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Old 11-10-11, 04:47 AM
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JSPEC ECU Compatibility

I did some searching and seem to have missed finding a satisfying answer....

I'm about to do a 5 speed swap into my jspec car and am trying to decide whether to just purchase a stock jspec ecu, or pick up a used pettit ecu.

Is there any compatibility issues that anyone can think of? Alternatively, is there any definitive answer as regards swapping in a USPEC ECU into my JDM car? I've seen a few related posts regarding this one but, again, no definitive answer.

If anyone knows for sure - it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by FD_James
I did some searching and seem to have missed finding a satisfying answer....

I'm about to do a 5 speed swap into my jspec car and am trying to decide whether to just purchase a stock jspec ecu, or pick up a used pettit ecu.

Is there any compatibility issues that anyone can think of? Alternatively, is there any definitive answer as regards swapping in a USPEC ECU into my JDM car? I've seen a few related posts regarding this one but, again, no definitive answer.

If anyone knows for sure - it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
There is a few extra wires in the Jspec ECU compared to the US ecu I believe.

Now you say you are doing a 5speed swap in your Jspec car, what ecu are you currently running? are you swapping a whole motor+a 5spd? or just doing a tranny swap? need more info.
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Apologies - I could have provided some more detail. The JSPEC motor is staying in it - I'm just swapping out the Auto tranny in favour of a 5 speed. I currently have the Jspec Auto ECU in it which I won't need (and don't think will work) with my new manual transmission. I imagine (and may be wrong here) that the pins would be different between the manual and auto ecu's - correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't been able to find anything so far relating to this.
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Figured that since I was able to get most of the information I needed to do the swap, I owed a clean tutorial on how I did it. Most of the information I found on the 3 main threads were really diluted, hopefully this thread will help out someone else with this swap.

Parts I used for the swap.
5spd tranny
Clutch
Man driveline
Dash from a 5spd including gauge cluster
Shifter
Clutch and Brake pedal assembly
Slave Cyl.
5 spd diff to tranny support
5spd Starter
5spd Flywheel
Might be a part or two I forgot to post here, but it should be in the install instructions.


Disconnect the battery, while you are there unbolt the breather hose from the auto transmission located on the back of the engine intake manifold. Remove the 2 14mm bellhousing bolts now, you will be glad you did when its up in the air.
In the interior of the vehicle, remove the center consol, unbolt the 4 10mm bolts from the shifter and unplug the one cable that attach's to the auto shifter. After you remove the driveline you will be able to pull the cotter pin from the shifter, then remove shifter.

Put the FD3S up in the air. Spray down the exhaust bolts where the DP and the Cat meet up. Remove said bolts. Factory Cat has two connections, one is a temp sensor, the other is the EGR BS tube, remove said connections.

With WD40, spray down the exhaust hangers, then pry out the posts with a flat head screw driver. Exhaust should be removed at this point.

There are a couple aluminum braces under the vehicle that need to be removed, keep the brace under the transmission for now, but remove the rear brace that goes thru the support beam.

remove the transmission / diff suport beam by unbolting the 4 21mm bolts off the tranmission, have someone hold the beam, remove the 5 bolts that attach the beam to the diff. With a little jiggling you should be able to remove the beam.

Place a tranny jack under the rear diff, then unbolt the 4 14mm driveline bolts. find a piece of metal to wedge under the diff to keep it from providing too much pressure on the diff mounts.

Pull the driveline.
If your tranny is level you should not leak any fluid when you pull the driveline.

Pull the cotter pin that attaches the shift linkage to the auto shifter, remove the shifter.

There is no drain bolt for the auto tranny, remove the pleuthora of bolts holding the pan on from the rear and sides, keep the front bolts on, just loosen them up a little. Pry the pan and drain the fluid. Once its drained enought remove the final bolts and drop the pan, drain and reinstall the pan.

Remove the starter by disconnecting the wires and removing the 3 14mm bolts and 1 14mm nut.

remove the electrical connections from the auto tranny and push the wiring harness into the engine bay, out of the way.

On the left side of the tranny you will see the oil lines for the tranny cooler, remove the rubber connections and drain any remaining fluid out of the lines.

At this point the tranny should not have anything else connecting to it, verify.

remove the access pannel from the bottom of the bell housing, this is where you will unbolt the torque converter from the flexplate/flywheel. It is important to note this step, there isnt a whole lot of room to work under the car, leaving the torque converter on the flywheel will keep you from dropping the tranny.

