rebuild cost?
03-06-11, 07:58 PM
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That's why your business is in the *******. Oh and you don't "hate" taking shots at me, you do it all time, and I make damn sure to steer as much business as possible away from you.
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03-06-11, 08:54 PM
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This is a small community and there is no need for "in fighting". However, you have had disagreements or arguments over the years with about every single valuable forum member or business/vendor. It gets old. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when that opinion is based on what someone has heard/read and not what they have seen or accomplished with their own hands its hard to give it credit.
Maybe I am a bad salesman, I just cant promote the "snake oil" fixes for these cars in the pursuit of a dollar. I just tell people what to realistically expect and what I have seen in my time over the years. I have customers daily driving FDs for years with well over 400whp on the stock tension bolts. Enzo's brother ran 9s on a stock block for Christ's sake and you are preaching studding your 350whp motor?
PM below of a PM I received from YZF while typing this post.
"You'e not some kind of personal mentor to new owners here, get a grip. I didn't make any recommendations in that thread aside from buying a new engine if there are damaged rotors/housings. Of course you don't like that recommendation because it takes away from your little backyard garage business. "
The new engine is a great recommendation, for those that have been asking for new housings builds from me over the last 6-8 months this is actually what I recommend. Guess we can agree on one thing.
Im not a personal mentor to all new owners, but myself and a handful of others do our damnedest to steer the new owners away from bad decisions due to all the ridiculous flawed info that is spewed on this forum. I was helping forum members fix issues I had experienced myself long before I was ever offering any rebuilds or other services on this website.
I guess this gives some of the members something interesting to read. Keep on giving your opinions and I will continue to offer help through my experience.
03-06-11, 09:05 PM
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What's the average life of a engine used in drag racing? What does that have to do with it? The fact is the stock tension bolts tend to produce erratic torque readings. Using high tensile strength studs is an added measure of insurance, I never claimed it was a cure-all to anything. Your comment was uncalled for, you can simply agree to disagree and leave it at that
03-06-11, 10:02 PM
#30
Putting your stabbing at each other aside, everyone has a right to their own opinion regardless of what it may be. Personally stock tension bolts suit me fine.
So whats the going cost of a brand new shortblock from Mazda? I thought they were in the 7-8k range before? Does it include a fully sealed block, oil pan and all? I know you can get RX-8 engines for cheap but not the REW?
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So whats the going cost of a brand new shortblock from Mazda? I thought they were in the 7-8k range before? Does it include a fully sealed block, oil pan and all? I know you can get RX-8 engines for cheap but not the REW?
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03-06-11, 10:13 PM
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^That was answered earlier in the thread, approx $4500, and it even comes with a sealed oil pan 
A screaming deal for what you get, I bought one back in 2009 and tore it down to give it a healthy streetport and some RA apex seals. So far so good---even at 500 rwhp day in, day out...... with my shitty oem tension bolts
A screaming deal for what you get, I bought one back in 2009 and tore it down to give it a healthy streetport and some RA apex seals. So far so good---even at 500 rwhp day in, day out...... with my shitty oem tension bolts
03-07-11, 06:40 AM
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S5+ OEM tension bolts are just fine. We have customers making 600+whp on them without any problems.
Engine rebuild cost http://www.banzai-racing.com/store/r...e_rebuild.html
Engine rebuild cost http://www.banzai-racing.com/store/r...e_rebuild.html
03-07-11, 07:45 AM
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I still build but not currently taking work. The pricing on my site is outdated unfortunately. That's what happens when a buddy builds your site. The only price that is grossly outdated is the new housing builds. I used to pay $440.00 a piece for new housings, now they are around $750.0 a piece.
If the price includes pull and install then that isn't bad at all. A typical pull, rebuild and re-install will easily run $3k by the time you replace damaged internals. That isn't considering new coolant lines/hoses, fuel lines, FPD and all the other stuff
That is due to be replaced. And that price of $3K is in line with the more affordable shops. Pretty much every part for these cars had risen in price due to the current value of the dollar to the yen.
Moving forward I am only taking customers who want to spend money todo things right. The car is 20 years old at this point and usually needs far more attention than customers anticipate.
If the price includes pull and install then that isn't bad at all. A typical pull, rebuild and re-install will easily run $3k by the time you replace damaged internals. That isn't considering new coolant lines/hoses, fuel lines, FPD and all the other stuff
That is due to be replaced. And that price of $3K is in line with the more affordable shops. Pretty much every part for these cars had risen in price due to the current value of the dollar to the yen.
