DVSseven

Has anyone had any bad temp. changes when running a front mount as compared to a large stock replacement like an M2? Basically im debating on a front mount or a stock mount. Some say that a stock mount is more functional in the sense that it does not block the radiator. Which this does make sense but how about if you are running a Fluidyne, and are not driving the car on the track or driving too hard on the street? Do you think that a front mount would be alright for a daily driven, well taken care of 7?

the_glass_man

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Kevin T. Wyum

If you're not going to drive the car hard why do you need a big IC of any kind? Just go with a used PFS or Greddy SMIC for $300 or something.


Kevin T. Wyum

WVRx7

Come on Kevin, you know the most important thing in FMIC ownership is that it can be seen by the others that hang out in the mall parking lot.

1FooknTiteFD

I've had three different IC's to date: The M2 Medium, PFS Race SMIC, and the Blitz FMIC. This is what I've had to say about them before my thread got locked:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/just-switched-smic-fmic-354642/

Overall, I think the FMIC is the way to go, you get too much heat soak for daily driving with a SMIC. Also a FMIC is much nicer and the kit is overall higher quality

DVSseven

WV, dont be an *** im just asking simple questions and striking simple converstion. If you have no worthy input then shut up...

KaiFD3S

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if you really want a FMIC go with the Blitz or apex...they may be more expensive but easier to install...and from what some people that have them say they have less over heating issues with those set ups...

Kevin T. Wyum

Is there any reason people need to use foul mouthed infantile screen names still? Do "ebonics"
make a person look like anything more than an idiot who isn't smart enough to speak English? Why in the world should anyone believe a word a person says who has a pornographic picture of some skank with herpes cramming things in her crotch and then won't even sign their name to what they post? I ended up turning avatars off months ago when I was ashamed to let anyone see what I was reading on the screen for fear of scrolling by some ***** with dental floss as a bikini bottoms.

1FooknTiteFD
That ****''ll FOCK U UP!

You couldn't simply use a screen name like, Mike or maybe even a last name? If you were really embarrassed about whom you are you could even use something without profanity like WVRX7. Being able to post images of parts or issues you're talking about make the web forums an extremely valuable tool, but why did we ever depart from the etiquette of the old big list when people used their real full names and had to be a little reasonable about what they said? If these people go to RX7 gatherings aren't they ashamed to admit who they are? "Hi I'm BigAssCrack from the list." "Oh, how nice to meet you. This is my wife Mary. Mary this is BigAssCrack from the message board. He's going to give me advice on how I should spend thousands of dollars." Sheesh.

We used to have flame wars all the time on the list, but people used their real name so it was usually pretty entertaining and within the bounds of civilized society, instead of some ghetto ******* that can barely speak.

I never could bring myself to brave Speakers Corner when I lived in London, now I wish I had.

Kevin T. Wyum

Fumanchu

The Asian tuner crowd invented a new form of "cool" internet talk. Go on a Asian chat board and kids will be having full conversations in this retarded way.

Mr rx-7 tt

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I keep hearing that the FMIC is the way to go...I talked to Corkey Bell for about an hour on the subject, he ran the numbers (efficiency, pressure drop etc) and concluded the SMIC (M2 Large/PFS Race etc) was the way to go, NOT FMIC.

Marshall

Kevin, you speak of times when FDs were still 20-30k. The average FD owner base has gone from young-middle age professionals to 17-20 year olds. Some bring knowledge and new perspectives but alot bring garbage. I'm not calling out anyone in particular, but this new "community" makes me want to sell (again).

Back on topic: For a lightly driven street car snag a used SMIC for 500 bucks and call it done, you can always resell it for the same price if you decide to go bigger.

1FooknTiteFD

I find it very offending and unprofessional of you to make personal attacks on me. The forum name is an inside joke amongst some of my bay area rx7 friends and it's just that. I fail to see how my forum name has any valid reason for you to attack me or defend for lack of a better term a shitty, outdated, and overpriced product.

You sir are a hypocrite. You always give chuck **** for making replicas even though you clearly stole your ASP design from Peter Farrel. At least chuck admits where he gets his ideas from while you make unwarranted claims.

WVRx7

Ok, let's review.

I wasn't talking to you. My post started with "Kevin".

You asked a fairly legitimate question. It's a question that could be answered many times over if you did a search, but it was a legitimate question nonetheless.

I bear no ill will toward you. Hopefully you will absorb some good information and make the right choice.

It is obvious from the thousands of threads on this subject that FMIC on an FD are only for two types of people: Drag racers and Poseurs.

In drag racing coolant temperature isn't a big concern and in posing, the visual sex appeal is of paramount importance. An FMIC covers both of those bases very well.

Choose your use for the car and make your decision on intercooler.

