3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

I need a lecture on boost...

Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:02 AM
  #1  
saeedm's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay
I need a lecture on boost...

The owner before me gave me a problem list and one item was: SEQUENTIAL TURBO SYSTEM DOES NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY (NO CHARGE OVER AFTER 4500 RPM). So, I raced over to Kragen this morning (first time driving it ) to buy a boost gauge -- I don't care about looks or fit at this point, I'm just looking to get some readings and diagnose my 2nd turbo trouble. 1 hour and 5 different rubber fittings later I found a snug fit between the included vacuum line and the once-capped nipple on the manifold. I routed it through the hood/windshield crack and into the passenger window where my brother held the gauge for me. Then it was off to get some readings...but traffic made it tough to get any. First thing that surprised me (at first): At idle with the car warmed up, I was getting -18psi -- VACUUM. I was expecting the needle to never drop below 0...But then it made sense once I realized that the gauge is hooked up to the part of the engine that sucks in air. 'OK, well as soon as the turbo spins up I should be getting some positive psi values....' Well, after some pretty rough driving I was lucky if I got the needle even up to 0psi...It just hung around the vacuum area the whole time. I'm sorry I can't get exact readings, my brother paid little attention to the gauge and I was having too much fun...Tomorrow I'll get some real readings.

Well, here come the questions:
How come some gauges have a vacuum reading and some don't? Will both work on this car? Is the nipple on the manifold the correct spot? I've seen people install gauges along the lines of the actual turbo system, with a T connector...what's the difference?
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:23 AM
  #2  
grimple1's Avatar
Turd Ferguson
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 2
From: Sherman Oaks, California
I can answer one of your questions. The nipple on the manifold should be ok. As long as it's getting pressurized. There should be a few locations you could plug into on the UIM.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 01:39 PM
  #3  
saeedm's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay
Originally Posted by grimple1
I can answer one of your questions. The nipple on the manifold should be ok. As long as it's getting pressurized. There should be a few locations you could plug into on the UIM.
Would a gauge without a vacuum reading work from here? I assume it would simply stay at 0 when vacuum occurs.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:09 PM
  #4  
proz07's Avatar
looking for 82-83 corolla
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 451
Likes: 0
From: ar
simple answer is YES you can use just a boost gauge... BUT most will tell you to have vac/boost for the reason of trouble shooting IE: low vac may be weak engine----no vac eratic idle could be vac leak
i would have a mix gauge but your choice.
one other thing i would recommend for you seeing you know almost nill about turbos would be the book MAXIMUM BOOST by corky bell. but that will only help with basics on turbo systems. a good source for all the rotary related problems is well here of course just try to search before asking most ?'s have been answered here already.
later
z


Originally Posted by mpmahani
Would a gauge without a vacuum reading work from here? I assume it would simply stay at 0 when vacuum occurs.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:34 PM
  #5  
grimple1's Avatar
Turd Ferguson
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 2
From: Sherman Oaks, California
it wouldn't show anything.. just stay at 0. so you're correct again.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:38 PM
  #6  
saeedm's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay
I got some boost numbers:
18-20in/hg Vac at idle (depending on how warmed up the car is).
1st turbo works great, shoots up to 10psi right away on WOT (3rd and 4th gears).
Just before 4500k rpm it dips down to 8psi and then sort of trails off to ~5psi.
I can definitely tell theres no action from the 2nd turbo...driving at 70mph in 3rd gear with WOT gives little to no boost (~3-5psi).

*The only mods to the car are a downpipe and exhaust

Last edited by saeedm; Sep 16, 2007 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Wrong units for vacuum
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:43 PM
  #7  
alexdimen's Avatar
TANSTAFL
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,770
Likes: 128
From: Richmond, Va.
There is no way you are pulling -20 psi unless you have a clog in your air inlets/filter. Inches of mercury is probably what the guage is reading. ~17 in/hg is normal vacuum.
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:45 PM
  #8  
saeedm's Avatar
Thread Starter
Full Member
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 142
Likes: 0
From: SF Bay
^ my mistake, you're right
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:55 PM
  #9  
alexdimen's Avatar
TANSTAFL
Tenured Member 15 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,770
Likes: 128
From: Richmond, Va.
As far as the secondary goes... I've rebuilt mine, but have not had the luxury of diagnosing boost issues, so I can;t help.

This site has some good stuff. http://www.wrex-racing.com/web/fd/info.htm

...and this diagram will probably be helpful.

Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:08 PM
  #10  
jmadams74's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 526
Likes: 5
From: Atlanta
Your problem is a very typical one. It could be anything as simple as a bad check valve or more complicated as in a bad TCA/TC solenoid(s)--there are two, CRV, Charge control actuator/Charge control solenoid. This sounds intimidating (at least it did to me) but there is plenty of material on how to trouble shoot and fix all of these items on our site. Start with the "T" section in the FAQ's. Good luck and welcome to the wacky world of our twin turbos (which are fantasic when working properly)!
--Jeff
Reply
Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:09 PM
  #11  
grimple1's Avatar
Turd Ferguson
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,047
Likes: 2
From: Sherman Oaks, California
here's a single turbo setup:

Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Chris Ng
Single Turbo RX-7's
4
Jun 9, 2004 12:59 AM
vspecpgt
Single Turbo RX-7's
2
Nov 13, 2003 06:06 PM
hypntyz7
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
25
Dec 12, 2002 01:09 AM
1bad7
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
5
Jul 5, 2002 03:09 PM
i_piss_on_hondas
Rotary Car Performance
5
Feb 2, 2002 01:54 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:22 AM.