3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway

Old May 22, 2013 | 11:15 AM
  #326  
RCCAZ 1's Avatar
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,367
Likes: 86
From: Phoenix, AZ
^^^OK David... how rude! Introductions please? Maybe "Pictured L to R"? I know Trey. I take it that Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard explaining the track, and the only female in the photos must be his wife, correct?

I swear, one of my biggest pet peeves when I go to rotary events is that no one knows who is who. If they made nametags mandatory you wouldn't come away from events going "What? Who was there?" "Daum, wish I had known. I really wanted to meet them."
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 11:18 AM
  #327  
David Hayes's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 6,510
Likes: 188
From: FL








Attached Thumbnails Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02116.jpg   Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02117.jpg   Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02118.jpg   Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02119.jpg   Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02120.jpg  

Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 11:19 AM
  #328  
David Hayes's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 6,510
Likes: 188
From: FL


Attached Thumbnails Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02121.jpg   Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-dsc02122.jpg  
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:18 PM
  #329  
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
All out Track Freak!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (263)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 10,672
Likes: 413
From: Charlottesville VA 22901
Originally Posted by ZDan
Dan with the white LS2 FD here.

Great day at the track fo sho! Actually, this is the first time I've been able to truly DRIVE the FD, as I had power steering issues at previous events (first with MR2 electric pump setup, then a collapsed feed hose with GXP GT pump).

Street tires => a lot of unintentional and semi-intentional dorifto action. Passengers were adequately entertained, I hope

I was worried about pads, running StopTech streets up front, parts store Duralast Gold (!) in back (my CarboTech XP10s were 650 miles away!), but taking it easy in the braking zones and lifting/coasting for the last ~1/4 of the straight (still hit 140mph!) worked great, no brake issues all day
Hi Dan,
Glad you had fun and sorry I wasn't able to get to know you better hopefully next time we can hang out some

Originally Posted by ptrhahn
Dude, I have more respect for the 2:10's you ran in that GT3 than the 2:03 in the RX7. What a handful that thing is, it scared me!
That car was a trip for sure but as mentioned the sound and brakes are SWEET!!!!

Originally Posted by Rxmfn7
I feel like Fritz's reviews have ruined the GT3 for me. Ive never personally had the opportunity to drive one, but it always seemed like the perfect car. Buy it right from the showroom, and go have a lethal track weapon that is all setup and perfectly controllable, yet still retains some civility for street duty. Then Fritz points out he'd like it to have have like 10k with of upgrades to compete with tired old FDs and its sketchy at the limit.. I guess it saved me some money in the future anyway.
Don't let my opinion of this particular car sway you there's a huge coolness factor in how it feels when it's setup. This one just wanted to oversteer like crazy and I was running on street tires and tend to over drive etc... so basically I was driving tail out too much heating up the rear tires and just adding to the problem.

As Pete mentioned you could literally beat it to death with the AC on (I also ran an entire session with the AC on) in hot weather and have no issues. We almost ran out of gas on track because I was so lax I wasn't worried or even thinking about anything mechanical just hopping in turning the key and ripping.

However with all that said the FD is more fun to drive than any car I've ever driven so it's unbeatable IMO BUT as we all know it's a maint and reliability night mare JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TURBO CAR (especially if you want big power) I had to add that



Originally Posted by ptrhahn
^^^

I gather the 997 he had was better. This 996 was just a set up disaster.

However, with the little skinny front tires, boosty power steering, and light front end, I'm not sure it'll ever feel like an FD. The brakes @#$%ing ROCKED, as did the throttle response and exhaust sound. And the fact that I looked down and realized I was driving with the A/C on.
Yep the 997 is supposed to be a little easier to drive but again I think this car is having setup issues and if not it's still fun enough if I just calm down and go slower.

Originally Posted by gmonsen
Rxmfn7... I've owned 4 Porsches and unless you have spent time in them you can't understand the weird cornering behavior that 911's have. Everyone's read about snap oversteer and that Porsche finally licked the problem some time ago. Nope. When pushed, the physics of having the engine weight behind the rear axle cannot be denied. You can mitigate the problem to where its effects are pushed way out there, but when you push the car that far, its there.

