No Start, Cranks, no RPM Signal on PFC
No Start, Cranks, no RPM Signal on PFC
I’ve searched a bunch of different threads but nothing shows the same symptoms that my car is showing. Basically I go out, turn key on, and try cranking over but the PFC Commander shows no rpms, just stays at 0. However sometimes if I leave the key in the on position for a couple minutes and then crank it over it’ll finally start. Battery shows good voltage, new plugs, new wires. Already did the deflood procedure a couple of times. Fuel pump is aem 240lph rewired to get constant 12. When it is running it runs great, aside from slight hesitation issues I get every once in awhile but I believe that’s unrelated. Any ideas and help would be much appreciated. Again I’ve searched a bunch but couldn’t find a thread that would give me some troubleshooting tips. Car is a 95 RHD with slight mods, intake, down pipe, cat back, and pfc.
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Check the wiring at the cas plugs. Leaving the key in and it just suddenly working is really odd but maybe the wiring has something funny going on. If the commander isn't registering rpm then starting with the cas makes the most sense. Its also not unlikely it could be a problem with the pfc itself.
Check the wiring at the cas plugs. Leaving the key in and it just suddenly working is really odd but maybe the wiring has something funny going on. If the commander isn't registering rpm then starting with the cas makes the most sense. Its also not unlikely it could be a problem with the pfc itself.
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You can but I meant just literally look at it.... like just put eyes on the wiring actually at the plugs on the cas. Touch them as well and just verify their integrity.
Wondering if its a few separate issues. What tune is on the PFC?
When it does finally start, are you getting a lot of unburned fuel/smoke?
Does it start easier after the deflooding? Wondering if you have a stuck or leaky injector that might be causing the start issues. Mine was harder to start and was flooding. I ran a few bottles of Techron fuel cleaner through and it ran, idled better and got rid of a lot of the hesitation.
Are you using rotary plugs or standard plugs?
When it does finally start, are you getting a lot of unburned fuel/smoke?
Does it start easier after the deflooding? Wondering if you have a stuck or leaky injector that might be causing the start issues. Mine was harder to start and was flooding. I ran a few bottles of Techron fuel cleaner through and it ran, idled better and got rid of a lot of the hesitation.
Are you using rotary plugs or standard plugs?
Wondering if its a few separate issues. What tune is on the PFC?
When it does finally start, are you getting a lot of unburned fuel/smoke?
Does it start easier after the deflooding? Wondering if you have a stuck or leaky injector that might be causing the start issues. Mine was harder to start and was flooding. I ran a few bottles of Techron fuel cleaner through and it ran, idled better and got rid of a lot of the hesitation.
Are you using rotary plugs or standard plugs?
When it does finally start, are you getting a lot of unburned fuel/smoke?
Does it start easier after the deflooding? Wondering if you have a stuck or leaky injector that might be causing the start issues. Mine was harder to start and was flooding. I ran a few bottles of Techron fuel cleaner through and it ran, idled better and got rid of a lot of the hesitation.
Are you using rotary plugs or standard plugs?
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no engine speed during cranking is like a fundamental issue with your wiring.
What is the history of the vehicle? Did someone "simplify" the harness or is it a high mileage one that's totally melted/baked?
What is the history of the vehicle? Did someone "simplify" the harness or is it a high mileage one that's totally melted/baked?
sat in a auction lot on mainland japan for awhile before getting shipped to Okinawa, I then bought it from the dude who shipped it, 128k km so it’s not super high mileage
My CAS wires broke right by the connector. The worst part is that the wires broke inside of the wire insulation, so it wasn't detectable to the naked eye. Another thing I've seen is the OMP wires that hang right above the trigger wheel fell into the way of the CAS sensors and caused an rpm signal loss. A quick little hail Mary that you can do, is to have someone crank the car and stare at the PFC while you wiggle the CAS wires. If it starts picking up an RPM signal, you have a wiring problem in that area. If that doesn't work, bust out the ohm meter and measure the resistance from the CAS to the ECU. You probably have an open circuit somewhere in there. The CAS wires also ground by the ECU, so I'd check to make sure that is grounded properly.
My CAS wires broke right by the connector. The worst part is that the wires broke inside of the wire insulation, so it wasn't detectable to the naked eye. Another thing I've seen is the OMP wires that hang right above the trigger wheel fell into the way of the CAS sensors and caused an rpm signal loss. A quick little hail Mary that you can do, is to have someone crank the car and stare at the PFC while you wiggle the CAS wires. If it starts picking up an RPM signal, you have a wiring problem in that area. If that doesn't work, bust out the ohm meter and measure the resistance from the CAS to the ECU. You probably have an open circuit somewhere in there. The CAS wires also ground by the ECU, so I'd check to make sure that is grounded properly.
My CAS wires broke right by the connector. The worst part is that the wires broke inside of the wire insulation, so it wasn't detectable to the naked eye. Another thing I've seen is the OMP wires that hang right above the trigger wheel fell into the way of the CAS sensors and caused an rpm signal loss. A quick little hail Mary that you can do, is to have someone crank the car and stare at the PFC while you wiggle the CAS wires. If it starts picking up an RPM signal, you have a wiring problem in that area. If that doesn't work, bust out the ohm meter and measure the resistance from the CAS to the ECU. You probably have an open circuit somewhere in there. The CAS wires also ground by the ECU, so I'd check to make sure that is grounded properly.
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