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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 03:57 PM
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Fd vs. Gto

Hey guys, I have a 93 R1 with a CB, DP, APEXI air intake, and boost gauge. There is a guy in my town with a 04 GTO who wants to race me, do you think that I can take him, I never seen a gto drive fast and have no clue how fast they are. Also, since im like the only guy into with anykind of import everyone says im gonna lose. What do you guys think, BE Honest!
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:00 PM
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By the way, im only 17 and a newbie so don't be to harsh on me.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:00 PM
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Look at the spec on the new ones they are laughable... That thing is so heavy it would sink an airplane carrier.

If your car is healthy you will mop the floor with him. SERIOUSLY.

EDIT-wait a minute. You said GTO in my mind I was thinking DODGE CHARGER.... My bad

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Oh you have an import, than you will lose.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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Is it a brand new GTO?

Look at the spec on the new ones they are laughable... That thing is so heavy it would sink an airplane carrier.
No, it is a 04 with a 5.7 V8 and a 6-speed.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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What kind of boost are you running. You probably already know, the gto have an ls1 corvette engine in them.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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Oh you have an import, than you will lose.

LOL, no but for real, I live in a small hillbilly town that is obsessed with chevys fords and pontiacs. I have a 97 accord for a daily and 93 fd for weekend, and I get alot of crap from people around here.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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youre 17? then your paents probably own a sedan like a camry right?...youre better off racing him with a camry or an accord man. those kick *** import sedans are FAST!
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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What kind of boost are you running. You probably already know, the gto have an ls1 corvette engine in them.
I think I am runnin around 8-10 lbs. but it spikes alot, and im plannin on gettin a boost controller or an apexi fc and comander.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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youre 17? then your paents probably own a sedan like a camry right?...youre better off racing him with a camry or an accord man. those kick *** import sedans are FAST!

Yeah, im 17 and my mom drives a saturn vue RWD suv, lol, I bought my car for 6k but it had blown apexi seals and I got a reman swap.
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Eh..I'm only 20 and own an FD...I pay for it myself, though. Ain't cheap, but worth every penny. :P

My friend's dad has a new GTO 6-speed also. They're quick, but I have a feeling I'd womp him, except from maybe a complete stop.

If you're having boost problems, I suggest checking all your solenoids, lines, check for leaks, or lines that have hardened and potentially cracked. If everything else is stock besides the mods you listed, you shouldn't be spiking that bad.

How high does it spike to? I had the same problem with mine, and I ended up going non-sequential. Not really a SOLUTION to the problem, but a temporary fix nonetheless, and alot less headache IMO. A Power FC w/ Commander would be good for you...and me.. :P
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:12 PM
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Eh..I'm only 20 and own an FD...I pay for it myself, though. Ain't cheap, but worth every penny. :P

My friend's dad has a new GTO 6-speed also. They're quick, but I have a feeling I'd womp him, except from maybe a complete stop.

If you're having boost problems, I suggest checking all your solenoids, lines, check for leaks, or lines that have hardened and potentially cracked. If everything else is stock besides the mods you listed, you shouldn't be spiking that bad.

How high does it spike to? I had the same problem with mine, and I ended up going non-sequential. Not really a SOLUTION to the problem, but a temporary fix nonetheless, and alot less headache IMO. A Power FC w/ Commander would be good for you...and me.. :P

Thanks for the advice, and the boost spikes up to like 14 and above. I bought the engine from a guy who parted out his Fd (due to wreck) and he said it was a reman. and was put in like 5k miles before I bought it. but the more I think about it, I think I got screwed.
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GTO curb weight is almost a grand heavier than an FD, even with all that power you should be able to handle one.
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8-10 psi huh... If you were runing a true 10 psi then you should easily take him.

04 GTO 350 Flywheel HP and at 3725 lbs = a pig.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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Well based on pure power to weight ratio you need to make 280 flywheel hp to have the same power to weight ratio as the 04 GTO. So it may be close but, I'd bet on the GTO due to the torque advantage it has.

If it was a 05 with the LS2 it wouldn't be close at all.

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Timmy06
Thanks for the advice, and the boost spikes up to like 14 and above. I bought the engine from a guy who parted out his Fd (due to wreck) and he said it was a reman. and was put in like 5k miles before I bought it. but the more I think about it, I think I got screwed.
Oh for crying outloud! buy a freaking boost controller and limit that boost to 10. Perfect example of why people blow their engines sheesh.

If you spiking past 14 psi and haven't blown it yet I don't think you got screwed...



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Sorry to say you most likely will not beat him. The 04's came with the LS2 6.0L 400hp. That car is a sleeper from hell. You would have to complete the bolt ons (intake, Dp, MP or hiflow cat, Catback, IC and at least a reflash) to beat it. Not to mention they respond great to mods.

Sure it weighs alot but not enough to make up the 100+ hp your down by.
04's came at 350 not 400 quite a big difference

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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:21 PM
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Sorry to say you most likely will not beat him. The 04's came with the LS2 6.0L 400hp. That car is a sleeper from hell. You would have to complete the bolt ons (intake, Dp, MP or hiflow cat, Catback, IC and at least a reflash) to beat it. Not to mention they respond great to mods.

Sure it weighs alot but not enough to make up the 100+ hp your down by.

Actually, im pretty sure that the 04 GTOs have a LS1 and have 350hp. I know that the 06 Gtos have a LS2 and 400hp, but im dealin with a 04. I may be wrong about this, so if I am correct me.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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Im planning on gettin a boost controller, but lately my car has been acting different. My best guess would be that the compression is low or somethin.
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Where is the vac at idle on your boost guage and at how much rpm?
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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a stock fd will murder a stock gto. gto'S GOT 400HP WEIGHT AROUND 4000LBS AND DOES A QMILE @ 13.9

a stock fd has only 255 runs a qmile @ 13.7-13.6 and weights 2800lbs

any questions!
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:33 PM
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Where is the vac at idle on your boost guage and at how much rpm?

As of now, im not sure what the vac is, but it is at like 1k maybe 1.5k rpms at idle.
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by montego
04's came at 350 not 400 quite a big difference
I remembered that right after I typed it.
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Do you have a boost guage? If so where is the needle on the boost guage when the FD is ilding?
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Old Dec 21, 2005 | 05:00 PM
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Do you have a boost guage? If so where is the needle on the boost guage when the FD is ilding?

It doesnt move hardly at all.
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So the guage stays at 0 untill you get into boost? How is your idle real rough? Either you have a real bad vacuum leak or your motor is shot you should have 18-15lbs on vac at idle with a stock setup...
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