FD V 2005 C6 Corvette
Originally Posted by jimlab
Great, now you opened the door for the 787B... 
lol, we'll let some of the other members bring it's glory (ahem) back out.
I like my FD, but damn, it's not the best sports car on the planet or ever made.
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From: Adelaide, South Australia
Originally Posted by Kento
It's those two little spinning things in the intake tract. Their appetite for fuel is pretty ravenous.
Also my post in the anti-det thread regarding "thermodynamic efficiency of various combustion chamber types"...
Their appetite for fuel is pretty ravenous. Also my post in the anti-det thread regarding "thermodynamic efficiency of various combustion chamber types"...
Originally Posted by jimlab
MapQuest says it's about 353 miles. Using 15 gallons, that's only 23.5 mpg.
He said he used the whole tank. The tank is over 20 gallons, so he's only getting about 18 mpg.
Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Wrong! Sorry. My FD with the stock twins dynoing 340RWHP got me from Niagara Falls Canada to Columbus Ohio on 1 tank of gas. The whole tank that is, but whatever. As long as you are not boosting, you get pretty good gas mileage. NO WAY a small bock 350 Chevy with 400 horses will do that, no way. As a general rule of thumb, bigger cubes=worse gas mileage.
When a rotary is not under boost, it's a 79 c.i. motor(ported in my case).
When a rotary is not under boost, it's a 79 c.i. motor(ported in my case).
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From: Redmond, WA
Originally Posted by adam c
Actually Jim,
He said he used the whole tank. The tank is over 20 gallons, so he's only getting about 18 mpg.
He said he used the whole tank. The tank is over 20 gallons, so he's only getting about 18 mpg.
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Whats great with the seven is buy the car for what 16,000 now and the new vette for what 43,000 thats about a 27000 price diff. add all that to the rx7 to met the price of the stock vette and see the comp. between the 2 the 7 would really really really kill it
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I don't think anyone here would argue stock for stock the FD is a faster car than a C5/C5-Z06/C6.
Price wise the Corvette and the RX-7 were about even back in 93-95 so you'll have to consider them even cars price was if you're going to look at this in the 'theory' world. If a new 2006 FE comes out it'll probably be in the 45k price range just like the Vette.
In practical reality you can now purchase a FD chassis and put together a FD that as a race (autox, track, drag) car that blows the socks off of a C5/C5-Z06/C6 Vette for < $30k. Will it be as quiet? No. Will it get as good mileage? No. Will it have as much headroom? No. Will you get a 3yr/36,000 mile warrenty (or whatever a new Vette comes with these days)? No.
So, is the FD a superior car? No. Is it still even 14 years later a superior sports car chassis to the Corvette? Yes, but Chevy is trying to make the ideal sports car for a 50 year old American male, not for a 23 year old race car driver. I don't see a 6'3" 240lb 50 year old enjoying climbing in and out of his FD too much or sitting in the stock seats.
Price wise the Corvette and the RX-7 were about even back in 93-95 so you'll have to consider them even cars price was if you're going to look at this in the 'theory' world. If a new 2006 FE comes out it'll probably be in the 45k price range just like the Vette.
In practical reality you can now purchase a FD chassis and put together a FD that as a race (autox, track, drag) car that blows the socks off of a C5/C5-Z06/C6 Vette for < $30k. Will it be as quiet? No. Will it get as good mileage? No. Will it have as much headroom? No. Will you get a 3yr/36,000 mile warrenty (or whatever a new Vette comes with these days)? No.
So, is the FD a superior car? No. Is it still even 14 years later a superior sports car chassis to the Corvette? Yes, but Chevy is trying to make the ideal sports car for a 50 year old American male, not for a 23 year old race car driver. I don't see a 6'3" 240lb 50 year old enjoying climbing in and out of his FD too much or sitting in the stock seats.
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From: Redmond, WA
Originally Posted by importrx7
Whats great with the seven is buy the car for what 16,000 now and the new vette for what 43,000 thats about a 27000 price diff. add all that to the rx7 to met the price of the stock vette and see the comp. between the 2 the 7 would really really really kill it
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From: Seattle
Originally Posted by jimlab
It's impossible to use the whole tank, and when the needle read empty on my car, I usually could only put in 15-16 gallons, therefore I used 15 to give him a break. As you pointed out, 20 gallons would be even worse.
