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Old 01-09-03, 10:42 AM
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Looking at a car from Puerto Rico. Help!

I am considering purchasing a 94 r2 that is in the states. The owner is from Puerto Rico and the car is still registered there (supposedly). I am having a hell of a time running a VIN and getting info from Puerto Rico. CarFax info stops in Miama on this car in 1996. The owner does not have the original title but a copy. He has the import papers and registration info from PR.

If any fellow members in PR could help or if any others have suggestions, I am all ears! This car has about $8k in the motor and would be a good buy.
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I'd be real careful if I were you. Florida is used to launder title, especially on cars that were flood damage. And Miami is the capital of Nuevo Havana so it is even more questionable.

And stuff from PR are questionable, and don't laugh, b/c PR thinks that it is a sovereign country separate from the U.S. so they can do whatever they want to do. Take it from me, I've been there and I've friends from there.
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you can PM me and let me know how can i help you

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kempo were do u live in P.R. ; i live in guaynabo
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Hi I live in Puerto Rico how can I help you?

How much they are asking for the car? any info on the owner?
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Sorry, just checked the thread.

I am picking the car up in the morning. The seller seems legit. He is an engineer at a company I am familar with and has the proper paperwork......other than the original title. He has original registration papers and a copy of the title stamped when he imported the car back to the states. I checked the Miama PD and the car checks clean there. I had no luck contacting anyone in PR.

I would tell you what I am paying. However, I plan on taking off the turbo, IC, WG and other misc. parts to put on my current car (that I'll keep)and then sell the other. Let's just say it is a very good deal.
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Pomanferrari, your comments are way out of line. If you are not Puerto Rican, if you have only been there on vacation and not lived there a considerable length of time in order to know the people, the political situation or anything else in relation to my country, then don't make a comment like that. Stating that Puerto Ricans believe that they are a sovereign country, is so wrong and could not be any further away from the truth. Having friends and being there, does not qualifies you as an expert in travel or make you foreign country socioeconomic and political expert. Not knowing about Puerto Rico's culture, the people, the country, the goverment, the economy and national or international trades and affairs is plain wrong.
What if, I was to say that ALL PATENT LAWYERS are a bunch of Blood Sucking Crooks and specially the ones in DC, that think they are above the law and think that they can do no wrong and NO LAWYER in DC should be TRUSTED? That I have lawyer friends and been there in DC, although I believe all this to be true. Not nice right?
Pomanferrari, you are a well educated individual, but your comment was not very intelligent.
Oh and your so called friends that are Puerto Ricans, they must be a bunch of drug dealers, crooks and gangsters if they tell you they can do all that. It's not just like here in the USA, where Corporations defraud with the help of big accounting firms the public and employees out of their savings and retirement funds.
I would have PM you, but you made these comments on an open forum, so I felt I had to respond to this post.
If you want you can PM me and we can chat about the politics or anything you want, I am also well educated like you. I also have pleanty of cousins who are LAWYERS in Florida, Texas and California. hahaha how about that for a joke? but is true.
Please read this post as a clarifying post and not an inflamatory post. So no flame wars please.
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i live in ponce and work on mayaguez
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i live in ponce and work on mayaguez.
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Not to interupt everyones verbal abuse, but I bought the car this morning. I guess I will see how the title thing goes.

Hell of a buy either way. I could part it out and make my money back.

Thanks for most of everyone's input.
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I am sure all went down smoothly without any problems.
Keep us posted of any events.
I live also in Dallas, TX, so if and when you decide to part the R1 let me know. If you want to sell it whole, I might have a friend interested in it. Send me a PM.
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Re: pomanferrari

Originally posted by Radical Rotary Avantgard
Pomanferrari, your comments are way out of line. If you are not Puerto Rican, if you have only been there on vacation and not lived there a considerable length of time in order to know the people, the political situation or anything else in relation to my country, then don't make a comment like that.

Stating that Puerto Ricans believe that they are a sovereign country, is so wrong and could not be any further away from the truth.

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I knew you would take the bait. First, you talked about your "country." There ain't no such Republic of Puerto Rico my friend. You're part of the Protectorate of the United States of America. You don't pay US income taxes yet you get welfare benefits. You have an American passports yet you consider PR to be a separate country.

