Ferrari's 599 GTB & the FD
07-29-06, 10:49 PM
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Ferrari's 599 GTB & the FD
First I have to say, "what a beautiful car"
Taken from Sept. issue of Sports Car
"carries 53% of its weight over the rear wheels, thanks to the engine's position behind the front axle..."
"The attractive cockpit is very pleasant place to be. The racy-looking seats are extremely supportive but not overly confining...while the tachometer sits dead ahead."
"The show starts at 4,000rpm, with a frenetic crescendo at 7,000 that contines to the redline."
It sounded like they were talking about an FD when describing this 1/4 million dollar Ferrari
I think the first statement will keep a 13B in my car forever...as moving the firewall and fitting a 20B is way out of my budget.
Just thought I'd share...after reading the article I had a proud FD owner moment.
Taken from Sept. issue of Sports Car
"carries 53% of its weight over the rear wheels, thanks to the engine's position behind the front axle..."
"The attractive cockpit is very pleasant place to be. The racy-looking seats are extremely supportive but not overly confining...while the tachometer sits dead ahead."
"The show starts at 4,000rpm, with a frenetic crescendo at 7,000 that contines to the redline."
It sounded like they were talking about an FD when describing this 1/4 million dollar Ferrari
I think the first statement will keep a 13B in my car forever...as moving the firewall and fitting a 20B is way out of my budget.
Just thought I'd share...after reading the article I had a proud FD owner moment.
07-29-06, 11:19 PM
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As far as I am concerned, your FD wins.
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
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Originally Posted by oorx7
I always loved the Miura. If I was ever able to afford one, it would be the classic that I would buy. I would love to restore one in a heart beat.
Albert
07-30-06, 12:17 AM
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Good eye Albert...and thanks for the kind words. My favorite part about the picture I posted above [FD] is the fact you can't see the jack rail. Most side pictures I see of FD's there is that nasty jack rail that ruins it for me.
"The unmistakable Pininfarina design gives the Ferrari 599 GTB aggressive yet elegant lines which are perfectly integrated with the advanced aerodynamic solutions adopted to reach the performance figures attainable."
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/...unces-599-gtb/
"The unmistakable Pininfarina design gives the Ferrari 599 GTB aggressive yet elegant lines which are perfectly integrated with the advanced aerodynamic solutions adopted to reach the performance figures attainable."
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/...unces-599-gtb/
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The Countach was the hardest to drive car I was ever in. You needed feet that were only 2 "wide, the pedals were too far to the right and close together. The shifter throw was too long the shift gate made it impossible to shift fast.
The interior was plastic and cheap looking although I believe it was actually leather. It rode like a truck at low speed. It's impossible to see out of.
On the other hand, it had a great engine, broad torque band and made horsepower at the top of the RPM range.
This one was a black 10th annivesary model. We called it "the Road roach,
because that's what it looked like going down the road.
The interior was plastic and cheap looking although I believe it was actually leather. It rode like a truck at low speed. It's impossible to see out of.
On the other hand, it had a great engine, broad torque band and made horsepower at the top of the RPM range.
This one was a black 10th annivesary model. We called it "the Road roach,
because that's what it looked like going down the road.
07-30-06, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by axr6
As far as I am concerned, your FD wins.
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
god damn i love Lamborghini Muira!!!!!! The sound ......... omg nothing sounds like that engine..
07-30-06, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by axr6
I used to be a BIG Lamborhini fan, owned a Jarama and a Silhouette, was on the Board of Directors of the US Lambo club for over a decade. As hard as I wanted one, unfortunately, could not fit into either the Miura or the Countach. I mean, I did fit but, sat in them like a caged monkey, entirely unable to find a managable driving position with my pulled-up knees touching the SIDES of the steering wheel. Both were made for short legged people, probably not over 5'10" tall.
Albert
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It is still a favorite of mine though. One car I have been contimplating is a replica of a shelby coupe. I wonder how I would fit into that?
07-30-06, 05:50 PM
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Holy cow, that your car? Looks perfect. Will you please divulge details regarding your suspension setup 
And those skirts, I've seen some around. What model/brand are they? IMHO, the FD is still better looking. Not by a huge margin, but enough to 
And those skirts, I've seen some around. What model/brand are they? IMHO, the FD is still better looking. Not by a huge margin, but enough to
Originally Posted by dubulup
First I have to say, "what a beautiful car"
Taken from Sept. issue of Sports Car
"carries 53% of its weight over the rear wheels, thanks to the engine's position behind the front axle..."
"The attractive cockpit is very pleasant place to be. The racy-looking seats are extremely supportive but not overly confining...while the tachometer sits dead ahead."