DVSseven

ok, no problem thanks for explaining. Very mature of you, its just it gets old people bashing me when im like you say just trying to make the right decision. I have just heard so many different things about intercoolers. My friend runs a large stock mount from M2 and it looks great, and I would imagine that is more efficient than a front mount. Nothing to ding the fins, less piping for charged air etc... Its just that it seems that it is hard to find a good stock mount, now that M2 has gone out of business. Have seen the ASP products which look similar and probably are the supplier. Nonetheless thanks for your input, any suggestions?, im open....

zmarko

Hope this goes on longer, for entertainment value.

Mahjik

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Yes, M2 was paying to use the ASP design. Kevin is ASP and has recently taken back the manufacturing. IMO, the ASP Med is the best compromise for installation/efficiency/price.

1FooknTiteFD

My experience with the M2 medium was horrible. When I got the intercooler, the fiberglass duct didn't fit properly at all without trimming the bottom of the duct to make it clear the radiator. Then the intercooler pipes kept rubbing against my strut tower bar and scratching against my hood.

Now after paying $1600 for an intercooler: $1500 for the ic and $100 for the greddy elbow, you would think that the thing fit damn perfect but it sure as hell didn't. In comparison the greddy is only $899, the apex'i around $1300 and the blitz around 1300 as well.

1FooknTiteFD

Ok this is a quick recap of my intercooler experiences since my last thread got locked because kevin started $hit with some other guy:

I had an M2 medium and a PFS Race SMIC (Same size as the ASP large) and switched to a blitz front mount. According to the power FC, my water temps increased a little (approximately 5 degree celsius) but my air intake temperatures dropped dramatically (10-15 degree celsius).

I drive my car on the street and also on the track. I have participated in drag racing events, road racing, and also auto-x. For the road course, the SMIC performed ok, but for drag racing the IC would have major heat soak issues between runs. I would start the car at around 46-50 degree celsius, make my run, and when i shut off my car the temps would skyrocket to 69-70 degree. With a front mount, heat soak is not as much of an issue.

Why is it that in EVERY single intercooler thread (even those that are unrelated to SMIC's) Kevin comes in and discredits all other IC's and saying how superior "his" design is. It ultimately results in lots of **** talking which gets threads closed

Mahjik

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M2 changed Kevin's design slightly which is what caused the fitment problem. ASP is not "exactly" M2.

I doubt the current ASP IC's have this (or any of the other M2) problem(s). However, the strut bar problem depends on the strut bar maker. The R1 bar is much lower than some of the others, like Cusco, and does have problems with some IC piping.

widebody2

Kev I've gotta disagree with you on the pornographic avatars

Kevin T. Wyum

I thought the following quote was pretty interesting.

"I keep hearing that the FMIC is the way to go...I talked to Corkey Bell for about an hour on the subject, he ran the numbers (efficiency, pressure drop etc) and concluded the SMIC (M2 Large/PFS Race etc) was the way to go, NOT FMIC."

Hrmmm who to trust? a: ( Corkey Bell) or b: (1FooknTiteFD That ****'ll fock youup?) This is an instance where the ghetto name doesn't lend additional credibility to you.

I'm not sure what your angle is here with the badmouthing since you don't even have a name but you're either making things up (the duct is a near perfect fit, on the level of a factory part), your frame is twisted, M2 was trying to make their own duct on a few of them and it didn't go well, you got an attempted knock off part or you have a different radiator.

I'll ignore the rest of your comments until you can come up with a first and last name. I suppose I could make up a screen name and say all kinds of things, what's the point though? I'm really tired of the IC debates and I think I'll just point back to that Corky Bell quote from now on as he's really a source that nobody on this list can really compare to.

BTW did you notice I told the poster to just buy a used PFS or Greddy SMIC? I never mentioned mine. You had to though (chuckle). EDIT: You made four posts in just this thread alone and I hadn't said a single word about my ICs and you even pointed back to another thread with more of your vitriol. There's something really wrong with you. You really need to follow Yoda's teachings. "Let go of your hate." It's burning you up and making you look like a nut in front of everyone.

Kevin T. Wyum

P.S. "I find it very offending and unprofessional of you to make personal attacks on me." Your screen name is 1FooknTiteFD That ****'ll fock you up! and you're complaining about being offended and unprofessional? ROFLMAO

1FooknTiteFD

my name is Victor, what else would you like, you want to know where I live, a photo ID, where I work?

WHO THE HELL CARES about forum names. I already told you that it was an inside joke amongst my bay area friends so i don't see what the big deal is. The fact that you jump into every intercooler thread with your real name just shows how much of a dumbass you are. You got owned by Chuck several times and most recently by Wade and some other guys.

What is my angle? I have no angle sir other than to share my experiences. I am not trying to sell anything rather I am simply stating what I think is better based on my experiences. I have previously used two SMIC's but have recently switched to a front mount. I never owned an ASP SMIC. I've owned the M2 Medium and the PFS Large race IC the one which you clearly ripped your ic design off of. Now you can go on and on about how you have different pipes, a different core, etc...but the basic concept is still the same: The IC sits in the engine bay and gets air via a fiberglass duct with only a 2 inch opening above the radiator. I am currently using a blitz FMIC. It's not my fault you happen to have "designed" an intercooler that I have replaced because it didn't work the way I wanted to. This thread is about Front mount intercoolers. The original post is as follows:

"Has anyone had any bad temp. changes when running a front mount as compared to a large stock replacement like an M2? Basically im debating on a front mount or a stock mount. Some say that a stock mount is more functional in the sense that it does not block the radiator. Which this does make sense but how about if you are running a Fluidyne, and are not driving the car on the track or driving too hard on the street? Do you think that a front mount would be alright for a daily driven, well taken care of 7?"