To pull the torque converter you will need a large straight screwdriver to hold the flywheel, there is a notch in the bell housing to faciliate this. Position th first bolt where you have access to it and connect a 14mm wrench to it, with a breaker bar you will be able to remove this bolt. spin the flywheel till you get to the next bolt. There are 4 bolts holding it on, and they are torqued to about 150ft lbs or so. repeat until all bolts are removed.

Tranny is now ready to be pulled place the tranny jack under the transmission, remove the 4 remaining 14 mm bolts from the bell housing (you will have to use a wobbler and a shitton of extentions to get two of them off, have fun).

Once the tranny is unbolted it should easily pull from the engine, you will need to finess it around the DP. lower and place it out of the work area.

To pull the flexplate and you are going to need a 54mm socket and a hell of an impact gun (ImaKethings hooked me up in a big way letting me borrow his BFIG, surge tank, and socket. Thanks bro. If you dont have an impact gun you will need to figure out a way to lock down your flexplate. After the bolt is out I unbolted the flexplate (6 14mm bolts) and placed a pully puller to remove the counter balance.

A quick inspection showed me that the rear main seal was starting to go bad, after a phone call Justin showed up with a new seal, and the pilot bearing. HUGE THANKS TO JUSTIN.

The seal will press in by hand with a little lithium grease. Take your time and keep it centered. The pilot bearing takes a little work but easily slides into position with a few light taps of a hammer, and a socket.

While I was there I made a blockoff plate for the exhaust gas return with a little aluminum and copper RTV, wont be needing that anymore. Also found my stock catalytic converter was toast, good thing I had picked up a new midpipe.

You are now ready to install your flywheel, place some lithium grease on the main seal and the inside of the flywheel. You will also need to slab a little lube on where the key will sit, that will hold the key into the groove so your not F'ing with it. The flywheel should slide on easily, if it doesnt recheck the key to make sure it didnt slide off the groove. Torque down the 54mm nut to 350ft lbs.

Now its time to install your clutch. You have a clutch alignment tool right? I didnt, so I used an extension and electrical tape. works for me. center the clutch disk and install the pressure plate on the guide pins (Once again ImaKethings came thru for me. I didnt pick any up, so he kindly lathed 3 of them out for me. I owe you big time bro.). finger tighten down the 6 14mm clutch bolts. Then tighten down the bolts 1 then 4, 2 then 5, 3 then 6. Tighten down a little at a time to keep everything equal. eventually it should be tight. I dont know the exact spec for the flywheel, but I can tell you its not 150lbs. All 150lbs will do is give you a broken bolt. Yea, I was pissed. I torqued them down to 36ft lbs after I extracted the stud and replaced the bolt.

Take your new throwout bearing lock ring and attach it to the pressure plate, once the tranny is installed all you need to do is actuate the clutch to have it lock into position.

Now its time to mount the tranny, make sure there are no obstructions or wiring harness's in the way. The 5spd tranny is significantly lighter then the auto, so its a lot easier to manhandle. Once its in postition and the input shaft is aligned with the clutch disk start to move it forward. Attach a driveline and rotate to help get the splines aligned. You may need to take a prybar and lift the front of the engine to give it the proper angle. slide on without using bolts to tighten it up. Attach your bell housing bolts and your ready to go.

Now its time to work the driveline. I kept my factory diff instead of buying a 5spd one. You can also remove the companion flange from the 5 spd diff and install on your auto diff, or you can do what I did. I pressed out the driveline flange U joints and swapped them from the auto to the 5 spd. Now I can use the 5 spd driveline and the auto diff.

Install the Tranny / Diff support Beam.

Install all of the aluminum braces, except for the middle one, you will need to do that after the exhaust is installed.

I installed an aftermarket midpipe due to the poor condition of the Cat. Install the rest of your exhaust.

Install the center aluminum brace.

Connect the exhaust gas return hose and the temp sensor on the Cat.

Feed down the clutch actuator and install on the transmission, leave the upper hose laying in the engine compartment

Install and wire your starter (If you have one, I am still looking for one).

Lower the vehicle, we will do wiring at a later time, with pictures.

From the driverside interior unbolt the clutch mount block off plate, 2 12MM bolts and remove the block off plate. Place the slave cyl into the mount holes and prop it from behind to keep it from pushing back when you install the clutch pedal.

Remove the brake petal assembly ( or trim down your factory brake pedal ) by removing a cotter pin and brake plunger retention pin, remove the 7 12MM bolts (4 on the face of the mount 1 above, 2 on the steering column). Replace with your new brake petal assembly.

Install the Clutch petal assembly 3 12MM bolts (2 on the face, 1 above) Make sure to align the plunger into the slave cyl.

