HEY GUYS..
NEED SOME HELP HERE..
MY FD 68,000mi WAS ON A CROSS COUNTRY JOURNEY FROM CA TO NY
WHICH WAS FUN ESPECIALLY WHEN MY FD REACHED 150 MPH IN NEVADA. BUT SOME 1000 MILES LATER, RIGHT ABOUT MID WAY IN NEBRASKA I WAS DRIVING THROUGH THE CITY AND SHE JUST LOST POWER AND DIED ON ME. TRIED RESTARTING IT OVER AND OVER WITH NO LUCK. . JUST A ROUGH IDLE AND THEN IT STALLS. I HEAR A CLICKING SOUND WHICH SOUNDS LIKE AN INJECTOR. MY APEX POWER FC WAS TELLING ME THAT I WAS BOOSTING ON AND OFF WHEN THE CAR WASNT EVEN ON. I REPLACED THE BOOST SENSOR AND THE READING WENT BACK TO A STEADY NUMBER ANDY WAS .. IT STARTS UP AND STALLS AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF FUEL IS IN THE ENGINE AND NOT FIRING OFF AND A LOT OF WHITE SMOKE IS COMING OUT THE EXHAUST THAT SMELLS LIKE FUEL.. EVERY MECHANIC IN NEBRASKA HAS A DIFFRENT OPINION .. FROM ALTITUDE CHANGES TO BAD GAS
IF ANY ONE HAS SOME BASIC TROUBLE SHOOTING TIPS ILL APPRECIATE IT. I AM HOPING ITS NOT A SEAL BUT SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE A VACCUM LINE OR ELETRICAL... NEED HELP....
THANX...
SAL

 

First of all, please don't type in all CAPS, it makes it harder to read.

Now, if you smell fuel from the exhaust, and from the engine bay, your car is flooded. It will not unflood its self like a normal piston motor. Try removing the fuel pump fuse from under the dashboard on the drivers side. Start the car then let it idle until it dies. Then replace your sparkplugs. Put the fuse back in, start it, and see if all goes well. If not, try this...
http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/s...g_flooded.html
If you don't want to use ATF, like it states, you don't have to. Also, the fuel pump relay thats mentioned in the write up is located in the engine bay, NOT under the dashboard where the fuel pump fuse is.

-Alex

 

If your PFC is giving a boost reading while the car isn't running I'd say you have a bad MAP sensor.

If it is a bad MAP sensor you might also check the drivers side fender well, look above the tire and see if the wiring harness is rubbing on the tire.

I fixed a FD with this exact problem last year, I mean exact same problem. Quit while running, would start but not run, boost reading on the PFC was maxed out. New MAP sensor, some tie wraps and electrical tape and it was fixed.

 

He already replaced the MAP sensor, so he probably just needs to check to see if the wiring harness is rubbing on the tire.

-Alex

 

If you are getting white fuel-smelling exhaust then your car is, as TT Rex said, heavily flooded. I suggest you remove the plugs, remove the EGI fuse, crank the car with the the throttle open intermittently in 10-second intervals with 30-second breaks for about five minutes. This will give the starter time to cool down but will get most of that stuff out of your engine. Replace the plugs with NEW plugs. Fouled plugs will not unfoul easily, esp. if they're old. Be sure to wipe all the fuel goo out of your engine bay prior to attempting to restart it. Probably not a good idea to do this in a confined space or with a hot engine; you WILL cause a fire.

There's probably a cause to your flooding problem; it's unlikely that your MAP sensor failure (or whatever sensor) could cause that much of a fuel dump. You may want to check and make sure you don't have a stuck-open injector; especially if the car starts and runs for a second and then stalls again after you un-flood it. Fuel injector o-rings sometimes fail and cause fuel to shoot past the injector; you can hear this if you open the throttle with the elbow removed and turn the ignition on (but not to start) - you will hear a distinct hollow spraying sound when the fuel pump is on (not good).

 

The PFC goes full rich when the MAP sensor fails. As soon as the car starts the injectors are told the engine has full boost, it'll flood really quickly that way.

The easiest way to unflood a flooded FD is to tow start it if that option is available. FDs don't flood nearly as often as FCs, good thing since they are a lot harder to get unflooded.

 

thanx.. for the uplifting quote... If your ever in lexington Nebraska,, stop into the automotive section of the walmart there.. nice bunch of guys that work there.. I stopped at the walmart to get a set of back tires cause mine were gone..
and would you beleive that they do not carry 275/35 r18's there? they couldnt figure out weather my FD was a Lamborgini, corvette or viper. but needless to say they didnt have that specific tire size there. well any way they did their best to get be back on the road. .. even let me watch the super bowl at thier house..


thanx for all the info..
as soon as it stops snowing. ill look into the sensor and get some new plugs. I think the main reason to the flooding was the "mechanics" jiggling every wire that they could see and telling the other "mechanic" to start it. and the blind stared that the FD got by the "mechanics" as they looked at her as is she was going to say .. Hey here is the problem right here!!


when you say clean the goo. out the engine..
you mean just by the spark plug opening??

