Just dropped the car off for paint.. pics and writeup! lot of work done!
08-17-04, 11:36 AM
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Jim, First off you knowing someone who paints cars and you actually doing it yourself are two entirely different things. Now thats out of the way. Once you paint a car from start to finish I'll take your words on paint products a little more seriously. The difference between the paints and belive it or not there is. Is in the application. Some are easier or harder to work with than others. I had to laugh when you said, if you pour one and then the other you would not be able to tell the difference. Yea no ****. Because the paint isn't made for how it pours out of a can. Im no expert but the fact is I have painted numerous parts and two ofmy own cars from start to finish. I also own a restoration company. Also my father owned and operated a body shop for over twelve years back when I was a wee lad. So when It comes down to this I know what I am talking about.
Not that the Glasurit is the best paint on the market but it is widely used in upperscale restoration and body shops. That doesn't mean that it "looks" any shiner. LOL
Now that is not always true in some cases the paint actually does produce a nicer appearance, most of what makes someone choose their paint is for applilcation though.
It simply boils down to what the painter likes to shoot and work with. I personally prefer Dupont Chromocolors.
So what I am saying is you guys should take Jim with a grain of salt, he obviously does not know everything and sometimes he is like any other human and tries to state his OPINION as fact. So no harm no foul.
I hope that the paint job turns out nice. I am sure it will. You should add the glasso paint to your mod list in the sig and really **** Jimmy off.
Not that the Glasurit is the best paint on the market but it is widely used in upperscale restoration and body shops. That doesn't mean that it "looks" any shiner. LOL
Now that is not always true in some cases the paint actually does produce a nicer appearance, most of what makes someone choose their paint is for applilcation though.
It simply boils down to what the painter likes to shoot and work with. I personally prefer Dupont Chromocolors.
So what I am saying is you guys should take Jim with a grain of salt, he obviously does not know everything and sometimes he is like any other human and tries to state his OPINION as fact. So no harm no foul.
I hope that the paint job turns out nice. I am sure it will. You should add the glasso paint to your mod list in the sig and really **** Jimmy off.
08-17-04, 11:39 AM
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Good luck on the paint job. Preparation is everything to get a great outcome.
There is a lesson to be learned about posting specifics (brand of paint in this example…) on the forums. Be specific but not too specific because self-proclaimed experts take their knowledge and combine it with personal experience and sometimes bias. These comments can turn an innocent thread into a flame thread.
There is a lesson to be learned about posting specifics (brand of paint in this example…) on the forums. Be specific but not too specific because self-proclaimed experts take their knowledge and combine it with personal experience and sometimes bias. These comments can turn an innocent thread into a flame thread.
08-17-04, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rotoryspeeddreamz
Seriously, I bet a lot of us younger FD owners are more knowledgable about cars then you were at our age.
08-17-04, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by rzograbian
ok, its not a smartass attitude... you know when some really dislikes someone else from their auctions...
i have never really spoken to you nor have i done business with you... look at it from my point of view... i have followed your threads and i admire your knowledge but i have always seen you say bad things or just flat out say "no, thats not right....... this is how it is :" or "your wrong, listen to me, this is the right way"...
im sorry if you took offense to anything that i said but admit that you say bad things alot and i really dont like that! also, if you never posted in this thread, and i got the paintjob with the "ripped off paint" and you looks way better, would it have changed your life as of right now??? no.... its called "waste of time".....
sorry!!
sorry!!
also, i may be 18 (17 for that matter) but what difference does that make? is it written somewhere as soon as someone under the age of 21 buys an fd, hes a smartass, ricer, fast and the furious guy, neon lights ect.... thats called steriotyping..
08-17-04, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rotoryspeeddreamz
Seriously, I bet a lot of us younger FD owners are more knowledgable about cars then you were at our age.
08-17-04, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JaNusSolSumnus
When my car goes down I intend to strip it to a rolling chassis and have it towed into the shop.
2002 Corvette Electron Blue Metallic.
08-17-04, 12:22 PM
#35
Originally Posted by jimlab
There are a lot of opinions out there, obviously, and just as obviously not all of them are based on fact. I know people who paint nationally recognized show cars, and they don't use Glasso/Glasurit.
If I poured DuPont in one unmarked can and Sherwin Williams in another, could you tell the difference? Could your painter? Highly unlikely.
I used Sherwin Williams base coat on my car because the color and finish were what mattered to me, not the name on the paint can. It was still $230+ per gallon, if high price makes it better. My painter decided to go with his shop's DuPont clear and we shelved the Sherwin Williams clear I'd bought for another project, only because of the time of year and climate conditions. Again, the finish was the priority, not a name brand to brag about.