"The show starts at 4,000rpm, with a frenetic crescendo at 7,000 that contines to the redline."
It sounded like they were talking about an FD when describing this 1/4 million dollar Ferrari
I think the first statement will keep a 13B in my car forever...as moving the firewall and fitting a 20B is way out of my budget.
Just thought I'd share...after reading the article I had a proud FD owner moment.
Taken from Sept. issue of Sports Car
"carries 53% of its weight over the rear wheels, thanks to the engine's position behind the front axle..."
"The attractive cockpit is very pleasant place to be. The racy-looking seats are extremely supportive but not overly confining...while the tachometer sits dead ahead."
"The show starts at 4,000rpm, with a frenetic crescendo at 7,000 that contines to the redline."
It sounded like they were talking about an FD when describing this 1/4 million dollar Ferrari
I think the first statement will keep a 13B in my car forever...as moving the firewall and fitting a 20B is way out of my budget.
Just thought I'd share...after reading the article I had a proud FD owner moment.
07-30-06, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by axr6
As far as I am concerned, your FD wins.
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
The Ferrari reminds me to the Daytona. It is one of the most valued Ferrari classics but, it never did a single thing for me. I considered it bulbous and fat looking, just like this model, at least just by looking at the picture. At its time the Daytona went up against the Lamborghini Muira. Needless to say, I preferred the Miura, with its transverse mid-engine V-12, by a wide margin.
Wonder if this Ferrari was designed by Pininfarina who designed the Daytona way back?
Albert
It is interesting to see how the FD represents itself well around exotics. The Ferrari Daytona or better known as the 365 GTB4 introduced in 1968 was the worlds fastest road going Ferrari at the time. It has a 4.4 liter V12 and had about 350hp and a top speed of about 172mph. The convertable version of this car was the Daytona Spyder which was seen in the early television series Miami Vice before they started driving the white testarossa.
07-30-06, 08:16 PM
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Thanks for the compliments
The skirts are FEED replica's from Chuck (former Rotary Extreme), and the diffuser is the old style RE amemiya...I felt these were clean "aero" additions to the '99 spec lip.
As far as the suspension, you are looking at stock struts w/ RB springs. A very streetable combination matched with a nice stance.
The skirts are FEED replica's from Chuck (former Rotary Extreme), and the diffuser is the old style RE amemiya...I felt these were clean "aero" additions to the '99 spec lip.
As far as the suspension, you are looking at stock struts w/ RB springs. A very streetable combination matched with a nice stance.
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Originally Posted by Joe Geiman
The Countach was the hardest to drive car I was ever in. You needed feet that were only 2 "wide, the pedals were too far to the right and close together. The shifter throw was too long the shift gate made it impossible to shift fast.
The interior was plastic and cheap looking although I believe it was actually leather. It rode like a truck at low speed. It's impossible to see out of.
On the other hand, it had a great engine, broad torque band and made horsepower at the top of the RPM range.
This one was a black 10th annivesary model. We called it "the Road roach,
because that's what it looked like going down the road.
The interior was plastic and cheap looking although I believe it was actually leather. It rode like a truck at low speed. It's impossible to see out of.
On the other hand, it had a great engine, broad torque band and made horsepower at the top of the RPM range.
This one was a black 10th annivesary model. We called it "the Road roach,
because that's what it looked like going down the road.
Still, I wondered how in the hell they could sell those cars even for what they were asking for them? I was at the factory watching the craftsman (hmmmm....) pounding the Countach body parts out of sheet aluminum, using curved body hammers. They were casting the engine there, machining the crank shaft from a solid billet of steal, welding the tube chassis and hand cutting and sawing the interior. Quite a good sized factory with hundreds of employees trying to live on the sales of a few hundred cars per year. My Jarama was one of 170 ish cars, the Silhouette had only 52 ever made. Hardly the kind of numbers that would sustain a factory or provide money for development.
I used to think that there was really no development testing with Lamborghini, the customers were the real test subjects. After all, those who could afford the purchase price could also afford the repair costs.
As far as what a Countach looks on the road, well, the effect could not be much different if an alien space craft cruised by. People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not, simply spun around in amazed wonder as one of those cars drove by. Pictures do not do any justice to many Lamborghinis. They must be seen on the road in comparison to other cars to see the difference. Oh, yes, those American DOT bumpers and front wings to meet bumper height laws on the Countach were horrid looking.
Albert
07-30-06, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by axr6
After all, those who could afford the purchase price could also afford the repair costs.
As far as what a Countach looks on the road, well, the effect could not be much different if an alien space craft cruised by. People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not, simply spun around in amazed wonder as one of those cars drove by. Pictures do not do any justice to many Lamborghinis. They must be seen on the road in comparison to other cars to see the difference.
