip that the Type R comes with from factory,but this is also an option for the other models,so where stuck right there.
That leaves us with the RB. Mazda DID make a RB with an optional S package that provides all the features of the type R, including a variable large rear spoiler and front fog lamps..back seats included, the only difference is that the RB came with one oil cooler and 265ps rating for manuals and 255ps for automatics instead of the RZ/RS/R's 280.
BTW, it's not a RZ because the interior doesn't match, not red stitched and the seats are not red recaro's.Also the cluster gauges in the RZ's are white.
Here is where **** can get weird.........if the seats were changed ,to probably the type R's then it might be a RB or RS or it can definetly be a RS if I was wrong about the kind of seat that only comes in the RS and they have two different seats for the RS(which I think is unlikely. What if the Spoiler was added and the lip was added, then it might just be just a plain RB .RB Type S only came in standard.There more more manual RB's than automatic one, and more RB type S's in manual than plain RB manuals. So the odds are in favour of a RB Type S tham a plain RB.The only true two ways of knowing what model it is , is one : if it has one oil cooler or two. One being the RB or Two coolers makes it a type RS and the second way which is the most accurate way, is the information sticker on the drivers door jam.
So we are right back where we are........AT THE FRIGGING BEGINNING..
You see, pictures can tell you some things and leave out the real important thing. I think you should Get more pics with precise information. Half these companies think that they can tell you anything and you being the customer doesn't know ****. And once bought, it's yours, no matter what. You need more info, You don't want a 265ps RB with the add on's now do you.
I hope this imformation helps you as much as it did me.
It was great the release all this **** from my head. I should be able to sleep good tonight.LOL
Hope it works out to be what you want in the end..
Keith
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Originally Posted by oorx7
Those are factory stock turbos. Very rare as they were only sold on a Batherst R and only for the austrailian market.
Well I have never seen any actual dyno comparisons.
With turbos like that the potential for more power than "99 spec" turbos is there.
Well I have never seen any actual dyno comparisons.
With turbos like that the potential for more power than "99 spec" turbos is there.
12-13-05, 11:45 PM
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WOW i have just been "skooled" by DaiOni and Indian. so much crap and models to choose from.
Kinda makes it nice that we in Canada only had Base, tourings and R1's to choose from, not so complicated. But DAMN it would be nice to have any of those newer versions (RZ etc)!! All in all though my FD may be a 93, but i love her just the same
Kinda makes it nice that we in Canada only had Base, tourings and R1's to choose from, not so complicated. But DAMN it would be nice to have any of those newer versions (RZ etc)!! All in all though my FD may be a 93, but i love her just the same
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Originally Posted by Indian
okay, here is my .02 to add to this. FIrst of all the interior of the car your getting is different from the other pic of the mazda on cardomain. Two different seats. My 2001 RS seats are the same as the one on cardomain. Those seat in your picture resemble's the type R version, like what was in my 94 jspec type R version.Next.
The car in your pic HAS back seats(or appears to have) so it isn't a type R. Type R's after 1993 were not sold with back seats(rear dins),or cruise controls, or sunroofs my 1993 type R had back seats, but my 94 didn't. Next.It does have the front lip that the Type R comes with from factory,but this is also an option for the other models,so where stuck right there.
That leaves us with the RB. Mazda DID make a RB with an optional S package that provides all the features of the type R, including a variable large rear spoiler and front fog lamps..back seats included, the only difference is that the RB came with one oil cooler and 265ps rating for manuals and 255ps for automatics instead of the RZ/RS/R's 280.
BTW, it's not a RZ because the interior doesn't match, not red stitched and the seats are not red recaro's.Also the cluster gauges in the RZ's are white.
Here is where **** can get weird.........if the seats were changed ,to probably the type R's then it might be a RB or RS or it can definetly be a RS if I was wrong about the kind of seat that only comes in the RS and they have two different seats for the RS(which I think is unlikely. What if the Spoiler was added and the lip was added, then it might just be just a plain RB .RB Type S only came in standard.There more more manual RB's than automatic one, and more RB type S's in manual than plain RB manuals. So the odds are in favour of a RB Type S tham a plain RB.The only true two ways of knowing what model it is , is one : if it has one oil cooler or two. One being the RB or Two coolers makes it a type RS and the second way which is the most accurate way, is the information sticker on the drivers door jam.
So we are right back where we are........AT THE FRIGGING BEGINNING..
You see, pictures can tell you some things and leave out the real important thing. I think you should Get more pics with precise information. Half these companies think that they can tell you anything and you being the customer doesn't know ****. And once bought, it's yours, no matter what. You need more info, You don't want a 265ps RB with the add on's now do you.
