Few questions for the pros.
08-01-06, 02:38 AM
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Few questions for the pros.
Okay, first of all I've been lurking this site for a long time deciding whether or not I wanted to get into rotaries. I'm looking to buy either a FC Turbo II or a 3rd gen. Here's my questions, can I make 350-400 reliably ? I'm willing to spend the money to do right once, this will be my daily driver most of the time and I need it not to explode. I would also like some proven platforms. I read about guys making 600+ hp in magazines all the time, and I don't that is realistic. I don't need that much hp anyways. I want to build my car to run on pump gas, (no alky injection) etc., not a shitload of boost, no nitrous and behave like a street car. So, any help that you guys can give me to sway me to the rotary will be appreciated greatly. Thanks in advance. Tim.
08-01-06, 03:04 AM
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hahaha reliability? Just make sure it's well maintained. Understand that these cars are attention ****** especially the 3rd generation. They also likes to catch on fire. Check the fuel PD.
08-01-06, 03:26 AM
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why do you need that much HP for?
Cozmo Kraemer is running 330HP at 13psi.
only a few more psi you can reach your goal. maybe you can talk to him.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/finally-finished-car-well-mostly-heres-my-story-pics-564343/
Cozmo Kraemer is running 330HP at 13psi.
only a few more psi you can reach your goal. maybe you can talk to him.
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/finally-finished-car-well-mostly-heres-my-story-pics-564343/
08-01-06, 03:40 AM
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Just a goal I set for myself. I don't have to make that much hp, but I would like to. Car is going to be DD but raced at local 1/8 strip sometimes. I want to surprise some people.
08-01-06, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NoFive0
Just a goal I set for myself. I don't have to make that much hp, but I would like to. Car is going to be DD but raced at local 1/8 strip sometimes. I want to surprise some people.
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Define reliably? If you mod your car PROPERLY and don't go cheap on mods or the daily running of it, there is no reason you can't get 40k+ miles out of a 350 rwhp setup. Note that the above will cost several thousands of dollars.
Also, not having a separate daily driver is a BAD idea....it will be very expensive to run a 350+ FD daily PROPERLY.
Also, not having a separate daily driver is a BAD idea....it will be very expensive to run a 350+ FD daily PROPERLY.
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Yeah, it probably is a bad idea I just love the FD though. By reliable, I mean something that will work everyday without failing. I don't plan on going cheap, I want to do everything right the first time.
08-01-06, 03:53 PM
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By reliable, I mean something that will work everyday without failing.
An NSX might meet these goals perhaps but an FD is not likely to.
Buy a daily driver.
08-01-06, 04:13 PM
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it's a 1.3L engine...they barely held at 255hp. Blame it on the looks...everyone wants one and then blame it on the weight, because it doesn't take much to make this thing fly...then blame it on the addiction, because I want mine to be faster.
now, how long do you think a 400hp 1.3L fragile engine will last...driving it like grand ma, sure it will last. But what fun is that.
now, how long do you think a 400hp 1.3L fragile engine will last...driving it like grand ma, sure it will last. But what fun is that.
08-01-06, 04:17 PM
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nah, just disappointed. true i am more into FCs and i guess they just last longer than FDs when modified. i'd blame it on the twins, the shitty cooling system and the plugged exhaust and general lack of knowledge on how to build a reliable engine setup.
it's just sad to see you all giving in to lack of performance.
it's just sad to see you all giving in to lack of performance.
08-01-06, 04:18 PM
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i have a dd 7 n im looking to get a decent amount of hp n yes every car will have its problems expecally a 13 year old one but hey i knew that when i bought my car n i got it when i was 17 in a half n now im turning 19 i love my car so if u want it n have some extra cash go get it.. ppl told me not to get n fd since i was 17 n in experienced with the motor.. hey i got it anyways n they were all wrong n iv been slowly learning ever since
08-01-06, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by moconnor
So you want a 13-year-old daily-driven high-performance car that is ultra reliable?
An NSX might meet these goals perhaps but an FD is not likely to.
Buy a daily driver.
An NSX might meet these goals perhaps but an FD is not likely to.
Buy a daily driver.
Yes, yes I do. And thanks for the smart *** comment, I'm glad I could help you get your post count up.
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The reason it barely held 255hp was because of thrown together fixes to meet US emissions and a very poor cooling system for the application. I think once you sort out the many things that were 'under enginneered' you can build a reliable car.
I really hope that my single setup holds up overtime. My setup 'should' put down high 300s at 12 psi and hopefully 400+ at 15 PSI. Really I see no reason why, if properly maintained it can stand up to 50K+ miles. It is really all about the tuning. Properly tuned, properly maintained it can be pretty reliable. Daily driver? I really hope you aren't going far...and if you are, a different car for a daily driver is the best mod you will ever make.
If you have been lurking on the forums then you should know there are people running right around 400whp reliably. But it isn't something that happens overnight. It takes a LOT of work to get there. If you want a 400whp reliable car...get a C5 corvette...or a C6 (still under warranty). If you like projects and have patience, the RX7 is rewarding, but far from EASY...
If I had it to do all over again. I would wait until one of the established forum members whose car put down the power I wanted, went to sell. RotaryResurrection just sold his car, AgentSpeed's car comes to mind...when those cars sell, all their time and energy went to making them pretty reliable and then it is just maintenance. That is a hell of a lot easier than building one yourself!