As far as what a Countach looks on the road, well, the effect could not be much different if an alien space craft cruised by. People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not, simply spun around in amazed wonder as one of those cars drove by. Pictures do not do any justice to many Lamborghinis. They must be seen on the road in comparison to other cars to see the difference.
When he found out my car was a 1995 (he was a previous 93 FD owner/racer) I laughed as he asked to sit in my car...then he offered to scratch me a check for the car on the spot...without asking if it was for sale or even a price.
People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not
Departing the Rotary meet at Deal's Gap 2005...about a dozen FD's stopped at a gas station leaving town and there happened to be a Harley Davidson ride stopped there as well. I'll never forget how a few bikers came over to inquire about these strange vehicles..."If you don't like the looks of that car...you plain out just don't like cars"
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Originally Posted by 2-Rotor
It is interesting to see how the FD represents itself well around exotics. The Ferrari Daytona or better known as the 365 GTB4 introduced in 1968 was the worlds fastest road going Ferrari at the time. It has a 4.4 liter V12 and had about 350hp and a top speed of about 172mph. The convertable version of this car was the Daytona Spyder which was seen in the early television series Miami Vice before they started driving the white testarossa.
07-31-06, 02:22 PM
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that car was not a real Daytona Spyder, actually. It was a bunch of Corvette's that they modified (there were many, just like the General Lee, for filming purposes). The Daytona Spyder was too rare and big $$ to use the real thing. Same with the 'Cuda in Nash Bridges, that was not a real 'Cuda Convertible, because there were only 9 or 10 of those made
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Originally Posted by axr6
Agree with all you say. There were real quality issues with those hand-built Lamborghinis. On my Jarama, once I was measuring for larger tires and realized that the front wheel wells had 2" of offset difference between the left and right sides. Of course hard to tell as no one can see both sides at the same times. The interiors looked cheap (yes, they were connolly leather).
Still, I wondered how in the hell they could sell those cars even for what they were asking for them? I was at the factory watching the craftsman (hmmmm....) pounding the Countach body parts out of sheet aluminum, using curved body hammers. They were casting the engine there, machining the crank shaft from a solid billet of steal, welding the tube chassis and hand cutting and sawing the interior. Quite a good sized factory with hundreds of employees trying to live on the sales of a few hundred cars per year. My Jarama was one of 170 ish cars, the Silhouette had only 52 ever made. Hardly the kind of numbers that would sustain a factory or provide money for development.
I used to think that there was really no development testing with Lamborghini, the customers were the real test subjects. After all, those who could afford the purchase price could also afford the repair costs.
As far as what a Countach looks on the road, well, the effect could not be much different if an alien space craft cruised by. People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not, simply spun around in amazed wonder as one of those cars drove by. Pictures do not do any justice to many Lamborghinis. They must be seen on the road in comparison to other cars to see the difference. Oh, yes, those American DOT bumpers and front wings to meet bumper height laws on the Countach were horrid looking.
Albert
Still, I wondered how in the hell they could sell those cars even for what they were asking for them? I was at the factory watching the craftsman (hmmmm....) pounding the Countach body parts out of sheet aluminum, using curved body hammers. They were casting the engine there, machining the crank shaft from a solid billet of steal, welding the tube chassis and hand cutting and sawing the interior. Quite a good sized factory with hundreds of employees trying to live on the sales of a few hundred cars per year. My Jarama was one of 170 ish cars, the Silhouette had only 52 ever made. Hardly the kind of numbers that would sustain a factory or provide money for development.
I used to think that there was really no development testing with Lamborghini, the customers were the real test subjects. After all, those who could afford the purchase price could also afford the repair costs.
As far as what a Countach looks on the road, well, the effect could not be much different if an alien space craft cruised by. People old and young, men or women, auto enthusiasts or not, simply spun around in amazed wonder as one of those cars drove by. Pictures do not do any justice to many Lamborghinis. They must be seen on the road in comparison to other cars to see the difference. Oh, yes, those American DOT bumpers and front wings to meet bumper height laws on the Countach were horrid looking.
Albert
annual meet. One of the guys with a nice, original 70 Buick Gran Sport stage II
had a Countach 10th Anniversary in the trailer with the Buick. He was transporting it for a friend of his. This Countach was in need of getting service and maintenence up to date and a good detailing. It was one of the most cosmetically worn exotics I had ever seen. It had about 48,000 Miles(maybe Kilos)
on it. Having been up close and personal to a new one, it was sad to see this one.
They thought this one could be bought for $30-35K. I remember they sold new for $160/170K. It might have taken $50/75K to get it into shape! One new driver's seat for a FD from Mazda is $3200. The FD is a true exotic. Excuse my rambling.
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