If I poured DuPont in one unmarked can and Sherwin Williams in another, could you tell the difference? Could your painter? Highly unlikely.
I used Sherwin Williams base coat on my car because the color and finish were what mattered to me, not the name on the paint can. It was still $230+ per gallon, if high price makes it better. My painter decided to go with his shop's DuPont clear and we shelved the Sherwin Williams clear I'd bought for another project, only because of the time of year and climate conditions. Again, the finish was the priority, not a name brand to brag about.
Maybe I was unclear. Some things cost more $$ than others, some of that is profit, marketing and some of it is quality. There is NO DOUBT that Glasso/Glasurit is good paint. Is it the best? I don't know, you don't know and I'm not claiming it is.
I've painted cars with Acrylic Enamel back while you were typing out crap on your TRS-80/Apple IIE/Vic 20 or whatever. Good old AE had a great shine for a year or two, then it faded badly. Have you painted a car yourself? Or are you just telling me my bodyguy should come up and fight with your bodyguy to argue about which paint is the best?
Pouring one brand of paint into a can and asking me to tell the difference between brands below you Jim. What the hell is that? MAYBE, IF I had a lot of experience I'd say spray it on your car and leave it in the weather for 5yrs and I could tell the difference, maybe I could.
You paid ~$260 for a gallon of Dupont paint? How many gallons did it take to paint the car? Then how much clear and primer? My Glasurit paint cost $660 for the red car. They didn't paint the engine compartment but they did do the entire car, jambs, doors, 2 sets of mirrors and a R1 spoiler. So how much MORE did I pay than you? Is it really that different.
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08-17-04, 12:36 PM
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all the painters except one (who likes SW ultra 7000 639) I have ever worked with said their favorite clear hands down was dupont croma-premeir. Its much cheaper than basf. Basf is great stuff it just doesn't have any bang for the buck appeal. Just use whatever the painter feels comfortable spraying. spend the money to get it buffed and wet sanded. Also tip the painter a little extra before he sprays it. He should spend a little extra time in the booth with the car making all the diffrence. Money always make the spray gun work better.
08-17-04, 12:46 PM
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mdessouki, thats very true but this is a firend of my dad's so he will "have" to do a ood job...... im heading over there right now to take some pics of the work that was done in 2 days.... also, i forgot to mention that the entire thing is going to be completed in 15 day's.... well see if he can do it!!! (i have a lot of dents!)
08-17-04, 12:49 PM
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As for the paint in two cups you could tell the Sherwin Williams only because that clear is THICK. The dupont should flow a little easier. Im comparing their to of the line clears chroma-premeir and ultra 7000 639. If there just sitting in a cup no you shouldn't be able to tell.
08-17-04, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by turbojeff
Maybe I was unclear. Some things cost more $$ than others, some of that is profit, marketing and some of it is quality. There is NO DOUBT that Glasso/Glasurit is good paint. Is it the best? I don't know, you don't know and I'm not claiming it is.
I've painted cars with Acrylic Enamel back while you were typing out crap on your TRS-80/Apple IIE/Vic 20 or whatever.
Have you painted a car yourself?
Or are you just telling me my bodyguy should come up and fight with your bodyguy to argue about which paint is the best?
You paid ~$260 for a gallon of Dupont paint? How many gallons did it take to paint the car? Then how much clear and primer? My Glasurit paint cost $660 for the red car. They didn't paint the engine compartment but they did do the entire car, jambs, doors, 2 sets of mirrors and a R1 spoiler. So how much MORE did I pay than you? Is it really that different.
rzograbian posted that he was paying $800 for the paint alone, and another $4-500 for the clear. Based on that, I was trying to let him know that if that was the case, he was paying too much for the name.
08-17-04, 01:23 PM
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Jim,
You've got to be kidding me. You throw out cheap comments early and often.
That comment about pouring paint into a can and asking someone to tell the difference is a perfect example of a cheap shot. It isn't a good example/analogy whatever, it is not constructive and doesn't lead you to make any valid point. So if someone comes back with the same you end up not liking it.
So maybe he is paying too much for the Glasso, maybe he could get a better deal like I did.
It's nice to know you sell down other's experience while promoting your own. My painter has been working for a long time, he likes Glasso... Your painter says people waste too much $$ on high end paint. Doesn't make you right.
When I go to the carshow I see EXPENSIVE cars wearing cheap *** tires. What is that about? They don't drive the cars much so maybe they think it isn't worth the $$ to buy good tires. They also don't park the high end show cars in the weather so maybe they don't need paint that will stand up to weather. Maybe there is no difference.