And then you contradict yourself.... I'm LMAO b/c my PR friends make the exact same commentraries. First you say PR is your country and then you say I'm so wrong that PR is it's own sovereign country. Which is which? Republic of PR or Protectorate of the U.S.?

Not only was I in San Juan, but I visited the interior and Vieques, Culebra. The funny thing is ... my PR lives in Florida. Don't ask me why but something with the job situations down there. There are some good and some bad things about PR. I warned the poster to be careful b/c the title info stops at Miami so something doesn't sound right. And of course, PR really thinks it is its own country. Nope. It's really in a twilight zone: not a country but yet wants to be a country.

Not flaming ... just an observation.
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Re: pomanferrari

Originally posted by Radical Rotary Avantgard
Pomanferrari, your comments are way out of line. If you are not Puerto Rican, if you have only been there on vacation and not lived there a considerable length of time in order to know the people, the political situation or anything else in relation to my country, then don't make a comment like that. Stating that Puerto Ricans believe that they are a sovereign country, is so wrong and could not be any further away from the truth.
Peace.
Your analogous reasoning leaves alot to be desired. I just hope you're not a lawyer b/c that's all we use.

Anyway, some facts about PR by the CIA:

ndependence:
Definition Field Listing
none (commonwealth associated with the US)
National holiday:
Definition Field Listing
US Independence Day, 4 July (1776)
Constitution:
Definition Field Listing
ratified 3 March 1952; approved by US Congress 3 July 1952; effective 25 July 1952
Legal system:
Definition Field Listing
based on Spanish civil code and adapted US state laws
Suffrage:
Definition Field Listing
18 years of age; universal; indigenous inhabitants are US citizens but do not vote in US presidential elections
Executive branch:
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chief of state: President George W. BUSH of the US (since 20 January 2001); Vice President Richard B. CHENEY (since 20 January 2001)
election results: Sila M. CALDERON (PPD) elected governor; percent of vote - 48.6%
note: residents of Puerto Rico do not vote for US president and vice president
elections: US president and vice president elected on the same ticket for four-year terms; governor elected by popular vote for a four-year term; election last held 7 November 2000 (next to be held 2 November 2004)
head of government: Governor Sila M. CALDERON (since 2 January 2001)
cabinet: Cabinet appointed by the governor with the consent of the legislature
Legislative branch:
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bicameral Legislative Assembly consists of the Senate (28 seats; members are directly elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms) and the House of Representatives (51 seats; members are directly elected by popular vote to serve four-year terms)
election results: Senate - percent of vote by party - NA%; seats by party - PPD 19, PNP 8, PIP 1, other 1; House of Representatives - percent of vote by party - NA%; seats by party - PPD 30, PNP 20, PIP 1
note: Puerto Rico elects, by popular vote, a resident commissioner to serve a four-year term as a nonvoting representative in the US House of Representatives; aside from not voting on the House floor, he enjoys all the rights of a member of Congress; elections last held 7 November 2000 (next to be held 2 November 2004); results - percent of vote by party - PPD 49.3%; seats by party - PPD 1; Anibal ACEVEDO-VILA elected resident commissioner
elections: Senate - last held 7 November 2000 (next to be held 2 November 2004); House of Representatives - last held 7 November 2000 (next to be held 2 November 2004)
Judicial branch:
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Supreme Court; Appellate Court; Court of First Instance composed of two sections: a Superior Court and a Municipal Court (justices for all these courts appointed by the governor with the consent of the Senate)
Political parties and leaders:
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National Democratic Party [Celeste BENITEZ]; National Republican Party of Puerto Rico [Luis FERRE]; New Progressive Party or PNP (pro-US statehood) [Carlos PESQUERA]; Popular Democratic Party or PPD (pro-commonwealth) [Sila M. CALDERON]; Puerto Rican Independence Party or PIP (pro-independence) [Ruben BERRIOS Martinez]
Political pressure groups and leaders:
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Armed Forces for National Liberation or FALN; Armed Forces of Popular Resistance; Boricua Popular Army (also known as the Macheteros); Volunteers of the Puerto Rican Revolution
International organization participation:
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Caricom (observer), ECLAC (associate), FAO (associate), ICFTU, Interpol (subbureau), IOC, WCL, WFTU, WHO (associate)
Diplomatic representation in the US:
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none (commonwealth associated with the US)
Diplomatic representation from the US:
Definition Field Listing
none (commonwealth associated with the US)
Flag description:
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five equal horizontal bands of red (top and bottom) alternating with white; a blue isosceles triangle based on the hoist side bears a large, white, five-pointed star in the center; design initially influenced by the US flag, but similar to the Cuban flag, with the colors of the bands and triangle reversed
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Sorry about hijacking this thread .... I had to answer Radical Rotary.

