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Shnitz,

If you're worried about the value of this model in the future, then why not consider other model? I personally think this rx7 has special 'thing' about it value. Market doesn't really see it value, but rx7 fans do. That's why some cars sold well, some don't. If the seller found a rx7 fan, he would get a good price...unlike selling it to the market (ex. used car lots).

Are you an RX 7 fan? If so, find yourself a 'good' one. Don't even bother looking into the ones you're refering (savage title and etc). You'll be happy....until things broke

ericwarren

i tend to think about what can you buy for a comparable amount of $$$.

i recently purchased my second 94 fd for 16.25k with 60k miles on it, silver, and only a few reliability mods (oh and new engine 30k). one could say that I paid a premium price...however...i was willing to pay this for a reason (ok a few reasons)
1) mint condition (and we all know the range on condition that can be seen when comparing fds)
2) silver/5spd/base/94 (color, transmission type and year do make a difference. 93 to 94 came with several improvements that, in my mind, justify a premium)
3) last but not least...what can you get for 16k that is as good looking, as unique, as fast, and that simply provides as much enjoyment. the list is quite short....but this is very subjective

these are rare cars that after 10+ years have timeless style and drop dead performance.
bottom line is you need to feel like you are satisfied with your purchase...i feel satisfied each and every day.

regards
eric

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the junk yard

Corbic

If your lucky. Dealer around here had a 1995 N/A with 120k miles, wanted 21k.

rx7what

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That is so crazy. I still see mk4 turbo supras sell for 17 to 18k all the time in northern california. But then again people bring skylines to street races out here too. I think people up here just throw their money away.

Lil Red 7

I did alot of searching for a supra before i bought my rx7 because i wanted one and i still do, but i had about 18 grand saved up, but needless to say i couldnt find one that wasnt a piece of crap for that price.
so i bought my fd for 16700 with 54k miles and a good bit of mods, and the interior is perfect, paint wasnt the best but i was gonna paint it anyway, that is geting done this month with my 99 front end.

I realized that i would have to have mid to high 20's to even 30k for a supra that i would be satisfied with driving and not have to do a ton of work right off the bat.

either way i am happy with my fd and glad i bought it, i cant wait for my new front end to come in so i can paint it, it will look sweet


Thomas

RX7UP

^^^You cant go by this.... Try typing in the milage of a 100 miles for a 93..... It says its worth $10,656....

A 93 fully loaded FD manuel with a 100 miles is priceless.......

www.Kbb.com is wrong.....

Corbic

Not really. You can't expect unreasonable things. I use NADA as my standard along with Edmunds now and then. KBB is worthless, they focus really only on California prices, and we all know Cali is a freaken forigen country when it comes to anything.

1993 RX-7 with 76,000 miles, according ot NADA should be 10,900-13,750. I consider those resonalbe numbers, and basicly what I would expect to pay. A mint car with 100 miles is worth 15,750 according to NADA also, by the way. Would you really want a car that sat for 12 years in someone garage? It would need a rebuild any ways seeing it would be all rotted out.

RX7UP

A mint 93 FD with 100 miles is worth $15,750 according to NADA?... Sorry but they are also wrong....

Think about this.... Any serious car collector with any car that has a 100 miles on it, that is 10+ years old, would not just be sitting in a garage... Take me for instance... I'm not that serious about car collecting, but during the winter months I put my car on jack stands and start it once a week...

Now if I were really serious about preserving a 100 mile 93 FD, things would be a lot more detailed and strick. Heated garage, removing the fluids or things to that nature..... This is why a you cant just put a price on a car like this or any low milage, 10+ year, rare car.... Even 20 grand for a car like this is a bargain!....... If NADA is wrong about this. Then they could be wrong about the other..........

jimlab

To only a handful of people, not the general public.

Unfortunately, personal views don't dictate used car values.

moconnor

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Only if you consider $25k or so priceless. There have been several extremely low mileage FDs on eBay in the last few years and nothing approached $30k.

The FD is not a collector's car and no amount of repeating the claim that it is will make it so.

Corbic

Exactly. It will be a collectors car in about another 15 years. When those who where 16-20 back in 93 are hitting middle age and want to relive their youth. Then we will just repeat the whole Muscle car trend, only with sports cars from the 90's.

NADA is correct. Sorry if you don't agree, but that is the market price, they simply don't give a crap that you took all that effort in keeping the car pristine. Just like I could care less that over the years you spent thousands on gas, oil, and replacement parts. These costs are not taken into acount.

importrx7

If i knew i'd buy one, i guess you could get a turbo auto with higher miles maybe for 16k, but a good running 6-speed turbo supra for 16k damn that would be nice i'd sell the FD in a heart beat LOL.