G


But also it's no problem at all to drive tail out the entire time if you're used to the balance.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:24 PM
  #330  
David Hayes's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 6,510
Likes: 188
From: FL
Originally Posted by RCCAZ 1
^^^OK David... how rude! Introductions please? Maybe "Pictured L to R"? I know Trey. I take it that Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard explaining the track, and the only female in the photos must be his wife, correct?

I swear, one of my biggest pet peeves when I go to rotary events is that no one knows who is who. If they made nametags mandatory you wouldn't come away from events going "What? Who was there?" "Daum, wish I had known. I really wanted to meet them."
Oops, wanted to get the pics up in my spare time and now it's too late to go back and edit. Yes, Fritz is the guy at the whiteboard but the female is not Morgan his wife, but Mitsuninja's wife.

Maybe each person in the pics and quote the pic and identify themselves? Gotta please you Tim or whatever your name is
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:32 PM
  #331  
ptrhahn's Avatar
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,282
Likes: 703
From: Arlington, VA
Mine is the silver car with the black wheels... I'm only visible faintly as the driver in flat back helmet.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:57 PM
  #332  
wrankin's Avatar
Old Rotary Dog
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,461
Likes: 2
From: Durham, NC
I'm the guy in the tan T-shirt and blue VIR cap in the classroom pic. That's also me (now in dark blue long sleeves) belting into the FC about two pics later.

Great pics, David!
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 12:58 PM
  #333  
GoRacer's Avatar
Speed Mach Go Go Go
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,772
Likes: 2
From: My 350Z Roadster kicks my RX7's butt
Originally Posted by gmonsen
Rxmfn7... I've owned 4 Porsches and unless you have spent time in them you can't understand the weird cornering behavior that 911's have. Everyone's read about snap oversteer and that Porsche finally licked the problem some time ago. Nope. When pushed, the physics of having the engine weight behind the rear axle cannot be denied. You can mitigate the problem to where its effects are pushed way out there, but when you push the car that far, its there.

G
I thought the FD had a loose rear end on the track also but it's easily counter steered (with one finger). I haven't driven the 911 only the Boxster S which is not the same as a turbo AWD dream machine.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:01 PM
  #334  
GoRacer's Avatar
Speed Mach Go Go Go
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,772
Likes: 2
From: My 350Z Roadster kicks my RX7's butt
[QUOTE=David Hayes;11474732]
[img]https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/499181d1369234338t-
[/img]

Suhweeeet! That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:10 PM
  #335  
RE-Amemiya's Avatar
Not the company
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,040
Likes: 9
From: United States
Some of my pics;

I wish my pictures had turned out better; and i had a telephoto lens with me but it wouldn't seem to work. Not a bad thing, but i spent too much time hanging out and didn't get pictures of everybody's car as intended, so i apologize for that as well. Enough talking though......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769347492/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769347492/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769431538/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769431538/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769443508/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769443508/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769562846/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769562846/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769574896/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769574896/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:11 PM
  #336  
RE-Amemiya's Avatar
Not the company
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,040
Likes: 9
From: United States
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769700244/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769700244/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769707700/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769707700/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770555236/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770555236/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769904676/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8769904676/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770010486/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770010486/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:12 PM
  #337  
RE-Amemiya's Avatar
Not the company
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 5,040
Likes: 9
From: United States
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770066208/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770066208/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770088278/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770088278/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770199432/http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwinchell60/8770199432/ by http://www.flickr.com/people/mwinchell60/, on Flickr
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:23 PM
  #338  
GoRacer's Avatar
Speed Mach Go Go Go
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,772
Likes: 2
From: My 350Z Roadster kicks my RX7's butt
[QUOTE=GoRacer;11474914]
Originally Posted by David Hayes
[img]https://www.rx7club.com/attachments/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/499181d1369234338t-
[/img]?
Suhweeeet! That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?