Moving forward I am only taking customers who want to spend money todo things right. The car is 20 years old at this point and usually needs far more attention than customers anticipate.
Even with the new rotor housing price, call it 4500 shipped total, I think that's still a good price for a fresh build with a warranty that you don't need to send a core.
Just wondering. If the pricing is outdated, and you don't take new work, why advertise the site still? Unless you do it to generate customers for other builders.
03-07-11, 09:38 AM
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Even with the new rotor housing price, call it 4500 shipped total, I think that's still a good price for a fresh build with a warranty that you don't need to send a core.
Just wondering. If the pricing is outdated, and you don't take new work, why advertise the site still? Unless you do it to generate customers for other builders.
Just wondering. If the pricing is outdated, and you don't take new work, why advertise the site still? Unless you do it to generate customers for other builders.
I pass on work to IR, Banzai, RotaryResurrection, RotorSports, GorillaRE and other shops that I have seen do good work over the years. None of us are getting rich in the rotary game, if you look at all the shops I mentioned above they all started as enthusiasts before starting their shops. I offer something that no one else does besides Mazda, pre-built engines. I will continue to offer pre-built engines at my own pace, the days of constantly having a waiting list are over for a while.
03-07-11, 10:22 AM
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03-07-11, 11:04 AM
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The stock size studs (which do not required machining) such as Mazdatrix sell are simply added insurance, it's something I'm choosing to do - time will tell if it makes a difference in coolant seal life.
03-07-11, 11:45 AM
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https://www.rx7club.com/vendor-classifieds-276/engine-rebuild-pricing-936215/
i still haven't revised the price list to show the increased labor rate so the final figures are slightly higher.
some people opt for new rotor housings which drastically increase the cost to build an engine(by about $1500 or so), it really depends on the condition of the core engine being rebuilt. if the rotor housings are low mileage or have not been severely abused the S6 housings are usually in decent shape up to about 80k miles or so. good used housings usually cost about $150-175 each.
i have done a number of stock rebuilds for under $2500 which includes engine removal + reinstallation, but as i said it really depends on the condition of the engine.
i still haven't revised the price list to show the increased labor rate so the final figures are slightly higher.
some people opt for new rotor housings which drastically increase the cost to build an engine(by about $1500 or so), it really depends on the condition of the core engine being rebuilt. if the rotor housings are low mileage or have not been severely abused the S6 housings are usually in decent shape up to about 80k miles or so. good used housings usually cost about $150-175 each.
i have done a number of stock rebuilds for under $2500 which includes engine removal + reinstallation, but as i said it really depends on the condition of the engine.
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03-07-11, 09:39 PM
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They built an engine for me ( 4 port motor ) around the early 90`s. It is still going and eating V-8s` on a regular basis. I would use them again but they are kinda pricey. I believe in buy once, cry once. There are other alternative shops out there though that do good work. Look around & do a little homework on this one.
03-29-11, 08:04 AM
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hi, i need some clearance here. if i order a new engine from mazda, i pay 4500$ as stated before right? is the engine the same on every rx-7 fd model? i ask because my is a series 8 and i have a blown coolant seal. so i have to decide whether i want a rebuild with fully replaced vaccum lines for (4220-4920$ = 3000-3500€ here in germany, removal and reinstall included) or a new engine from mazda (4500$ = 3200€ + labor costs). Do you know if the prices vary in different countries? What do you think about a street port for a nearly stock car (only catback and downpipe)? Would i need a tune for my power fc or can i still run the stock map? are there any other disadvantages of a street port? i read that you gain up to 30hp and that a street port is the base for further engine tuning.
03-29-11, 08:26 AM
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The engines are the same, and I'd stick with stock ports in your application. How many miles are on your block? Depending on mileage, you can't go wrong with a brand new stock block 
03-29-11, 08:37 AM
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http://allmazda.net/parts/RX-7/AEFA0...801/N3A102200/ ... 7432€ for a shortblock, thats 10,5k $.
on my engine are 64 000 km only. im planing a bnr conversion within the next few years, thats why i ask for the street port.
on my engine are 64 000 km only. im planing a bnr conversion within the next few years, thats why i ask for the street port.
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