Some people just don't appreciate what the U.S. does for them: the South Koreans for example: the U.S. protected them for 50+ years from their midget cousins (yeah, you can tell a North from a South based on height due to the differences in diet) so that they are now the envy of the world and scaring the crap out of Japan. Yet, they're crapping all over us; their elected president ran on an Anti-American platform and won. Hah, the capital of S. Korea is only about 50 miles from the DMZ: it would be wiped out in an hour without U.S. protection.

Pseudo Republic of Puerto Rico is not in the same vein but the fact that PR is much more advanced than the Dominican Republic and other real countries is because of the U.S. God I love this country. God Bless America if I may so.

The purchase turned out well for the poster so we can all go back to talking amongst ourselves. Over and out.
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Pomanferrari, I am very impressed at your ability of copying information from the CIA, yet you know jack crap about the people and the culture. All that information, as you just demostrated can be found, copied and posted and still means nothing of first hand experience or knowledge of.
You don't insult me by saying that you hope I am not a Lawyer, but my dad is if you want to know. I am an Orthodontist and love America too, but don't understand why you think that Puerto Ricans don't. The analogy that I wanted to demostrate to you, is that all those thing about laudering titles, happends everywhere (even here in USA) and has nothing to do if Puerto Ricans think that we are a souverign country, as YOU say (again, which is not true).
Why in your copied information you leave out the part that the other big % of the population is Pro statehood(did you know that?), that we can vote on Presidential primaries even when we can't vote for the president (to be able to do that we would have to be a state, didyou know that) and that every 4 years the elections swing from Commonwealth party to Pro statehood party (just like here Democrats to Republicans and vice versa). To say that we are not greatfull for what the USA has done for us, is false. We have paid our dues with lives. We Puerto Ricans have served in all war conflicts WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf war and when we knocked Libya too. So please don't make it sound like we take and don't give anything in return or that we are ungreatfull, because is not true.
Why do you want to make Puerto Rico look like a Banana Republic? Fact is, you know it is not true (you been there right?). Who are your Puerto Rican friends? I would like to talk to them, maybe you are being misinformed. Your unfounded generalized comments are very typical of a bitter person that has some beef with Puerto Ricans.
Did something bad happend to you in PR????
Were you not able to satisfy a hot, full of latino flavor Puerto Rican girl???
Don't tell me you don't like J.Lo!!!
What!!! you like Ricky Martin???
Oh well, I am done too, over and out.
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I have never said that PR is a sovereign country. It is a protectorate of the USA that is a FACT, that I haven't argued. You are the one that said that we think we are a sovereign country. Read the post again.
Fact- PR has a very different racial and cultural background than the USA. This does not makes us a different country or does it?. Use Hawaii and Alaska for cultural backgroud example and they are now states of the USA. Hawaiians had a say in a referendum, Eskimos in Alaska did not, they were sold to the USA by the Russians.You knew that right?
Fact- We don't vote for president but for sure vote on presidential primaries. Ask your congress about that one, I don't know what that makes us.
Fact- PR serves in the arm forces during conflicts. This makes us part of the USA, I think.
Fact- We have an Olympic team (in my opinion, a joke) but in order to do that the Olympic Organization has to recognize you as sovereign country. Explain that one to me please, as being part or protectorate of the USA how are we in the eyes of the Olympic World a sovereign country? Does DC has an Olympic team?
Fact- We are american citizens and don't pay federal taxes, except for the federal employees in PR that do pay federal taxes. I don't know what that makes us.
Fact- We send every year to Miss Universe a beautiful Puerto Rican girl (which we have pleanty) and only sovereing countries can do that. Again this is confusing.
Fact- In Championship boxing events the National anthem of the countries involved are played, why when a Puerto Rican is fighting our anthem is played? Even when is held in the USA? So the USA also sees us as a sovereing country? Can you explain?
Fact- In the 911 tragedy more Puerto Ricans policeman and fire fighters died than any other cultural back ground. Why? because they did their duty, because they feel part of the USA . We want to be part of it and have all the good and the all the bad too. Even if not all Puerto Ricans feel that way. The ones that do, move to the USA, work and pay taxes like you and me and everyone else.
Fact- Copying information about PR from any source can be achieved by any middle school kid from the internet, you proof nothing with your long photocopied post. I thought you were more intelligent than that, I guess not.
Fact- Talking without knowledge about any culture, country or race is plain biggotry, racism and discrimination and you being a Lawyer should know better than that. I won't bring in your demeaning comments on the cubans in Florida, but that's how you sounded to me. What is your cultural background? WASP? Arian? Pure Irish?
Even your users name"pomanferrari" is like making fun on how some African Americans talk. What is your problem? How young are you?
You are the classic Lawyer distorting, changing, twisting things. You are just runing your mouth without knowledge which is a very dangerous and ignorant thing to do and you have excelled in this department.
I will rest now and won't bother to try to educate you. I don't think you have the capacity to understand and being a lawyer you will argue till the cows come home or PR becomes a state of the Union and it will be a cold day in hell when that happends.
You are what you are, the Classic FUA that everyone hates.
For you again:
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You guys are too funny.... a Patent Lawyer and Orthodontist arguing (sorry - debating) about Puerto Rico in an FD forum. It doesn't get any more obtuse than this!

