3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

I have a starting problem

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-01-05, 12:50 PM
  #1  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have a starting problem

Recently, i remove the cold start system, and the car idle is very rough at the begining ?? (i believe it is normal since it had no cold start sys.) later on the idle is going up and down around 850 - 1200, once the car done with warm up the idle stay around 800-850.

In some reason, the car is hard to start when hot too. it needs to crack for 5-6 sec. BTW: it has a lot of gas smell too, i know is running too rich; can i use wideband and PFC to reduce it ??

BTW, the car cant run properly under 3000rpm, but once the idle hit 3k or up it is fine. Is it any method to reduce the noise from the exhaust ? (i have T78, race port, DP, MP, and stock exhuast [still loud once it hit 3k])

thx Sindy
Old 08-02-05, 11:13 AM
  #2  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
anyone ^^^^^
Old 09-06-05, 01:30 PM
  #3  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
anyone plz~~~
Old 09-07-05, 10:51 AM
  #4  
What's your point ?

 
CantGoStraight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Gainesville, Fla.
Posts: 3,573
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With a T-78, DP and MP it's going to be loud evven with the stock cat back. Should be bearable though. Not sure what to tell you other than try adjusting the adjustment screw on the TB under the Elbow and see if that will help level it out.
Old 09-07-05, 10:56 AM
  #5  
Racecar - Formula 2000

 
DaveW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bath, OH
Posts: 3,850
Received 277 Likes on 198 Posts
Originally Posted by BlueSprite
Recently, i remove the cold start system, and the car idle is very rough at the begining ?? (i believe it is normal since it had no cold start sys.) later on the idle is going up and down around 850 - 1200, once the car done with warm up the idle stay around 800-850.

In some reason, the car is hard to start when hot too. it needs to crack for 5-6 sec. BTW: it has a lot of gas smell too, i know is running too rich; can i use wideband and PFC to reduce it ??

BTW, the car cant run properly under 3000rpm, but once the idle hit 3k or up it is fine. Is it any method to reduce the noise from the exhaust ? (i have T78, race port, DP, MP, and stock exhuast [still loud once it hit 3k])

thx Sindy
Leaky injectors can cause rich running (in extreme cases, flooding and non-starts) at startup.
Old 09-07-05, 11:01 AM
  #6  
Lives on the Forum

 
rynberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: San Lorenzo, California
Posts: 14,716
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Your post above seems to imply that you are running a large ported motor with a T-78 on the stock ecu or an untuned PFC.

I would guess that your engine is probably on the way out, given your symptoms of hard hot starting, rough idle, and poor low-end power.
Old 09-07-05, 11:20 AM
  #7  
Newbie
 
Trahan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Quebec, Canada
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
About your starting problem

I'm natively speaking french so I'll do by best for you to understand me. I have had the same problem on my Impreza. It surely is one of these 3 problems : either the catalyst ( there is restriction )... you should simply take it off.. you dont need one if your under 1995. Then, i'd check the mass air flow ( air flow meter ) and the oxygen sensor. It must be one of those things. Restriction always cause starting and idle problems.
Old 09-07-05, 11:23 AM
  #8  
Rotary Freak
 
alberto_mg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: nyc+li, ny
Posts: 2,690
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Trahan - stick to Imprezas. The FD is totally different and none of the above is applicable.
Old 09-07-05, 11:25 AM
  #9  
Place your ad here...

 
saxyman990's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Trahan
I'm natively speaking french so I'll do by best for you to understand me. I have had the same problem on my Impreza. It surely is one of these 3 problems : either the catalyst ( there is restriction )... you should simply take it off.. you dont need one if your under 1995. Then, i'd check the mass air flow ( air flow meter ) and the oxygen sensor. It must be one of those things. Restriction always cause starting and idle problems.
Ho boy, where to start?

First of all, he lives in California. It's not as simple as "removing the cat," because he still needs it for emissions (US emissions standards started in the late 70s. All cars after that are required to have one). Second, we don't have mass air flow meters on FDs. They are a speed-density system (not MAF). Please don't give advice for FD owners based on Impreza experiences. It really doesn't work that well.

-Rob
Old 09-07-05, 12:41 PM
  #10  
What's your point ?

 
CantGoStraight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Gainesville, Fla.
Posts: 3,573
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by saxyman990
Ho boy, where to start?

First of all, he lives in California. It's not as simple as "removing the cat," because he still needs it for emissions (US emissions standards started in the late 70s. All cars after that are required to have one). Second, we don't have mass air flow meters on FDs. They are a speed-density system (not MAF). Please don't give advice for FD owners based on Impreza experiences. It really doesn't work that well.

