It's Monday. My car is screwed. Now with pics!
Originally Posted by SNracing

heh, few photoshop idea's here
have you thought about getting a lawyer? good luck man, hope your car get's fixed quickly.
(A) Damon Ripping the head off of the garbage man. Then pulling the garbage out of the garbage mans chest.... Then Damon punting the garbage mans head into the back of the garbage truck, GOAL!. Blood everywhere!.
(B) Damon ripping out one of the supporting beams of the car port and beating the garbage man over the head, smashing it to death. Bood everywhere!.
(C) Damon inserting the garbage man in the back of the garbage truck, dissmembering the garbage man piece by piece. Damon pulling the lever. Garbage mans body parts everywhere, (arms, legs, torso, head, on the grass)Blood everywhere!.
PS. Sorry about your car Damon. If there is anything I can help you with, PM me! Muuwhahahahaaa!
Last edited by RX7UP; Apr 6, 2005 at 01:33 PM.
Originally Posted by DamonB
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Good luck with the outcome. And keep us updated.
That seems to be a poorly-designed carport also. Notice the apparent lack of triangulation (bracing / support) in the direction that it collapsed. The architect/engineer who designed it and the inspector who signed it off are both partly responsible for the damage to your car. Depending on your state's laws, and how long it's been since it was built, their insurance companies (architect & inspector) might cover your damages also.
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Originally Posted by scotty305
That seems to be a poorly-designed carport also. Notice the apparent lack of triangulation (bracing / support) in the direction that it collapsed. The architect/engineer who designed it and the inspector who signed it off are both partly responsible for the damage to your car. Depending on your state's laws, and how long it's been since it was built, their insurance companies (architect & inspector) might cover your damages also.
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I appreciate your guys thoughts but regardless of anyone else's thinking about how the structure was built history says that the structure was perfectly fine. It has survived several bad storms that damaged other carports nearby. The structure did not fail due to a flaw in design, it failed because it was not designed to stand up to the impact of a garbage truck
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it.
The city has accepted full responsibility for the damage to the structure and the cars. I should have word from their adjustor today; they examined my car Tuesday morning. My goal isn't to get more than I deserve, only to have the car repaired correctly.
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it. The city has accepted full responsibility for the damage to the structure and the cars. I should have word from their adjustor today; they examined my car Tuesday morning. My goal isn't to get more than I deserve, only to have the car repaired correctly.
Last edited by DamonB; Apr 7, 2005 at 12:11 PM.
Originally Posted by DamonB
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it.
Originally Posted by DamonB
My goal isn't to get more than I deserve, only to have the car repaired correctly.
Again, good luck with your repairs and hopefully it doesn't cut too far into your auto-x/track schedule.
Originally Posted by DamonB
I appreciate your guys thoughts but regardless of anyone else's thinking about how the structure was built history says that the structure was perfectly fine. It has survived several bad storms that damaged other carports nearby. The structure did not fail due to a flaw in design, it failed because it was not designed to stand up to the impact of a garbage truck
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it.
The city has accepted full responsibility for the damage to the structure and the cars. I should have word from their adjustor today; they examined my car Tuesday morning. My goal isn't to get more than I deserve, only to have the car repaired correctly.
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it. The city has accepted full responsibility for the damage to the structure and the cars. I should have word from their adjustor today; they examined my car Tuesday morning. My goal isn't to get more than I deserve, only to have the car repaired correctly.
Now that your car has been tarnished it's value has depreciated regardless of a perfect repair....
Get more money than the repair will cost...
This accident will come up in a carfax report or similar etc... Thus making it harder to resell at a book value or higher asking price!
Sue the city and that Blind Hill Billy Bastard Garbage Truck Driver for recking your car!
Get a lawers professional opinion/consultation. Its free!
RX7UP
Last edited by RX7UP; Apr 7, 2005 at 01:00 PM.
Originally Posted by DamonB
The structure did not fail due to a flaw in design, it failed because it was not designed to stand up to the impact of a garbage truck
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it.
There is no way the guy who built the carport can be liable for the damage caused by a very large truck backing into it. The state building codes will dictate what sort of things a structure should be able to withstand; if it's not built to code, the people who designed and approved it are to be held responsible for that. I know this because my father is an inspector. He's got to keep records and blueprints for all the structures he's approved, in case something like this happens.
I'm not saying that you should try and cheat the system. I'm saying that if the carport wasn't built to code, the people responsible for that need to hear about it. In this case, it's not a big deal because nobody got hurt, but overhead buildings shouldn't fall down like that. I've built patios that are more sturdy than that.
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Originally Posted by scotty305
The state building codes will dictate what sort of things a structure should be able to withstand; if it's not built to code, the people who designed and approved it are to be held responsible for that. I know this because my father is an inspector. He's got to keep records and blueprints for all the structures he's approved, in case something like this happens.
I'm not saying that you should try and cheat the system. I'm saying that if the carport wasn't built to code, the people responsible for that need to hear about it. In this case, it's not a big deal because nobody got hurt, but overhead buildings shouldn't fall down like that. I've built patios that are more sturdy than that.
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I'm not saying that you should try and cheat the system. I'm saying that if the carport wasn't built to code, the people responsible for that need to hear about it. In this case, it's not a big deal because nobody got hurt, but overhead buildings shouldn't fall down like that. I've built patios that are more sturdy than that.
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You would be surprised the things that buildings are supposed to be able to withstand. I'm not sure about the codes for your state, but in California our buildings need to be somewhat earthquake-proof, fireproof, and believe it or not, some of them need to be strong enough to not completely collapse when a truck runs in to them. There are all sort of rules, including how many nails must be used per foot, how many coats of paint must be applied, and how strong a roof must be. These rules are even more strict for commercial buildings, which might or might not include condo or apartment complex carports.
Again, I am not familiar enough with these things to make an authoritative statement like "that should not have collapsed when a 5-ton truck hit it at 10mph." What I am saying is that looks like a shoddy job: all the pillars are in one line, they don't form a plane. There is only cross-bracing in one dimension, which is also a big no-no. Look at it again:


Don't take my word for it. Ask someone who knows about building stuff, and get their opinion. I could be totally off base. But if I'm right, and the architect and builder was just trying to save $50 worth of lumber and bolts by ignoring "a few silly building codes," wouldn't you be pretty pissed if that's what caused your car's roof to be crushed?
Also , don't mistake my focus on the builders as any indication that I don't blame the driver. He is very much at fault for hitting that. Drivers are required to have special licenses and/or certifications to operate heavy equipment, and he might need to have his revoked. Better that he crushed a carport than killed a child before he realized that he needs to shape up or find another career where his thoughtlessness can't kill people.
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Again, I am not familiar enough with these things to make an authoritative statement like "that should not have collapsed when a 5-ton truck hit it at 10mph." What I am saying is that looks like a shoddy job: all the pillars are in one line, they don't form a plane. There is only cross-bracing in one dimension, which is also a big no-no. Look at it again:


Don't take my word for it. Ask someone who knows about building stuff, and get their opinion. I could be totally off base. But if I'm right, and the architect and builder was just trying to save $50 worth of lumber and bolts by ignoring "a few silly building codes," wouldn't you be pretty pissed if that's what caused your car's roof to be crushed?
Also , don't mistake my focus on the builders as any indication that I don't blame the driver. He is very much at fault for hitting that. Drivers are required to have special licenses and/or certifications to operate heavy equipment, and he might need to have his revoked. Better that he crushed a carport than killed a child before he realized that he needs to shape up or find another career where his thoughtlessness can't kill people.
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Last edited by scotty305; Apr 7, 2005 at 04:19 PM.
I'm w/ Scotty on this one, in that there is more to buildings than meet's the eye. You'd be surprised what a building is approved to withstand... And on that note:
Actually Dom, here's the certified truth:
"The towers were built to withstand the stresses of hurricane-force winds and to survive the heat of ordinary fires. After the 1993 trade center bombing, one of the engineers who worked on the towers' structural design in the 1960's even claimed that each one had been built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded, fully fueled Boeing 707, then the heaviest aircraft flying." That was from http://www.punjabilok.com/america_un..._tobe_safe.htm, and this point was made many times over after 9/11, since engineers were bewildered at why the towers crumbled as they did, because they weren't supposed to.
Long story short, there's a lot that goes into building structures and what they are designed to withstand - and many times, that's the most outlanding and extreme scenario one can come up with.
Originally Posted by HDP
just like the two towers were not designed to survive the amount damage they sustained.
"The towers were built to withstand the stresses of hurricane-force winds and to survive the heat of ordinary fires. After the 1993 trade center bombing, one of the engineers who worked on the towers' structural design in the 1960's even claimed that each one had been built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded, fully fueled Boeing 707, then the heaviest aircraft flying." That was from http://www.punjabilok.com/america_un..._tobe_safe.htm, and this point was made many times over after 9/11, since engineers were bewildered at why the towers crumbled as they did, because they weren't supposed to.
Long story short, there's a lot that goes into building structures and what they are designed to withstand - and many times, that's the most outlanding and extreme scenario one can come up with.
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
I'm w/ Scotty on this one, in that there is more to buildings than meet's the eye. You'd be surprised what a building is approved to withstand... And on that note:
Actually Dom, here's the certified truth:
"The towers were built to withstand the stresses of hurricane-force winds and to survive the heat of ordinary fires. After the 1993 trade center bombing, one of the engineers who worked on the towers' structural design in the 1960's even claimed that each one had been built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded, fully fueled Boeing 707, then the heaviest aircraft flying." That was from http://www.punjabilok.com/america_un..._tobe_safe.htm, and this point was made many times over after 9/11, since engineers were bewildered at why the towers crumbled as they did, because they weren't supposed to.
Long story short, there's a lot that goes into building structures and what they are designed to withstand - and many times, that's the most outlanding and extreme scenario one can come up with.
Actually Dom, here's the certified truth:
"The towers were built to withstand the stresses of hurricane-force winds and to survive the heat of ordinary fires. After the 1993 trade center bombing, one of the engineers who worked on the towers' structural design in the 1960's even claimed that each one had been built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded, fully fueled Boeing 707, then the heaviest aircraft flying." That was from http://www.punjabilok.com/america_un..._tobe_safe.htm, and this point was made many times over after 9/11, since engineers were bewildered at why the towers crumbled as they did, because they weren't supposed to.
Long story short, there's a lot that goes into building structures and what they are designed to withstand - and many times, that's the most outlanding and extreme scenario one can come up with.
Originally Posted by scotty305
Don't take my word for it. Ask someone who knows about building stuff, and get their opinion.
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You can look at the damage and tell that the driver probably didn't just hit it but probably continued to push it because he probably wasn't aware he had hit it. For what it's worth, the builder/designer probably didn't take into account (and probably not city code either) that a trash truck with 500 + lb tq would act as a bulldozer against the structure.