Install the actuator hose assembly with the slave cyl. Remove the blockoff cap on your master cyl and quickly plug in the hose to the slave cyl. ensure all connections are tight. (There is no reason to replace your brake booster and master cyl, they are identical from the 5 spd to the Auto).

At this point I removed the dash, there are a metric **** ton of plastic interior pieces that need to be removed to do this, have fun and take your time. The only bolts that hold on the dash are 1 12mm bolt center dash by the defrost vent, remove access panel and remove bolt. 2 12MM bolts located driver side behind the door vent panel. 2 12MM bolts on the pass side same location. and 4 12MM bolts center console behind the leg rest panel and the opposite panel, you will need to remove the carpet panel to get to them (they are designed to be moved). Slowly pull the dash to find the plethora of cables that will need to be unplugged. Then remove dash.

Install the starter, the factory Auto harness will be used for the rest of the install. The starter harness installs the same from the auto to the man starter.

Fill the transmission with gear oil, check the service manual for factory recommended. I ran with Redline 90weight. Should take 2.5Q to fill.

The starter inhibitor can be bypassed by wiring the two larger wires on the big grey connector together. The connector should be located near the starter, it was the main harness connector to the auto tranny.

On the same harness you need to connect wire 2 and wire 7 to the reverse switch on the tranny. This will get your reverse lights to function. If you are looking at the connector, and the larger gauge wires are on the bottom, it is the top left wires. They are located right next to each other. (sorry no pics).

I changed out the entire dash rather than rewire the dash harness. Install you new harness, rewire your factory harness, or install your 5spd dash. Wire your gauge cluster, bolt up the steering column recheck all wiring harness's.

Fill the transmission shifter location with 90 weight and install the shifter center console and shift boot. Check your wiring harness connectors again.

You can run the factory automatic ECU with this setup. I picked up a PFC for my install but have yet to install it.

Test for your reverse lights, ensure your clutch line is bled, and your wiring harness's are connected properly. Start your car and break in that new clutch.


enjoy
Looks like you can use the automatic ecu, but keep in mind you will have to do some wiring. Hope this helps.

Also some stuff about Jspec motor + Auto Harness.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/automatic-manual-swap-fd-723575/
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Also, from what I understand so far, the extra wires in the US ECU control emissions related bits which won't be a problem for me. The concern is, are the rest of the pins in the same position? I've read some info that states the injector rails are positioned differently on the JSPEC car which doesn't necessarily mean anything, but because I don't know, I am a bit worried that the wiring may also be different. I'd like to think that the factory would have kept the pins exactly the same with the emissions ones being ADDITIONAL in order to keep manufacturing simple, so for me, if I were to put a USDM ECU in the car, those pins would just be blanked out, not causing me any problems. However, everytime I assume........
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Thanks a lot Dan - I think I was being too specific in my search - appreciate your time/patience!
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Extra wiring is fine, I'm planning to cheap out and re-use my firewall and dash harness as well!
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What year is your 7?
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Ok check this out. Here is a US ECU pinout.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/r...Mazda_RX-7.php


Save that page because im looking for a Jspec pinout and you should be able to pull both those pages up and confirm that they are the same or different.
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outstanding - thanks!
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Damn its hard to find a Jspec ECU pinout.

But from what I gathered here are some differences
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1V - overheat lamp (yay!)
2I - US heat hazard sensor, JDM it translates to "kiyataanpu", original word is キャタアンプ.
3B - US EL Unit, JDM AC Amplifier
3J - US EGR switch (Cali), JDM rear defroster
3K - Solenoid Relief 2, JDM is blank
4F - Split air bypass, JDM is blank
4O - EGR solenoid US, JDM seems to be TNS (tail, number, stop - ie, parking lights) input
4P - US AWS system, JDM the second link shows as a fan input or output, but that could be wrong."

So looks like some things are infact different.
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Figures! I read somewhere (can't remember where now) that the JSPEC heat hazard lamp is something else - wish I could remember what, I just remember it being rather benign.
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I think I read that you dont need that, but I am probably wrong.

If anyone has a link to a Jspec ECU pinout that would help out alot thanks!
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I remember - it's more of a knock sensor than exhaust heat - so it gets kind of sensitive with aftermarket exhaust on it etc and starts going on and off when there is no issue with knock - at least that's how I remember the story. Short version is, like you said, you don't need it.....
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This is what I needed and found first search tonight.......so now it's here too.

https://www.rx7club.com/power-fc-forum-47/deciphering-jdm-ecu-pinouts-615909/
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