SammyD

So here are the wheels I'm loooking at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-hp...spagenameZWDVW

Yes, another set of 'middling quality cast wheels'! But I like 'em, and the price is right.

I have a red '95, and am wondering what looks better on the car - meaning to me that it looks more 'from the factory' - hyper silver or dark. See this link for a comparison:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/18-HP...spagenameZWDVW

Finally, I'd really like bigger wheels out back, but a) this would make rotation impossible, and b) would this not upset the cornering balance of the car since there's more meat on the rear, probably resulting in more understeer?

Thanks for the feedback,

Sam

dradon03

iTrader: (2)

Well think about it. If there were more traction in the front this means in a curb you would be undershooting the apex (understeer), with more traction at the back the back overgrips the front (oversteer). Most people have this kind of setup, ex tire sizes like 235-245/40/18fr,265-275/35-30/18.

Personally I run 235-40-18,265-35-18 and I can tell you it is oversteer

Alex

Ibumar

^^^ What the heck are you on...?

Adding traction to one end of the car increases the lateral road holding capabilities of that end of the car, in this case the rear. This will cause the front of the car to reach its peak traction earlier than the rear and induce understeer (the front "washes out" or "plows", it assumes a larger slipangle).

Oversteer occurs when the rear loses traction before the front does, the car will continue to rotate more and more into its turn, eventually causing a spin, unless the driver takes action.


To the original poster:
Your assumption is somewhat correct, however having the extra grip in the back will allow you to apply more power coming out of corners without inducing oversteer as quickly., thus allowing for more speed down the straight.
Also your alignment is going to make a big difference on how the car is balanced through the turn.

SammyD

I think you have this teh wrong way around? Take an extreme example - put skinny shopping-cart wheels on the front of the car. Make a sharp turn, and with less grip in the front, the car will push (understeer) and miss the apex. The car will keep going forward.

Put the shopping-cart wheels in the rear, regular tires on the front. Turn sharply, the car will oversteer and spin around. Right?

Bigger tires on the rear means the rears will out-grip the front, meaning that on the edge the car will not turn in at the front as sharply as you would want, which I understand means understeer.

Now how 'bout hypersilver or dark silver? :0)

dradon03

iTrader: (2)

..... I am lost with your explanations. Just go shopping push a shopping cart into a curve and see what happens. According to what your saying if we took LUPE's car into a curve it would understeer you guys are completely out of wack it would oversteer the **** out.

Anyways regardless go with the Darker ones.

oorx7

iTrader: (2)

I think that ^you ^ have your facts switched around.

What you discribe as oversteer is really understeer and vis versa.

SammyD

From Dictionary.com (of all places!)

1 entry found for understeer.
un·der·steer ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndr-stîr)
intr.v. un·der·steered, un·der·steer·ing, un·der·steers
To turn less sharply than the operator would expect. Used of vehicles, especially automobiles.

o·ver·steer ( P ) Pronunciation Key (vr-stîr)
intr.v. o·ver·steered, o·ver·steer·ing, o·ver·steers
To turn more sharply than the operator would expect. Used of vehicles, especially automobiles.

KaiFD3S

iTrader: (37)

oversteer = too much steering hence over steering which means car has more chances of spinning out.

understeer = not enough steering hence car will be pushing and not turning

BobfisH

in the rain, to a certain extent, the smaller the contact patch, the more the grip (as the thinner contact patch effectively cuts through the rain more efficiently)

In the dry, to an extent more meat on the rear is better to stop oversteer, but it doesnt induce indersteer. All it means is the front has less grip than the rear.

Too much meat on the back upsets the balance of the car, ***** up the dynamic camber etc and can cause oversteer/understeer depending on alignment and configurationof tyres

mazdagirl81

here goes red with light, to give you an idea. there's a red fd around here with gunmetal hp's, but i don't have a pic.

purerx7

iTrader: (61)

These are my wheels, they arent the ones your looking at, but they are HYPER SILVER with a polished lip.
BP

$_RXHEAVEN_$

anyone have any pics of hyper black? or anyother dark colour except gun metal?
Hey mazdagirl what rims r those? they're damn sharp!

$_RXHEAVEN_$

nevermind i just opened the ebay linky sorry bout that
those rims and tires are too narrow for the rear. 225 good for front but way too small for the rear, especially since they are only 8'' wide. u can probably only get a 245 or 255 on those. correct me if im wrong plz
those are a great deal though, free shipping even to Canada

mazdagirl81

i think his are 18's. you can have my 19's. i want [smaller] 5 spoke.

adam c

iTrader: (2)

I like the silver.

manny34711

hey thats my car!!!!


if you want to see more pics i got them on my photobucket

http://photobucket.com/albums/y280/mannyrx7/

trini

iTrader: (2)

yow manny your rims are the dark ones doh right? remember what the dude said, they didnt have hypersilver so they sent hyperblack???

$_RXHEAVEN_$

really i can have them did u have stock suspension with the 19s? my car is lowered on h&r springs so i dont think 19s would fit. thanx though

BASTARD

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BASTARD

iTrader: (4)

18x8 is a little wimpy... you need at least an 18x8.5... but 1000.oo for rims and tires is cheap. I think you should save a little more money and get a phat set of wheels

take a look at these wheels...they sell these on ebay
http://1goldenapple.com/

http://www.craigslist.org/eby/pts/136578954.html

coolvette

Those st2 wheels are amazing!does anyone know how much they cost?

mazdagirl81

i have stock suspension, but i know tons of dropped fds with 19s.

papsmagu

iTrader: (19)

Not many women want that. Sorry Summer could not resist

mazdagirl81

FDNena

iTrader: (2)

I'd go with the darks. I have the same wheels on my car and it used to be red about a year and a half ago. I'll see if I can find some pics when the car was red cause all I can find is more recent ones after I painted it blue. I am glad I got the darks cause the lights definately won't have looked as good with the blue.

Oh and if you can you should go with a different tire size but that is a really good price for wheels and tires shipped.