Wait, what's it like to drive a FD, I can't remember?
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:24 PM
  #339  
David Hayes's Avatar
Thread Starter
Lives on the Forum
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 6,510
Likes: 188
From: FL
Originally Posted by GoRacer
Suhweeeet! That would be like a high speed gokart. Did you get to drive it?
I wish. That is a racecar that competes so no, we didn't get to drive it. Victor was kind enough to bring it out and drive it on track so we could see it in action. Awesome go kart car.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 01:35 PM
  #340  
t-von's Avatar
Rotor Head Extreme
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,719
Likes: 26
From: Midland Texas
Originally Posted by Project88Turbo

I have only one suggestion for the next time: Name tags with actual and Forum names.

Vince

I feel you on that! During Sunday nights dinner, I made a suggestion to David about everyone having a T-shirt made with their avatar and forum name on it.



By the way I'm the black guy wearing the Chive shirt.

Lol David, my parents didn't raise no vegitarian.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 02:00 PM
  #341  
patfat's Avatar
Track junkie
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,258
Likes: 1
From: Providence, RI
Originally Posted by Rxmfn7
I feel like Fritz's reviews have ruined the GT3 for me. Ive never personally had the opportunity to drive one, but it always seemed like the perfect car. Buy it right from the showroom, and go have a lethal track weapon that is all setup and perfectly controllable, yet still retains some civility for street duty. Then Fritz points out he'd like it to have have like 10k with of upgrades to compete with tired old FDs and its sketchy at the limit.. I guess it saved me some money in the future anyway.
I'm pissed I missed this event and the 3-day PCA event. My car is back in the shop due to complications from the accident. I hope to have it all sorted out next month.

The GT3 is an amazing machine, but it can't be driven at the track w/ a Fritz Flynn string alignment done a couple min before he packs up the trailer. Also, they need fresh tires or they are a handful. This is true for any 911.

Also, Fritz's GT3 has fancy suspension on it and I'm sure it's not dialed in correctly for his style of driving. I'd be willing to bet the rake on the car is messed up or it's setup for slicks and he's out on O L D *** tires stamped from 2007


Fritz, here's what I run at VIR and find it works best with my Moton setup. In July I bump down the low speed to 1 once the track gets all greasy and this seems to help with understeer.

700lbs in front with a 225 tender.
Front canister set at 150psi (measured in the air)
low speed compression 3 from zero
high speed compression 5 from zero
Rebound 6 from zero

Rear:
900lbs main
250lbs tender
Canister pressure 175psi ( measured in the air)
low speed compression 4
high speed compression 6
Rebound 8

Front alignment specs:
-2.8
1/32 of toe in
stock caster

Rear
-3.0
stock kinematic
1/16 of rear toe-in

Rear wing angle set at 6 degrees.


Happy to hear all the newbies enjoyed the track and hopefully we'll see you all trackside more often! Peter, the Techno's look great.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 02:08 PM
  #342  
rgordon1979's Avatar
LS what?
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,180
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh, NC
As others have said, I intended on getting much more video/photos over the course of the day; however, being slightly distracted, it didn't work out that way, unfortunately. I have pieced together everything I did get that was worthwhile though.




I wanted to overlay the dyno results for each run, but only had my numbers.


I am the silver '94 LS2 with RPF1s, by the way.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 03:02 PM
  #343  
Copeland's Avatar
32psi+
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (42)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,323
Likes: 40
From: Raleigh, NC
Originally Posted by rgordon1979
As others have said, I intended on getting much more video/photos over the course of the day; however, being slightly distracted, it didn't work out that way, unfortunately. I have pieced together everything I did get that was worthwhile though.



I wanted to overlay the dyno results for each run, but only had my numbers.