-Rob
I'm not sure why you guys are telling him to remove the main cat ???? he's running a DP, and MP with the stock catback.? ? ? ?
Old 09-07-05, 12:47 PM
  #11  
Place your ad here...

 
saxyman990's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by CantGoStraight
I'm not sure why you guys are telling him to remove the main cat ???? he's running a DP, and MP with the stock catback.? ? ? ?
I wasn't (althought, I didn't really read his initial post). I was correcting mis-information from the canadian Impreza dude.

-Rob
Old 09-07-05, 01:12 PM
  #12  
Birds can DRIFT YO...!!!!

 
birdy01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: California
Posts: 697
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
lol
Old 09-07-05, 01:45 PM
  #13  
What's your point ?

 
CantGoStraight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Gainesville, Fla.
Posts: 3,573
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by saxyman990
I wasn't (althought, I didn't really read his initial post). I was correcting mis-information from the canadian Impreza dude.

-Rob
That's my point obviously he didn't read the post other wise he woulfn't have posted what he did.....then again maybe he would have, after all he drives an Imprezza ! ! ! ! LOL
Old 09-07-05, 02:01 PM
  #14  
Place your ad here...

 
saxyman990's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
I think the fact that he stated "I'd check the mass air flow meter" pretty much speaks for itself. hehe

-Rob
Old 09-07-05, 05:40 PM
  #15  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by rynberg
Your post above seems to imply that you are running a large ported motor with a T-78 on the stock ecu or an untuned PFC.

I would guess that your engine is probably on the way out, given your symptoms of hard hot starting, rough idle, and poor low-end power.
The engine has those kind of symptoms, but i just had an engine rebuilt. I m thinking will that cause by the injectors, maybe !? For sure, i have an untuned PFC. BTW, when i start up the car when cold, it starts up fine w/o any problem.

I m thinking should i go buy a wideband with o2 to get it tune first !? Or put back the Stock ECU to drive in break-in period ??

thx
Old 09-07-05, 05:45 PM
  #16  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Trahan
I'm natively speaking french so I'll do by best for you to understand me. I have had the same problem on my Impreza. It surely is one of these 3 problems : either the catalyst ( there is restriction )... you should simply take it off.. you dont need one if your under 1995. Then, i'd check the mass air flow ( air flow meter ) and the oxygen sensor. It must be one of those things. Restriction always cause starting and idle problems.
Thx i understand what you said, but i believe it is different than Impreza.
I remove the cat, i have T78 (no AFM), the O2 is fine working. And i m thinking about the fuel injectors, putting too much fuel. i guess!?? i just have to do adjustment on PFC, but i m thinking about to do in dyno shop but the car is in break-in period now....
Old 09-07-05, 06:02 PM
  #17  
Lives on the Forum

 
rynberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: San Lorenzo, California
Posts: 14,716
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by BlueSprite
The engine has those kind of symptoms, but i just had an engine rebuilt. I m thinking will that cause by the injectors, maybe !? For sure, i have an untuned PFC. BTW, when i start up the car when cold, it starts up fine w/o any problem.

I m thinking should i go buy a wideband with o2 to get it tune first !? Or put back the Stock ECU to drive in break-in period ??

thx
Who rebuilt the engine for you? Who installed it? Do you have bored-out or aftermarket injectors? Upgraded fuel system? Your symptoms could also be caused by a bad FPR or FPR solenoid or very badly leaking/poorly installed injectors.

The PFC doesn't use the AWS system on cold starts so that is not your cold-start problem.

No offense, but it sounds like you've gotten in over your head going single turbo and you are not doing things properly!
Old 09-08-05, 04:07 PM
  #18  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yes, the things that i did is not properly, and now i m trying to fix it up.
Well, i was thinking the FPR and the injectors, but i remember i did a flow test on those before install it back to the car..... Since you brought this up, is it possible i can check on the fuel injectors is leaking or not ??

Just remind you guys, i have running 550/1300 with stock FPR; and it is dumping to much fuel
Old 09-09-05, 11:13 AM
  #19  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
how can i check the injectors is working properly ??

and how can i chekc the FPR solenoid , and where is the FPR solenoid at ??


thx
Old 09-13-05, 03:24 PM
  #20  
Full Member

Thread Starter
 
BlueSprite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
anyone .......

bump^^^
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
trickster
2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992)
25
07-01-23 04:40 PM
alphawolff
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
17
11-17-15 05:57 PM
1993fd3sracer1
3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002)
29
10-13-15 01:57 PM
1993fd3sracer1
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
20
09-07-15 11:50 AM



Quick Reply: I have a starting problem



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:26 PM.