I agree one day it will be but at the moment its not. It is getting rarer slowly as time goes by though.

Mazda99Nikon

You guys seem to forget a couple of things. I believe collectors will want FDs in a matter of 5-10 years because:

1. Its classic body design. I think it is on the level of the E-type Jag. Give it time.

2. It has a rotary engine. How many cars have rotaries? Yeh, Mazda came out with the 8, but lets face it: the 94-95 FD is the pinacle of what Mazda built. It is fast and it is desirable. Good examples are also getting rare. It may not have the appeal of a Ferrari GTO, but in time, every car collection will have to have one, just to be complete.

FDNewbie

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I'm still trying to get over the $16K Supra. There are a few (read: more than one or two) TOTALED Supras (including one w/ an engine fire) that are selling for $14K and $16K on the Supra forum. Those cars are BANK, plain and simple. I've seen many a Supra sell in the $40K range, no prob. NADA value helps them too. I recently checked it out...I was gettin $30K + values for some of the Supras I looked up. I don't understand the discrepancy between a 95 Supra and a 95 RX7 having a $15K diff in value, but whatever.

In my book, I hope prices stay "high and outrageous" to keep the cars out of the hands of crazy and reckless teenagers, and to keep a sense of worth for an amazing car, hands down.

Corbic

Simple as that.

Oh, not good enough?
Here is the run down. The Supra is a 45-55k sports car, the RX-7 was a 35-45k sports car. Right there is a 10k difference. The Supra has superior build quality and for the most part a TT is a superior sports car. The supra is reknown for its relibility, solidarity and safety. The RX-7 is a tin-can death trap know for a problematic Rotray engine.

People understand the I6, you can take a Supra to a dealer or most import shops wiht out fear, however you can't do that same so lightly with the RX-7. The RX-7 also has double the insurance.

Basicly whatever you save upfront on the RX-7 is spent on parts, maintence, fuel and insruance. The Supra also gets better fuel mileage and has more usable space. The Supra is simply a more apealing sports car, safer, fast, better gas mileage, handels better in the snow, has a great exhause note, so forth.

Is it's price insane? You bet you ***, does it have justification for being more expensive then an RX-7? Sure does. Do I want one over an RX-7, @$#% No.

rynberg

There is so much bullshit and crap in the post above, I don't even know where to begin...

kuning

Damn you US FD owners.....(in a good way ). FD prices can be considered cheap up there. In Australia 92/93 spec market value is still somewhere in the AU$30,000+ mark. 30G is something you'll get for a trashed FD (engine or cometic wise). That would be about U$22,250.00, plus with few parts can be found for FD here...the price to put up with the FD is just hilarious...IMHO, if you are complaining about U$15K...not worth bickerking for.(note: IMHO)

rx7what

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Simple as that.

Oh, not good enough?
Here is the run down. The Supra is a 45-55k sports car, the RX-7 was a 35-45k sports car. Right there is a 10k difference. The Supra has superior build quality and for the most part a TT is a superior sports car. The supra is reknown for its relibility, solidarity and safety. The RX-7 is a tin-can death trap know for a problematic Rotray engine.

People understand the I6, you can take a Supra to a dealer or most import shops wiht out fear, however you can't do that same so lightly with the RX-7. The RX-7 also has double the insurance.

Basicly whatever you save upfront on the RX-7 is spent on parts, maintence, fuel and insruance. The Supra also gets better fuel mileage and has more usable space. The Supra is simply a more apealing sports car, safer, fast, better gas mileage, handels better in the snow, has a great exhause note, so forth.

Is it's price insane? You bet you ***, does it have justification for being more expensive then an RX-7? Sure does. Do I want one over an RX-7, @$#% No.[/QUOTE]



You forgot to say slower than an rx7. It is also the size of a tuna boat. Have you ever checked one out. They make my Z look small. And My Z is huge next to my FD. And The handling... Dont get me started. Like ryberg said there is just way too much to say. But you did make a good point. The only reason the supra is worth what it is, Is because of TFATF. After that every ricer in america wanted that car that was in the movie. And was faster than a ferrari!!!!

jbrx7tt

IMHO:

1) Supra's are big and ugly, don't really hold a candle to the design of the RX-7 (I am sure Supra owners differ in opinion)
2) KBB - Is just a guideline, an algorithm and just a way for dealers to justify sales prices. They miss a lot of important things and certainly don't take things like passion into the equation.
3) The RX-7 is rare, timeless and will always sell for more than any type of "blue book" value
4) Value is determined by the person who buys something - Anyone want a $200k stamp? To one person it is worth it, to another it worthless

A pristine RX-7 is worthless to a mother of three who needs to carry groceries, and would glady pay more for an SUV.

jimlab

...and he'd likely say the same thing about your post.