Of course I've also ran out of gas like ~5 times as well, heh. Maximum miles I've received on a tank was ~380 mostly highway. Typical miles per tank nowadays is 330 with much city and some highway.Laters,
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let me do a conclusion here
rx-7 > * , reason as follow :
american car cant turn, as well as the supra.
mazda win LeMan with the 787b
rx-7 gets the better gas milage than honda insight, especially with a bridge port and T-88 turbo at WOT
it also has the aero dynamic body design that beats the insight in CD as well
rotary engine is SO MUCH lighter than a V8, a baby can lift it up with one hand
stock Rx-7 kick corvette / supra's butt ..... in year 1993
rx-7 interior is using high quality plastic it also has a timeless design steering wheel that the C6 vette cant beat.
let me know what else i m missing
btw
rx-7 > * , reason as follow :
american car cant turn, as well as the supra.
mazda win LeMan with the 787b
rx-7 gets the better gas milage than honda insight, especially with a bridge port and T-88 turbo at WOT
it also has the aero dynamic body design that beats the insight in CD as well
rotary engine is SO MUCH lighter than a V8, a baby can lift it up with one hand
stock Rx-7 kick corvette / supra's butt ..... in year 1993
rx-7 interior is using high quality plastic it also has a timeless design steering wheel that the C6 vette cant beat.
let me know what else i m missing
btw
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From: Redmond, WA
Originally Posted by grinn253
Well, my 1993 (build sticker 6/92?) I'm able to put >19.5 gallons of gas, i may still have the receipts. Also usual is >18 gallons Of course I've also ran out of gas like ~5 times as well, heh. Maximum miles I've received on a tank was ~380 mostly highway. Typical miles per tank nowadays is 330 with much city and some highway.
Of course I've also ran out of gas like ~5 times as well, heh. Maximum miles I've received on a tank was ~380 mostly highway. Typical miles per tank nowadays is 330 with much city and some highway.On the other hand, the Z06 has an 18 gallon tank and I was getting just over 500 miles from each tank on the way home from Alabama, cruising at ~80 mph in 6th much of the time. It was a ~3,300 mile trip and I filled up only 6 times (car came with a full tank of gas from the dealership).
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From: Overland Park, KS
Originally Posted by Mahjik
Tell that to the current JGTC GT500 points leader...
and pulling out this card. At what point is that no longer a cavy and when is that supra no longer a supra?
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From: Orange City, FL
Originally Posted by IntialD_Driver
Why grab an EVO when you can get an OZ Rally for half the price and add a turbo and intercooler and have just as much hp and the EVO. maybe you dont get the EVO VII spoiler but you can alway add it at the purchase time.
the 2 cars are completely different packages, and no, it would not be easy to just mod an OZ to EVO specs. so start with, it would mean stripped the entire chassis and matching all the changes that the EVO has, then swapping in an entire drive train from an EVO... great money saving scheme there.
as this and your other posts in this thread have so graciously pointed out, you know nothing of which you speak. your entire c6vsFD argument is based on a ricers conjecture. go back to talking about initial D and dreaming of owning an FD.
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From: Dallas
Originally Posted by grinn253
Well, my 1993 (build sticker 6/92?) I'm able to put >19.5 gallons of gas, i may still have the receipts. Also usual is >18 gallons
Originally Posted by c00lduke
But that almost in the same situation as, well all cavaliers are slow.
and pulling out this card. At what point is that no longer a cavy and when is that supra no longer a supra?
and pulling out this card. At what point is that no longer a cavy and when is that supra no longer a supra?
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The Z06 gets much better mileage than any FD could ever hope to acheive?
I once got 27 mpg in my stock FD cruising at 70mph for one tank of gas... the complete 1200 miles road trip got me 24 mpg average.
but I'm lucky if i get 16 mpg in the city :p
The Z06 gets much better mileage than any FD could ever hope to acheive?
I once got 27 mpg in my stock FD cruising at 70mph for one tank of gas... the complete 1200 miles road trip got me 24 mpg average.
but I'm lucky if i get 16 mpg in the city :p
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From: Silicon Valley Bay Area
Originally Posted by jimlab
You do know that drifting isn't the fastest way around a race track, right?
Also, if you think a stock FD could take a stock Z06, you'd better think again. I wouldn't usually resort to power to weight ratios, but in this case, it's ridiculous... 10.9:1 (255 horsepower, 2,800 lbs.) for the stock FD, 7.7:1 for the stock Z06 (405 horsepower, 3115 lbs.), and the Z06 has far more area under the curve. No contest whatsoever.
Also, if you think a stock FD could take a stock Z06, you'd better think again. I wouldn't usually resort to power to weight ratios, but in this case, it's ridiculous... 10.9:1 (255 horsepower, 2,800 lbs.) for the stock FD, 7.7:1 for the stock Z06 (405 horsepower, 3115 lbs.), and the Z06 has far more area under the curve. No contest whatsoever.
The only way I was able to take a Z06 (driver only) with a passenger in the FD on the freeway with just DP and CB was a nice boost creep of 15psi~.
and that was a veeeeeery slow pull.
Even though the vettes are heavier, doesn't the increased width in chassis and tires make up for that?
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From: Silicon Valley Bay Area
Originally Posted by Mahjik
Tell that to the current JGTC GT500 points leader...
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
.......I like my FD, but damn, it's not the best sports car on the planet or ever made.
It's the Supdawgs.
A quote from www.mkiv.com :
".......The Supra is regarded by many as one of the best all round sports cars that money can buy........."
Last time I tried to argue that a Miata or FD will take out the MKIV in the autocross they laughed it off and wanted to send their "soldiers" to meet up with me "any time and anywhere."