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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 08:59 AM
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Installing Oil Pan Today...

I have read a lot of threads on installing the oil pan, but there's no info on actually laying down the bead of sealant. The FSM says to lay a continuous bead on the inner edge of the block and then install the pan but I was considering a double bead (inner and outer edge) but wanted to get a few opinions before hand. I'm also install the Gotham Racing oil pan brace with studs rather than bolts. FYI, the engine is on a stand.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 09:43 AM
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It does not matter if you use one bead in the middle or two smaller beads. We use one bead and prefer the gray silicone sealant.

What matters is:
(1) that you do not use so much that it squirts into the pan when tightening. This can end up clogging the oil pump strainer if it comes loose.
(2) place a small bead around each bolt oil for the pan and the engine mounts.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 09:55 AM
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Spread the bead out to an even thickness and leave a small space around the bolt holes so the sealer will not go into the hole.If the hole has sealer in it and the bolt packs it in the alum can crack .Let the sealer set up as per instructions on the tube or can,and do not put in the oil untill the dry time has passed,also noted on the product . Your fuel rail came Friday ,I will mill it Monday .
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 10:11 AM
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Spread the bead out to an even thickness and leave a small space around the bolt holes so the sealer will not go into the hole.If the hole has sealer in it and the bolt packs it in the alum can crack .Let the sealer set up as per instructions on the tube or can,and do not put in the oil untill the dry time has passed,also noted on the product . Your fuel rail came Friday ,I will mill it Monday .
Thanks David. I paid Shannon the amount we agreed on yesterday also. We tried to call you last night but got a busy signal.
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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To add to the above:

if possible use 'the right stuff for imports.' It's amazing, much better than run of the mill silicone. I've found it at pep boys and advance auto.

Also it can't hurt to dimple the oil pan and the underside of the motor to increase the surface area, and make sure your oil pan edges are nice and straight---I use a brass hammer and block of wood. Last thing, if the nuts aren't flanged make sure you use some beefy washers.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 06:56 AM
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To add to the above:

if possible use 'the right stuff for imports.' It's amazing, much better than run of the mill silicone. I've found it at pep boys and advance auto.
The only thing I found was the regular "the right stuff". They didn't carry the kind for imports. Will it make a big difference?

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Also it can't hurt to dimple the oil pan and the underside of the motor to increase the surface area, and make sure your oil pan edges are nice and straight---I use a brass hammer and block of wood. Last thing, if the nuts aren't flanged make sure you use some beefy washers.
Would using a rough grit sand paper create the same effect as dimpling? Also, 5/8" washers are probably the largest that will fit inside the pan lip.
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 07:04 AM
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GoodfellaFD3S - do you have a pic of a dimpled pan?
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Originally Posted by HDP
The only thing I found was the regular "the right stuff". They didn't carry the kind for imports. Will it make a big difference?


Would using a rough grit sand paper create the same effect as dimpling? Also, 5/8" washers are probably the largest that will fit inside the pan lip.
Man, you guys are up early, lol.

The right stuff is probably fine. I've used both.

I would go ahead and use a punch and hammer to dimple everything, I don't think sanding it will create as dramatic an effect.

Are you using the moroso stud kit?
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Man, you guys are up early, lol.
"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise"...
I've got the healthy part, working on the wealthy part, and haven't figured out the wise part (I still own an RX7)


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Are you using the moroso stud kit?
https://www.rx7club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=283
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 04:27 PM
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I may make some oil pan reinforce braces to sell if there is enought interest .They will be mild steel .Mine is SS but that cost to much and is harder to cut .
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"The Right Stuff" is what I'm going to use next. That regular super high temp silicone wasn't cutting it. Oil pan install while the motor is in the car is a pain in the ***.
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I may make some oil pan reinforce braces to sell if there is enought interest .They will be mild steel .Mine is SS but that cost to much and is harder to cut .
How will yours be different than the ones Gotham Racing is already selling?
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Old Jan 7, 2007 | 08:26 PM
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Oil Pan Brace, Stud Kit and or Washers and The Right Stuff for Imports FTW!!!
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Aye whats the difference between the regular "The Right Stuff" and the one for imports?
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Goodfella , I did not know Steve has oil pan rings so I can not answer your guestion .My ring will be made from the patterm that I made to cut the part on my car .The ones I will sell will be made from mild steel 3/16 inch thick .The price will be below $ 100 if all goes as planned and there is an interest .Mine is SS and has been on the car for several years now .Sence I have hard pipes ,To keep the motor at the same level as before the brace ,I milled the motor mounts down the thickness of the ring .
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Originally Posted by TRISPEEDFD3S
Aye whats the difference between the regular "The Right Stuff" and the one for imports?
The right stuff for imports is grey in color and they claim 'high vibration, high torque load' on the can.

the regular right stuff is black in color and they dont make the above claim.
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A mechanic I go to says he uses the regular The Right Stuff and has never had a leak.
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The mechanic I'm talking about in the above statements name is Seth, the former owner of Puresports. All he works on is Rotary.
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Originally Posted by TRISPEEDFD3S
The mechanic I'm talking about in the above statements name is Seth, the former owner of Puresports. All he works on is Rotary.
That guy has zero credibility in my book :

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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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I've been hearing when sealing the pan, you should reinstall the motor mounts because I think the driver side mount presses on the pan in one spot. This was discussed in the thread about motor mounts.
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Originally Posted by White94RX
I've been hearing when sealing the pan, you should reinstall the motor mounts because I think the driver side mount presses on the pan in one spot. This was discussed in the thread about motor mounts.
That only applies to the aluminum driver's side mount.
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by HDP
That only applies to the aluminum driver's side mount.

I would put them both on if not just for piece of mind. I would also recommend you chase the threads on the motor mount holes before getting them bolted up. If you get some sealant in there, it will end up tearing up the threads (don't ask how I know).
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
The right stuff for imports is grey in color and they claim 'high vibration, high torque load' on the can.

the regular right stuff is black in color and they dont make the above claim.
Did a little research...
the right stuff for imports is a silicone base material, which is a known fact, will degrade over time when in contact with oil. http://www.permatex.com/documents/ms...lish/34311.pdf


The regular right stuff is a elastomeric rubber type material which probably will be less likely to degrade when in contact with oil. http://www.permatex.com/documents/ms...lish/25223.pdf
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