I think you've both made some pretty good points, but darned if you're going to suck me into the fray. We've got Iraq to turn into our next Desert Republic now.

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How many Puerto Ricans feel the US would be justified in stopping all aid if they rejected statehood again. Especially after kicking our Navy out of the testing area. Yeah, I know at least 1 person died due to a stray bomb. US civilians die because of military accidents also.
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hey man the f*kking up our beutifull island vieques

i can her the bombs droping and some times you can see the ships firing missiles from the marina were my boat is. and is a huge environmental catastrophy case that beach is were the lether back turtle lays its eggs.
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Uh.......What happened to my thread? OK everyone loves there country of origin...if not then leave!

Now can we talk about FD's?

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Originally posted by Ehughes
U OK everyone loves there country of origin...if not then leave!

Now can we talk about FD's?

"Relax Francis!"
Let me answer PR rambling incoherent discourse with the following directive TO THOSE LIVING IN THE USA (others outside the USA ignore this)

If you think your country of origin (Pseudo Republic of PR, Saudi Arabia, England or any other countries) is so great, GO THE FUKK BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY OF ORIGIN IF IT'S SO FUKKING GREAT.
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Yeah, and I might add that I'm not native born but September 11 solidfiied my allegiance to this country.

DAMN it feels good to get this off my chest even though it's the wrong forum.
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You are not a native born American??? After all that, that you have talked???
Sorry, but you are a MAJOR CHARLATAN and a HACK.
Your use of language definitely shows your true colors, age and level of maturity (of wich you have none).
Have you ever serve in the arms forces for the USA??
Why don't you tell us what is your real nationality??
Are you afraid that I am going to ROTFLMAO???
Come on!!! be the MAN that you are not and tell us where you are originally from.
Are you a refugee from Asia??Russia??Middle East??
I don't have a problem with discrimination, unlike YOU, so please tell us. What is your cultural background??
When you started your cursing and unintelligent remarks, you demostrated your incapacity to carry out an intelligent dicussion. Are you a lawyer for real??? I pitty your clients. What Law School did you attend??You do go to court right?? or do you push pencils on a desk at the patent office for Uncle Sam??
You have no facts to back up your rambling crap about what you said before about PR.
You never answered any of my questions or could rebute any of my facts, because you know nothing about the Status of PR. You can read right??
You are a real CLOWN and your last post basically says that I OWN YOU. It was so predictable, I don't know what took you so long. As if you owned this country which I have been living most likely longer than you have.
What a FOOL YOU ARE, you posted that 911 solidified your allegiance to this country, so what was it before then?? what if 911 never happened??? what would your feelings be then toward this country??
Answer any of these question and then maybe, I will change my impression about you.
The only one that sounds incoherent here is you Bozo, by not being able to address any of the issues or questions presented to you but going on tangents.
Remember:
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Looking foward to hear what is going to be your next unintelligent post. Bring a real lawyer to your next post, a good one in international politics, maybe you'll learn something from him.

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