To answer, a FMIC is better for daily driving because there is less heatsoak and with stock and go traffic with the occasional WOT blast a car won't overheat for a daily driven well taken care of 7. Have you ever owned or used one Kevin or are you too biased and narrow minded to even try? I owned both and think a FMIC is better all around especially for daily driving. So where does attacking me personally have to do with the topic at hand?

Your corkey bell argument is stupid as well. Why don't you ask amemiya-san or fujita san why they don't use SMIC and why they always use FMIC or VMIC? How come virtually no japanese tuner use SMIC even though they are involved in extensive road racing and drifiting and drag events? Why don't we also ask XS engineering who tunes RX7's all day on the dyno which one they prefer? Guess what they will say....a front mount! Are you guys going to listen to Amemiya-san or Kevin T. Wyum (my intercooler is better than yours because I ripped it off of someone) This is an instance where being a dick won't lend any credibility to you either.

monk1970

You're quoting Yoda in a flame post?

When I first read that I was expecting Ghandi, or maybe Confucious, or Buddha, or even Nietze. I could expect St. Thomas Aqinas, or possibly Buddha or the Dali Lama. Maybe Plato or the Bible, as well

Then I took a double take because I didn't see Aristotle, Albert Einstein, or Machiavelli. I didn't see Karl Marx or Winston Churchill's name. I saw "Yoda." The little green guy from Return of the Jedi. The one who ate Luke's meal in Empire Strikes Back. The little action figure I used to own when I was ten years old. Yoda.

Good one. May the force be with you.

Kevin T. Wyum

ROFL, I can really see you turning red in the face you're just so mad and full of hatred. You're acting like I had sex with your girlfriend or sister or both at the same time. Calm down. The reason a name, including last, is important is because it makes you responsible for what you say here. Any idiot named Bob, or Victor for that matter, can run around spouting the most outrageous BS in the world without any fear of having a real impact on themselves regardless of how false it turns out to be. It's like Dan Rather saying, "I know these documents are real, I won't tell you where I got them but they're the real thing, I have no doubt in my mind so you better trust me."

So now you're suggesting Corky Bell doesn't know what he's talking about? Maybe if we called him Corky Bell-san he would gain some eastern mystic powers that would give him divine guidance. Grow up. When it comes to turbocharging the Japanese are no better than anyone else. Maybe you're asian and it's some kind of racist thing you have against white people. Whatever it is it's clearly not rational.

As to your fruitloop Kerry'esqe hail Mary that I copied my large IC from Peter. Peter isn't exactly the quiet reserved type of person that's going to shut up about something like that if it had happened. He and I had our differences back in the day but nobody with any credibility has ever supported your conspiracy theory. I never made a stink about it because he never actively appeared to market it and he didn't ask me to borrow the duct and tubing for a few weeks so he could copy it like Pettit. I had only heard of him making 3 or 4, if that, and those were kept pretty quiet so it wasn't a big deal. Nice try fruit loop. Go get someone else to "own" me. You probably didn't have a drivers license yet but back at the time I first started making the IC's on a large scale PFS & Co. (mainly the co.) and I were having pretty active flames on the big list as any old timers here can attest to. If something like you claimed were true I know damn well, as well as anyone else that was on the big list back then, they would never have stopped talking about it. I did actually get a few emails from people telling me after he had shown his first one to a few "inner circle" people that it looked almost the same as mine.

Okay so you've typed about 2 pages of vile filthy insults in this thread and your link and I still have yet to try and push my intercoolers. You're a whack job, go back to the hood or your "crew" and watch the Fast & Furry a few more times or put some more body kits and stickers on your car. Maybe we'll call you 1FookinTiteFD-san or something then you'll know what you're talking about.

Stop while you're only this far behind.

Kevin T. Wyum

Speedworks

between all the personal discussions...

Lots of questions are being asked in the sence of "SMIC or FMIC" Why do people always tend to leave out the V-mounts.

A local race team has bought Petitt's GTC race car (FMIC) and have been obliged to turn to V mOunt which solved all their overheating problems.

I'm as well thinking about change my IC set up and Vmount is for me the way to go.
Why do people avoid this possibility?Because there are less parts/products avalailable? too much custom work etc?


IMOH it's the best solition both IC and radiator receive fresh air (proper ducting)
hot air is being send away separately and most important away from the engine/turbo's

It won't give you that "bling" towards the others, but when I look at rebuilding costs and the time my car will have to be stored in the garage doing nothing because of engine overheating/failure, I know what to chose