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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 08:21 PM
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Exclamation Really high knock with Toluene!

I added some Toluene to my car today (25% mix)

I got out to drive it and test it out, pulls harder ect... but it knocks upto 125!

I have the stock knock sensor, most of the time it reads 45-55.

It doesn't constanly knock higher than normal it just spikes like 1 or 2 times to 100-125 through the rev's.

The car runs alot smother and idles better. It's running better in every way!

But the knock is really high... Should I be worried? Should I delute it?
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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well you did delute it if you added 25% to your tank
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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no no no no.... i mean should i delute it more!, i am at 1/2 a tank right now.... should i fill up to make up for it?

or should i not be worried...
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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when does the knock occur? Under WOT or when you lift off and it coasts down?

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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 09:04 PM
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WOT. under boost of cousre
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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quick question, sorry its a little off topic.

I was talking to somone and refering to WOT as wide open throttle. But does it actually indeed me Wihout Thottle???



Thanks in advance, stopped using the term because I was confused so badly!!!

MY car is for sale for 11,000 btw, GREAT car =o
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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Toluene doesn't burn in the same ratio with air as gasoline does. So by putting 25% toluene in your tank, I'd guess you were really about 10% leaner overall compared to gas.

When you run toluene, you need to use MORE of it to burn up with the air.
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 09:31 PM
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Thanks wargasm!

that makes sense, but the thing is that im all ready running really rich (enough to cmopansate for the Toluene

but ill still richen it up a bit
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 10:08 PM
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You also want to be careful with your oiling in your engine... I've heard that running over 20% Toluene is bad because it washes oil off the inside of your engine. I'd add some premix if I were you. I dunno how true it is, but better safe than sorry right?
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 10:12 PM
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Damn, I wish my dad was here, I could ask him about this, being a chemist and car guy he would be real useful. I know he has mentioned burning the 55gal drum in the factory full of toluene in his Supra and my FD, but, thats as far as its gotten so far. If I talk to him soon I'll ask what he has to say about it. Good luck anyways, Josh
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Old Jul 30, 2004 | 10:32 PM
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time to put some oil in the gas tank, thanks guys!
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Old Jul 31, 2004 | 01:07 AM
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I would not run over a 10% mixture without retuning for toulene. I'm not a chemist so this is going to sound pretty rough, but here we go . In laymen's terms, toulene's perfect stoichmetric mix is something like 11 to 1. (gas is 14.5 to 1 I believe) so, even if you are running pig rich at 10.5 to 1 for gas, your pretty lean in terms of toulene.

I run one gallon of X or T in every tank full that I put in my Car. I also add 4oz of MMO to compensate for any lubrication inbalance. I have not had a problem in over 4 Thousand miles.
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