bajaman

Okay, there is this black '93 R1 for sale near me, I went and checked it out a little closer and......the damned thing has a sunroof! It is a glass top, with what appears to be a sliding sunscreen underneath. And it looks like it is powered, as the controls on the courtesy light look factory....what the f? The car has the R1 lip and dual oil coolers, is a 5 speed....the brake calipers are anodized black.....
A sunroof?

Weird.....

vudoodoodoo

I think the R1's and R2's never came w/ factory sunroof. The previous owner probably had a sunroof installed at a shop or something.

RX7FAN

I never looked close enough to tell but do to metal and glass sunroofs (factory) follow the contour of the stock roof. meaning it dips in the middle and buldges over the sides. I don't think an aftermarket would. it would just be flat or slightly rounded. There are people I know that did the spoilers and second cooler to a touring but not a lot put a sun/moon roof on their R1. Seats can also be swapped, which seats do you have and is there cruise control installed?

DomFD3S

Grab the VIN # and run a carfax. That's how I found the model of the car I was looking at.

Ward

i'm pretty sure the factory sunroof follows the stock contours of the roof,
just run the vin# to find out what model

bajaman

Good point! The car has leather seats, not suede. I will go and check it out again to see about the cruise control....this car is becoming more and more mysterious....there is no rear wing, no rear windshield wiper.
It is for sale at a bodyshop....I am wondering if it isn't a pieced together version of several cars, now......
I'll check the VIN. I am not interested in this car, but have a friend that wants an FD so I have sort of been looking around for him.......

Johnny

yes it follows the contours

funnyguy_11

Sounds like a modified base model.

turbojeff

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R1 and R2 models did not come with sunroofs, leather. Are you sure it isn't a 94? If it was a 94 I could see if being a PEP model that someone added the spoiler and oil coolers too.

These cars are getting old enough that there are plenty around that have been modified.

My 93 R1 has cruise, I added it. My friends 93 Touring has front and rear spoilers, R1 coolers, brace and seats, he added those parts.

Base models did come with leather as an option, I had a 93 Base w/tan leather, headliner was tan with no sunroof hole so it wasn't a conversion.

Jeff

lane_change

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Well the R1 will have the dual oil coolers, strut tower brace, suede seats, rear deck spoiler, front and rear chin spoilers, ride like ***, no sunroof, no rear wiper, no cruise control, no leather, no bose, and only comes in certain colors. Black being one of them. I would guess it as a Base model w/ sunroof and leather. Run the Vin like everyone else says. How many of the three buttons in the center console have use? My r1 has just one button with a use, the others are just plastic covers.

j9fd3s

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pm me the vin

mike

cruser

I also believe only the 94 & 95 models came with the glass sunroof. My 93 touring does not have the glass. I could be wrong though.

maxpesce

Glass sunroof panels were a 94 only OPTION
R-1/2s NEVER have Sunroof, Auto, or Cruise but could have the rear wiper & leather added as a dealer option, always have front airdam, rear wing, second oil cooler, and front strut bar.
Base/Touring models could have the airdam & wing (and wiper, cruise on base) added as dealer options. AC on Base (& R's?) could be Dealer installed - Factory installed std. on Tourings. Autos have a trans fluid cooler in the spot occupied by the R's 2nd engine oil cooler

Piston Pete

My carfax report didn't tell me which model the car was. What are you talking about? Here's the link.

https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...ghlight=carfax

maxpesce

The VIN does not contain any model data in and of itself. and so by it self can't tell you what option package/model the car is.

rynberg

If the sunroof appears factory it is a 94 base or PEG. If it has factory fog lights, leather, and cruise, it is most likely a 94 PEG.

Also if it's a tan interior, the door panels and storage compartments would be tan on a 93. For 94 and 95, even tan interiors had black door panels, storage compartments and headliner.

lane_change

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Based on the VIN there is no way it's a 94 so that's out of the question because the VIN number is JM1FD3319P0207582 which means that:
JM1-Mazda Manufacturer
FD-3rd Gen
33-coupe
1-US Model
9-must be a degit to be legit
P-93 Model
0-Built in Hiroshima, Japan
20-93 models
7582-Serial number for produced vehicles #7582
So it is still probably a Base model w/ bonus features.

RyanREX

It's a fake.

widebody2

Mazda made a few with some wierd mixed and matched options...I have the rx7 performance handbook and there is a pic of 93 with the options you listed. Its wierd that it has a glass roof though since they were on 94s.

bajaman

Okay, I went and looked at it again a while ago.....there is no cruise control. The glass sunroof looks very factory. It has the R1 lip and brake ducts. Dual oil coolers. Black leather interior. No rear spoiler, no evidence of it ever having one.....
Here is the VIN if anyone thinks they can decipher this mystery........

JM1FD3311P0207396

Quik 93 FD

My inside door panels are completely black and I have a 93' Tourning. Hmph..

Quik 93 FD

the R1's had black suade leather interior and had a red R1 strut tower brace. Probably just upgraded...

maxpesce

Sounds like it is either an upgraded base or a crash repair / theft recovery rebuilt from various parts without regard to accuratly reproducing any specific year/model fd.

turbojeff

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Widebody,

No flames intended but that RX7 Performance Handbook has so many freakin mistakes and typos I really wouldn't trust it for much. Unless someone from Mazda will provide documentation there aren't any wierd mix and match options 93s and I REALLY doubt that the '95 R2 listed in that book is an R model with a sunroof. To prove it I'd need to see the window sticker. Sunroofs ONLY came on Touring models in 93. It wasn't an option on the base. PEG/PEP models had sunroofs but again it isn't an option.

QuikFD,

93 Tourings were available with both black and tan leather. In 93 like someone else said almost everything on the inside was tan (if it was tan to begin with). If your interior is black then I'd understand if the door panels are black. If your interior is tan with black door panels then someone painted them or swapped them.

Max,

I've never heard of a dealer adding a rear wiper, of course it could be done but you'd need to drill a hole in the hatch for the wiper, replace the combo switch on the steering column, drill another hole for the rear washer nozzle, washer tank, pump and plumbing. Then you've got to buy the rear wiper motor and arm. Seems like a lot of $$ to spend for a rear wiper as a dealer option. Where did you get that info?

Dealer installed a/c is a myth. Ever really look at what it would take to install a/c on a FD at the dealer? The lines run all over the engine compartment and the dash would have to be removed to the the evaporator in. I know that there are some differences between the Touring and other model's a/c systems, but I really doubt that it was ever done at the dealer or "port". Also have you ever seen a FD that didn't have a/c (not counting the cars that have had it removed)?

It seems like there are a lot of people making incorrect statements here. I mean a lot = 50%+. Japanese cars aren't like American cars, you can't mix and match options, they either come with it or don't for the most part. Very few options available, many people call accesiories "options", but the are just parts for sale that can be fitted to all models. Kinda like the rear wing, many Tourings left the dealer with them but they weren't installed at the factory.

Jeff
Owned 8 FDs

rynberg

Is that the VIN# actually stamped on the firewall? (above upper intake manifold). This definitely sounds like a salvage done w/o regard to accuracy. I'd be very careful.