I hope this imformation helps you as much as it did me.
It was great the release all this **** from my head. I should be able to sleep good tonight.LOL
Hope it works out to be what you want in the end..
Keith
The car in your pic HAS back seats(or appears to have) so it isn't a type R. Type R's after 1993 were not sold with back seats(rear dins),or cruise controls, or sunroofs my 1993 type R had back seats, but my 94 didn't. Next.It does have the front lip that the Type R comes with from factory,but this is also an option for the other models,so where stuck right there.
That leaves us with the RB. Mazda DID make a RB with an optional S package that provides all the features of the type R, including a variable large rear spoiler and front fog lamps..back seats included, the only difference is that the RB came with one oil cooler and 265ps rating for manuals and 255ps for automatics instead of the RZ/RS/R's 280.
BTW, it's not a RZ because the interior doesn't match, not red stitched and the seats are not red recaro's.Also the cluster gauges in the RZ's are white.
Here is where **** can get weird.........if the seats were changed ,to probably the type R's then it might be a RB or RS or it can definetly be a RS if I was wrong about the kind of seat that only comes in the RS and they have two different seats for the RS(which I think is unlikely. What if the Spoiler was added and the lip was added, then it might just be just a plain RB .RB Type S only came in standard.There more more manual RB's than automatic one, and more RB type S's in manual than plain RB manuals. So the odds are in favour of a RB Type S tham a plain RB.The only true two ways of knowing what model it is , is one : if it has one oil cooler or two. One being the RB or Two coolers makes it a type RS and the second way which is the most accurate way, is the information sticker on the drivers door jam.
So we are right back where we are........AT THE FRIGGING BEGINNING..
You see, pictures can tell you some things and leave out the real important thing. I think you should Get more pics with precise information. Half these companies think that they can tell you anything and you being the customer doesn't know ****. And once bought, it's yours, no matter what. You need more info, You don't want a 265ps RB with the add on's now do you.
I hope this imformation helps you as much as it did me.
It was great the release all this **** from my head. I should be able to sleep good tonight.LOL
Hope it works out to be what you want in the end..
Keith
Thanks a lot Keith, for being kind and full of information. Well first of all, the gallery is owned by my dad's best friend and they have known each other for more than 25 years. I am aware of the RB model with the sports kit but all RS's as you know are not 2 seaters. As i remember there were 2 or 3 seat options and i think the best way of finding out is the driver side's door jam and the oil coolers. Man you guys helped me out so much on this RS-RB difference thing, i was going nuts about me buying the car and ending up with a 265ps engine lol. Hopefully it will turn out as a RS.
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Hey Buri, I am an Aussie too, and am importing (it will arrive this week) a yellow bathurst R, just like the one in the photo. I believe that there is a total of 3 in the country, but I could be wrong. Although I could have bought the RS for less (I know that they were originally more, but I understand that the yellow cars sell for more as they are rarer.) I like the yellow.
I have imported the vehicle myself through a guy named Andrew. He is the only guy on the east coast who compliances series 8s. I don't know what you are paying for that car, but he would import you something similar for about 40k australian registered. You might wanna have a chat to him about it before you proceed to see what he can do. The car I have bought has 24km on it, but it is $12,000 less than the asking price that they have on that yellow car in the yard. The downside is obvious (i havent seen the car in the metal, only photos). But if a person had 53k to spend on a car you could get a spirit model through Andrew for that kind of money.
I have imported the vehicle myself through a guy named Andrew. He is the only guy on the east coast who compliances series 8s. I don't know what you are paying for that car, but he would import you something similar for about 40k australian registered. You might wanna have a chat to him about it before you proceed to see what he can do. The car I have bought has 24km on it, but it is $12,000 less than the asking price that they have on that yellow car in the yard. The downside is obvious (i havent seen the car in the metal, only photos). But if a person had 53k to spend on a car you could get a spirit model through Andrew for that kind of money.
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"1993 type R had back seats, but my 94 didn't"
with the version 2 (from august 93) they had two types of type R - the standard, and the RII (two seater). I have a 4-seater R from that era. Not sure how that panned out by the end of the decade - perhaps I have the info somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it up. To be honest, I didn't notice the rear seats.
the s-package did have a spoiler - but not that one, and not an adjustable one
with the version 2 (from august 93) they had two types of type R - the standard, and the RII (two seater). I have a 4-seater R from that era. Not sure how that panned out by the end of the decade - perhaps I have the info somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it up. To be honest, I didn't notice the rear seats.
the s-package did have a spoiler - but not that one, and not an adjustable one