I really hope that my single setup holds up overtime. My setup 'should' put down high 300s at 12 psi and hopefully 400+ at 15 PSI. Really I see no reason why, if properly maintained it can stand up to 50K+ miles. It is really all about the tuning. Properly tuned, properly maintained it can be pretty reliable. Daily driver? I really hope you aren't going far...and if you are, a different car for a daily driver is the best mod you will ever make.
If you have been lurking on the forums then you should know there are people running right around 400whp reliably. But it isn't something that happens overnight. It takes a LOT of work to get there. If you want a 400whp reliable car...get a C5 corvette...or a C6 (still under warranty). If you like projects and have patience, the RX7 is rewarding, but far from EASY...
If I had it to do all over again. I would wait until one of the established forum members whose car put down the power I wanted, went to sell. RotaryResurrection just sold his car, AgentSpeed's car comes to mind...when those cars sell, all their time and energy went to making them pretty reliable and then it is just maintenance. That is a hell of a lot easier than building one yourself!
08-01-06, 04:28 PM
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If you want a 400whp reliable car...get a C5 corvette...or a C6
08-01-06, 04:33 PM
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The reason it barely held 255hp was because of thrown together fixes to meet US emissions and a very poor cooling system for the application. I think once you sort out the many things that were 'under enginneered' you can build a reliable car.
I really hope that my single setup holds up overtime. My setup 'should' put down high 300s at 12 psi and hopefully 400+ at 15 PSI. Really I see no reason why, if properly maintained it can stand up to 50K+ miles. It is really all about the tuning. Properly tuned, properly maintained it can be pretty reliable. Daily driver? I really hope you aren't going far...and if you are, a different car for a daily driver is the best mod you will ever make.
If you have been lurking on the forums then you should know there are people running right around 400whp reliably. But it isn't something that happens overnight. It takes a LOT of work to get there. If you want a 400whp reliable car...get a C5 corvette...or a C6 (still under warranty). If you like projects and have patience, the RX7 is rewarding, but far from EASY...
If I had it to do all over again. I would wait until one of the established forum members whose car put down the power I wanted, went to sell. RotaryResurrection just sold his car, AgentSpeed's car comes to mind...when those cars sell, all their time and energy went to making them pretty reliable and then it is just maintenance. That is a hell of a lot easier than building one yourself!
I really hope that my single setup holds up overtime. My setup 'should' put down high 300s at 12 psi and hopefully 400+ at 15 PSI. Really I see no reason why, if properly maintained it can stand up to 50K+ miles. It is really all about the tuning. Properly tuned, properly maintained it can be pretty reliable. Daily driver? I really hope you aren't going far...and if you are, a different car for a daily driver is the best mod you will ever make.
If you have been lurking on the forums then you should know there are people running right around 400whp reliably. But it isn't something that happens overnight. It takes a LOT of work to get there. If you want a 400whp reliable car...get a C5 corvette...or a C6 (still under warranty). If you like projects and have patience, the RX7 is rewarding, but far from EASY...
If I had it to do all over again. I would wait until one of the established forum members whose car put down the power I wanted, went to sell. RotaryResurrection just sold his car, AgentSpeed's car comes to mind...when those cars sell, all their time and energy went to making them pretty reliable and then it is just maintenance. That is a hell of a lot easier than building one yourself!
bout time someone spoke up, i was getting depressed myself from reading about all the rotary blues on this section. majority sound like beat down worn out rotorheads because of bad experiences.
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LS1 rx7s could be reliable if put together properly, but it isn't a gaurantee that they are put together properly. Those sell in the low $20Ks and sometimes as low as $18K.
If I was you i wouldn't attempt to build a 400hp FD with less than say $25K...and it is money invested in a 13 year old car. That is why I would probably have bought a Z06 if I had my situation to do all over again. I have right at $30K into my car, along with 200 hours of my own labor and frustration.
How much is all that worth to you?
If you have smaller power goals then the story changes...but requiring 400whp increases the stakes substantially.
One thing I have noticed is the people on these forums who have the nicely done, powerful RX7s are all people who could afford a LOT of car, brand new, if they wanted. The RX7 just has a certain draw...but you definately need some money if you want to play with big power.
If I was you i wouldn't attempt to build a 400hp FD with less than say $25K...and it is money invested in a 13 year old car. That is why I would probably have bought a Z06 if I had my situation to do all over again. I have right at $30K into my car, along with 200 hours of my own labor and frustration.
How much is all that worth to you?
If you have smaller power goals then the story changes...but requiring 400whp increases the stakes substantially.
One thing I have noticed is the people on these forums who have the nicely done, powerful RX7s are all people who could afford a LOT of car, brand new, if they wanted. The RX7 just has a certain draw...but you definately need some money if you want to play with big power.
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08-01-06, 05:41 PM
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Yes, yes I do. And thanks for the smart *** comment, I'm glad I could help you get your post count up.
Tim.
Tim.
Did you not notice that there is a thread almost every single day asking your question? Hint: search for the word 'reliable' and see how many hits you get.
08-01-06, 06:41 PM
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You guys are really a turn off...I hear people keep talking about how unreliable these cars are. When the truth is, alot of the peopl who own them are unreliable. Like young kids who get a boost controler as there first mod and boost the **** out of the car, redling every second. Any 400rwhp car is not a great daily driver. The car has its issues, if you take care of the heating problem then you wont really have that many others. Point is, iam tierd of coming on this board and hearing about how much these cars suck for reliablity when iam sure there are alot of owners out there who have no problems at all. All we ever hear is the bad stuff, and that is seriously a turn off for a new owner. (like me). I think you guys just trying to keep all the fd fun for yourselfs and turn newbies off to the car.