AWD-RWD racer

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okso i was pulling out of a drive way and it scraped the bottom of the car. right aftr it scraped i hear this wierd noise coming from the starter. i turn the car off and when i flip the key foward (not pushing in the clutch) the car starts. and now the car is reving on its own to 2k rpm. i tried hitting the starter but it does not stop, and it appears to be smoking pretty bad. i turned the car off and now it sits. and still does the same startup thing with no clutch pushed in and just turning the key it will start and not shut the starter off.

please help. thanks!

revhardallday

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how bad did you scrape it?

thats wired

scotty305

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Sounds like you might have damaged the starter, the starter relay, and/or the wiring to the starter relay: all of those things sit pretty low. You should disconnect the battery before inspecting anything; since there isn't a fuse between the battery and the starter you could really zap yourself good.

-s-

revhardallday

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the only way the car will start with out the clutch is if the clutch switch on the clutch pedal is stuck closed......

make sure that switch is not stuck in

AWD-RWD racer

iTrader: (5)

it did not scrape bad. i didnt even feel it, but i did hear it scrape. are you sure the only way the car can turn on wit out the clutch being pressed in is if the clutch switch is bad? the car wont even start now. guessin i fucked the starter.....

SLOASFK

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You might have pinched the wires and shorted the circuit to the starter. Have you tried putting the car in the air and removing the starter to have a look at the wires?

revhardallday

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i think thats its a coinsidance that the stater faild when you scrapped it.....

get the starter checked out.... did you check that clutch switch?

well you need ignition switch and the clutch switch to start the car...

AWD-RWD racer

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going outside now to mess around with the car. it turns out that it is the batttery that is dead why it wont start. but even when i turn the key foward, it tries to start on its own with out having the clutch in.....

AWD-RWD racer

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ok everything looks ok. but still when i turn the key foward (not even all the way foward) the starter kicks on all on its own. this **** is so depressing.

revhardallday

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did you check the clutch switch?

7passu

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yea i had a problem kinda like this.....and it was the clutch switch....need to check it out.....just reach down and unplug it and see if starts on its own then...if it does its something else...if not then there you go....

AWD-RWD racer

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it looks ok. i even unplugged it. that did not help either. one click foward with ignition and the starter starts going on its own.....im clueless

SLOASFK

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did you check the starter's wiring?

It might be time for you to get it towed to Petit or something.

AWD-RWD racer

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yeah i checked it out. it seems fine. no freid wires. the starter itself does smell burned. i may just need a new one.

rice-rocketeer

I had a starter fail like this on my civic. I thought my remote start had something to do with it but after asking a mechanic it turns out that its a common way for that type of starter to fail. The solenoid wouldn't disengage when it was supposed to and just fried itself out.

AWD-RWD racer

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ok, so i borrowed a local rx7's starter and put it in my car today. it still tries to start with 1 click of the key foward. so i know its not a bad starter. (although i ruined the other one by driving with it running.) but the car still starts itself with one click of the key. no clutch pushed in (i actually disconnected the clutch switch) im at a total loss. any suggestions?


recap. starter turns the car on after 1 click, and the starter keeps running. even when the car is still running.

ObliqueFD

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Sounds like a bad ignition switch. It could simply be loose. Something is keeping the circuit from opening after starting.

I would disconnect the S terminal and verify you are getting voltage on that wire only when the key is in the start position. The ignition switch will be bad if you place the key to "On" after "Start" and you still have voltage on the S terminal's wire.

Do you have a turbo timer?

AWD-RWD racer

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no i dont have a turbo timer. what is this s terminal you speak of? sorry ive owned the car for 2 years and im still a noob at some things

Busted7

Go to the manuel< starting system/charging system >and start checking. Note the starter cut relay. There is not many things that can bypass the clutch interlock switch but it is possible.

ObliqueFD

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Disconnect the wire in red and check the voltage. Also after you start it, you can try to disconnect the wire to disengage the starter. It is my understanding that starters have overrunning clutches to prevent damage. Maybe the FD starter isn't that advanced. Hope this helps.

AWD-RWD racer

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thanks ill try it in the morning. should i worried about getting shocked when i take that off the s terminal?

ObliqueFD

iTrader: (32)

Yes. Grab the wire by the insulation and do not touch the starter. It's always good practice to remove the battery when working on a car, but to test voltage you will need to keep it attached.

If you're really worried, disconnect the battery, pull the wire, connect the battery, then test the wire.

Busted7

If you pull the mentioned wire it will cut the switched power that engauges the starter but it will not tell you why it has power to it when it clearly shouldnt. You seem to have limited experience so if you want to drive your car before spring take it to someone to get it fixed before something else bad happens.

ObliqueFD

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If the wire has power when it shouldn't it's most likely the ignition switch. Or the clutch switch that he disabled was wired incorrectly.

johnnydngrs

i was thinking maybe the interlock switch since its not doing its job, or maybe ignition switch, but you said it started doing it after you scraped the starter, you probably scraped it pretty good and misaligned the way the starter bolts up, and now the starter teeth get stuck to the flywheel, maybe try adding some washers to back the starter up alittle bit and see what happens