My project CYM materials will come in at about $1000 in Glasso. It'll probably use as much paint if not more than your car because the top and bottom of the floor, inside of the firewall will be painted along with two hoods. It is also a 3-stage paint, color, pearl and clear.
So I'm not really seeing the big cost difference, if anything your paying to much for cheaper paint.
No unresolved issue, you just come across with a little too much opinion like it is fact.
You've got to be kidding me. You throw out cheap comments early and often.
That comment about pouring paint into a can and asking someone to tell the difference is a perfect example of a cheap shot. It isn't a good example/analogy whatever, it is not constructive and doesn't lead you to make any valid point. So if someone comes back with the same you end up not liking it.
So maybe he is paying too much for the Glasso, maybe he could get a better deal like I did.
It's nice to know you sell down other's experience while promoting your own. My painter has been working for a long time, he likes Glasso... Your painter says people waste too much $$ on high end paint. Doesn't make you right.
When I go to the carshow I see EXPENSIVE cars wearing cheap *** tires. What is that about? They don't drive the cars much so maybe they think it isn't worth the $$ to buy good tires. They also don't park the high end show cars in the weather so maybe they don't need paint that will stand up to weather. Maybe there is no difference.
My project CYM materials will come in at about $1000 in Glasso. It'll probably use as much paint if not more than your car because the top and bottom of the floor, inside of the firewall will be painted along with two hoods. It is also a 3-stage paint, color, pearl and clear.
So I'm not really seeing the big cost difference, if anything your paying to much for cheaper paint.
No unresolved issue, you just come across with a little too much opinion like it is fact.
08-17-04, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by turbojeff
It's nice to know you sell down other's experience while promoting your own. My painter has been working for a long time, he likes Glasso... Your painter says people waste too much $$ on high end paint. Doesn't make you right.
My project CYM materials will come in at about $1000 in Glasso. It'll probably use as much paint if not more than your car because the top and bottom of the floor, inside of the firewall will be painted along with two hoods. It is also a 3-stage paint, color, pearl and clear.
So I'm not really seeing the big cost difference, if anything your paying to much for cheaper paint.
No unresolved issue, you just come across with a little too much opinion like it is fact.
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08-17-04, 03:18 PM
#45
Originally Posted by jimlab
Sure it is. 
BASF for even shorter... BASF owns Glasso.
They may use it on European cars, but it's no better (or worse) than BASF, DuPont, Sherwin Williams, or any other automotive paint on the market. You're just paying for the name... and some hype, apparently.
BASF for even shorter... BASF owns Glasso.
They may use it on European cars, but it's no better (or worse) than BASF, DuPont, Sherwin Williams, or any other automotive paint on the market. You're just paying for the name... and some hype, apparently.
Smart *** comment.
You have asserted here that YOU KNOW the paint is no better. You DON'T know that Jim.
Plain and simple.
08-17-04, 03:20 PM
#46
Originally Posted by jimlab
No, I just hate to see you make a fool of yourself by bragging about the name brand of your paint as if it meant something special. It's like telling everyone you painted the den with Ralph Lauren latex, when no one would be able to tell (or care) if you'd used Home Depot's house brand. It's pretentious and boorish.
Smart *** comment.
Again you have no data besides your painter's comments, at least none that you've presented to us.
08-17-04, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
If I poured DuPont in one unmarked can and Sherwin Williams in another, could you tell the difference? Could your painter? Highly unlikely.
Need I go on?
As far as comments about your car, I didn't realize you had such a thin skin about it.
08-17-04, 03:30 PM
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Can't Oregon and Washington State get along? I thought this forum was a place for comraderie? Let's make up and continue the good spirit of this forum, huh? BTW, I'm still in seach of my commuter FD!!!!! J/K, it will be a weekend car or will it be my project car?
08-17-04, 03:43 PM
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Wow! I never thought I'd see turbojeff and jimlab going at it 
In this case, I have to side with Jeff. Jim has offered no proof whatsoever. And since I'm getting my phd in a polymer science deparment which does millions of dollars of research on polymeric coatings (including paints), I *know* for a fact that paints from different manufacturers are different. I couldn't tell you which one was 'better' or if a higher price for Glasso was justified, but then neither can Jim.
In this case, I have to side with Jeff. Jim has offered no proof whatsoever. And since I'm getting my phd in a polymer science deparment which does millions of dollars of research on polymeric coatings (including paints), I *know* for a fact that paints from different manufacturers are different. I couldn't tell you which one was 'better' or if a higher price for Glasso was justified, but then neither can Jim.