I am the silver '94 LS2 with RPF1s, by the way.
Wow nice job on the video, really sums it up nicely. I wish someone could have got Hoi's T10 dance on video!
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 03:14 PM
  #344  
afgmoto1978's Avatar
Lift Off in T-Minus...
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,913
Likes: 4
From: Kingman, AZ
Damn, sucks I missed this. Oh well, glad everyone had a blast.
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 04:17 PM
  #345  
NCRX791's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
From: Elkin, NC
Originally Posted by David Hayes
Please post up pics you took. Here are mine. I spent most of the time scrambling around so I think you will have better ones than me at the track:

At the Dyno
Thats me in the red awesome shirt!
-Andrew
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 04:18 PM
  #346  
wrankin's Avatar
Old Rotary Dog
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,461
Likes: 2
From: Durham, NC
I put some pics up on Dropbox :

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/penv4vql2wp6dep/wMHYhgi9T7

I have a few more parking lot shots which I'll probably add later. If anyone wants the full-sized copies, PM me.

-bill
Attached Thumbnails Modified Magazine Cover Story: FD Testing Event Virginia International Raceway-p1020227_sm.jpg  
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 04:30 PM
  #347  
Fritz Flynn's Avatar
All out Track Freak!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (263)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 10,672
Likes: 413
From: Charlottesville VA 22901
Originally Posted by patfat
I'm pissed I missed this event and the 3-day PCA event. My car is back in the shop due to complications from the accident. I hope to have it all sorted out next month.

The GT3 is an amazing machine, but it can't be driven at the track w/ a Fritz Flynn string alignment done a couple min before he packs up the trailer. Also, they need fresh tires or they are a handful. This is true for any 911.

Also, Fritz's GT3 has fancy suspension on it and I'm sure it's not dialed in correctly for his style of driving. I'd be willing to bet the rake on the car is messed up or it's setup for slicks and he's out on O L D *** tires stamped from 2007


Fritz, here's what I run at VIR and find it works best with my Moton setup. In July I bump down the low speed to 1 once the track gets all greasy and this seems to help with understeer.

700lbs in front with a 225 tender.
Front canister set at 150psi (measured in the air)
low speed compression 3 from zero
high speed compression 5 from zero
Rebound 6 from zero

Rear:
900lbs main
250lbs tender
Canister pressure 175psi ( measured in the air)
low speed compression 4
high speed compression 6
Rebound 8

Front alignment specs:
-2.8
1/32 of toe in
stock caster

Rear
-3.0
stock kinematic
1/16 of rear toe-in

Rear wing angle set at 6 degrees.


Happy to hear all the newbies enjoyed the track and hopefully we'll see you all trackside more often! Peter, the Techno's look great.
LOL you know me too well

It was setup for slicks with a really big radius out back so now the rake is jacked up for sure. But it's low in the back which should make it push.

Tires were cheap NT01s. Don't forgot I once had a GT3 and YES they need rubber but you know I'm a cheap *** bastard

The original shock setting were very close to what you have there.

I took out a lot of rebound from the back its now:
C2
R5

Front:
C10
R8

F bar is 1 off stiff
R bar is 1 off soft

Ramon says stiffer springs and fatter bars are must for even hoos?

The above changes helped a lot but it's still a handful.

Is the 16th toe out back total or each side?

I'll go zero toe up front
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 09:23 PM
  #348  
rgordon1979's Avatar
LS what?
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,180
Likes: 0
From: Raleigh, NC
Originally Posted by NCRX791
Thats me in the red awesome shirt!
-Andrew
Andrew,
Your bracket is upside down.

-Robin
Reply
Old May 22, 2013 | 10:38 PM
  #349  
GoRacer's Avatar
Speed Mach Go Go Go
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,772
Likes: 2
From: My 350Z Roadster kicks my RX7's butt
Dang, that 3-rotor turbo is SuWheeeeeTuh! I wish I had a turbo.
Reply
Old May 23, 2013 | 12:16 PM
  #350  
NCRX791's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 291
Likes: 0
From: Elkin, NC
Originally Posted by rgordon1979
Andrew,
Your bracket is upside down.

-Robin

Haha... If I won the Jack Pot...I would have an FD with a V8 alongside my Rotary. Your car was a blast to ride around in. I appreciate the ride!
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:39 AM.