 

thanx.. for the uplifting quote... If your ever in lexington Nebraska,, stop into the automotive section of the walmart there.. nice bunch of guys that work there.. I stopped at the walmart to get a set of back tires cause mine were gone..
and would you beleive that they do not carry 275/35 r18's there? they couldnt figure out weather my FD was a Lamborgini, corvette or viper. but needless to say they didnt have that specific tire size there. well any way they did their best to get be back on the road. .. even let me watch the super bowl at thier house..


thanx for all the info..
as soon as it stops snowing. ill look into the sensor and get some new plugs. I think the main reason to the flooding was the "mechanics" jiggling every wire that they could see and telling the other "mechanic" to start it. and the blind stares that the FD got by the "mechanics" as they looked at her as if she was going to say .. Hey here is the problem right here!!


when you say clean the goo. out the engine..
you mean just by the spark plug opening??

 

All the fuel/carbon that sprays out of your plug holes will collect on the frame inside your engine bay. Wipe it away and let it evaporate before starting the car because it is very flammable... brake parts cleaner works wonders.

 

I'm curious to know how hard was it for you to start?? I'm not sure about flooding since it seems like you did get it started..

When you do get it started, does it want to die and idle really bad (engine shakes rough)? Also, when RPM is increased, does it smooth out (usually 3k+RPM)?

If so, I would take out the plugs, take the fuel pump relay, and crank the car.. Ask someone else to crank it for you while you listen to the noise. If you hear any skip, most likely its blown..

I've seen 4 different blown engine.. One that blew coolant oring (my car) and smoked like crazy! One that blew oil control ring (my other car) also smoked like crazy! One that blew rear apex seal(good friend of mine), which had similar symptom as yours. and One that blew front apex seal (a car that I help put together, whom ran the car pretty hard and blew it) and he gave me the similar symptom as you.

I wish you luch and hope its something simple..

 

when it starts.. it automaticaly revs up to and hold a regular rpm's on its own for the same time it normally does and then it just winds down and dies. it sounds perfectly normal but just seems to choke from no fuel. I really think that its something simple but i am just hung up in PA and dont have tools or a lift to do this stuff..
and needless to say the dealer is not an option. to morrow is supposed to be better. ill see about towing it.

 

In Stroudsburg? Maybe you can swing the trip in Shoemakersville (Reading) to KD Rotary. If anyone is going to fix it fast, it's them.

Or some of the locals can help.

Dave

 

I don't think you blew your engine..

Let me think about it and see what might cause that..

 

im in lehighton PA abotu 30 mins from stroudsberg. its sucks moving to a new place and not knowing anything in the area. if i was still in hawaii . i may have been better off.
. i have heard about Kd rotary.. and being in a new place i am glad to know that they arent too far but my funds are at thier lowest due to my cross country journey and im not up to paying some one to do something like pull plugs and crank it.. but if all else fails i will be visiting them soon.

i have a feeling that it has somethign to do with the map sensor or the injectors.. driving cross country .. i filled up with gas drove about 200 miles then she died after i got off the high way.. and was cruising around town doing about 30 mph.
I really appreciate all your input with my stubborn FD..
a

 

You're less than an hour from them, IMO you're quite fortunate. They are reknowned for doing good work on lightly modded to stock cars. (some people dont' use their tuning services, but that's another story).

http://tinyurl.com/624a7

www.kdrotary.com has their contact info. You'll need to schedule a time with them.

Dave

 

Have you tested the fuel pump and how many miles on the fuel filter? My car would start and than die shortly after from a bad fuel pump/filter.

 

as far is i know.. the fuel pump is the original .. .
if it ever stops snowing. ill probably just take my fd to KD rotary i guess that that would be the logical option to one stop shopping.. like i said im just stapped for funds..
but im sure they can narrow it down to the problem the best.. i just like to learn more about my FD by doing things my self in turn .. breaking things in the process.. but its cold out side..
urgggh....

 

ok just to keep you guys up dated..
when i got into my house in PA. last night. the weather was ok..
this morning it started snowing.. and snowing.. and covered my hawaii honda killer with 3 inches of snow...
after a finger numbing efforts to get the snow off.. and push her into the garage.. i decided to jump her and see if she will run..
and surprisingly.. she turned over on the first try and stayed on.. she did sound a bit rough but i got out.. disconnected the jumper cables and drover her into the gararge.. still a lot of smoke so i couldnt keep her running in the garage but it sounds like she is running better.. but i will check her out again tomorrow..
hope fully she will be ok now..

 

change two .. i got her into the garage and i was letting the battery charge up and it started up after i disconnected the chargrer and she ran fine.. settled down at 1k .. and i was like wow.. it fixed it self.
but i was going to get in and rev it a little and i may have just been the timing but as soon as i turned the head lights on.. it died.. and then it started getting stubborn again..
go figure..