First, you obviously haven't read any of the magazine reviews where the MKIV Supra Turbo was on average 0.4 seconds quicker and 5 mph faster in the quarter mile than the FD.

Second, you're apparently a poor judge of size. Have you ever seen a tuna boat?

FD - 168.5" (length), 68.9" (width), 48.4" (height)
Supra - 177.8" (+9.3"), 71.3" (+2.4") , 49.8" (+1.4")
300ZX - 169.5" (+1"), 70.5" (+1.6"), 48.4" (+0")
Tuna longliner - 176.6' (+162.6'), 32' (+26.3'), 14.8' (+10.8')

Third, they also equalled or exceeded the FD in braking, slalom, and skid pad performance, so I guess you're a poor judge of handling as well. 5$ says you've never driven one, $10 says that if you have, you're not a skilled enough to have a worthwhile opinion of the comparison.

Was there anything else you wanted to add?

js3324

Since someone was bringing up the Supra - the other day I saw a 98TT with like 20,000 miles go into the 60,000s...
ouch, it was unmodified and in great shape but theres no reason 7 years later should it be going over 10k or more on sticker.
The FD's actually have amazing price for performance, and thats why I am shopping for one. Where else can you get a legend for 15 grand?

FDNewbie

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45k - 55k car? Any of you guys take a look at this post?

I dunno where you guys are getting $55K for a Supra from...

shnitz

I don't agree with some of these statements.

I don't think that the RX-7 will ever be a collector's car, in the same way that RX2's, 3, and 4's are currently not garnering huge prices. They are desirable because of their lax emissions requirements, but people aren't paying tons of money for these bodies. The RX-7 is a nice car, but it isn't a classic. I am positive that Mazda is going to continue developing the Renesis, which has what, 10%-15% of the emissions that the FD did while still providing decent power without a turbo? In my opinion, 220-230 bhp from natural aspiration as opposed to 255 from an engine-killing, heat-generating twin turbo setup is worth it. Also, Road & Track has some little offshoot magazine called Speed, and I remember reading about Mazda development making a prototype supercharged Renesis. Actually, here, I googled some search terms and came up with this:

http://rotarynews.com/?q=node/view/466

So I don't believe that these "delicate" rotaries are going to be incredibly valuable in the future, especially also considering how quickly factory performance is increasing. Look around, companies are coming out with better-performing cars every day. I would even argue that the Renesis, not the 13B, is actually the pinnacle of what Mazda has built because it produces decent power, lasts longer, and produces much less emmissions.


Second, I agree with NADA values. They don't go by what people think or expect of their cars. You expect people to pay $20K + for a low mileage FD? Sorry, I'm not going to pay as much for a 13 year old FD car as I would for an RX-8. Granted the FD is quicker, but the 8 is a new car, often still has warranty, won't require hardly the influx of immediate repairs that an FD will, has nice factory options such as navigation and HID headlights, etc.

Third, please stop comparing FD's to Supra's. Toyotas are well known for their superior reliability and their much lower depreciation value. They are cars that more than a handful of people in the nation can reliably tune. They make power very well and are a blast to drive without having to worry about destroying the engine at the drop of a pin. You are comparing your failure-prone rotaries to an iron-block inline 6?

Recentlyconverted

The thing you gotta realize is this car isn't a daily driver civic. Yes a lot of us do dd these cars, but for the most part the reason these cars sell for so much is that people will pay for it. The type of people that usually buy these cars in most cases are or will become enthusiasts, and are therefore buying the car for the potential that it can have. Most people on here are willing to buy the car and rebuild the engine, tranny, and suspension to make the car act and perform close to new. In many cases, just cause an FD is a 12 year old car and has 100K on the clock, it doesn't mean the car will act like a 12 year old car with 100K on the clock after an engine/tranny rebuild and suspension overhaul.

Think about it, how many cars do you know that can keep up with $80K+ cars after buying the car for about 12K, then spend about 10K for engine/tranny/suspension mods.

Considering for about $25K you can have a car that can clean house in most cases, a lot of people would consider that rather cheap.

If you think the FD is too old for you, get an RX8