Just read in C&D "the 25,735 base price represents the best performance value in the industry"

Every single article I've read is praising the car upside down and backwards there isn't one nay sayer like me out there so no doubt I'm clearly way off base, OR AM I

Again hopefully I'm wrong and they sell at least 20k units this year and next. If that happens I think another RX7 has a chance. Sell miata sell

 

Trust me if the 911 was still a 1990s 911 it wouldn't sell like it does today. Sure there would be some nuts out there buying it the same way there are nuts buying it today for 75k etc... but that's a super small market as is I believe the miata market.

How mazda and the editors didn't see this as a problem is beyond me.

Cars either improve or die.

Everyone was bitching about the s2k not improving blah blah blah

PS Yes the NA miata was a great car and the other models are also great cars. The FD is a great car and if mazda built another one just like it I doubt I'd buy it because I already own it

 

Which brings us back to that letter. Crane makes some nice stationery.

 

Yep and YEP and YEP!

 

Instead of sarcasm tell me how you feel about the miata. Do you think mazda did the right thing and do you think it will sell? Building the exact same car dressed in new clothes for 25 years hasn't worked. The last two gens didn't sell for sh#t and I don't see this 4th gen selling but the mag editors sure love it.

As far as the letter goes it's too late. I'll let the sales numbers tell Mazda they effed up

 

What's crazy to me is why the miata is such a pet of the mags.

If any other car was made exactly the same for 25 years they would bomb the f#ck out of it.

 

No I wouldn't. However, only trying to sell to previous owners is a terrible business plan for a cheap low profit car.

 

You're creating a false dichotomy whereby any car not meeting some arbitrary weight and power ideals is considered less than desirable. That's not how it works. You're not the only buyer out there.

Almost one million Miatas have sold globally and well over half of those were NB and NC model year cars. No doubt the NA was a home run but saying the later generations didn't sell for **** is more hyperbole.


Same type of buyer; not same buyer.

 

I wouldn't buy the miata if it was 250 HP and 2500 pounds. I own that car and then some with my FD. BUT I think lots of other people would. Maybe I am completely wrong.

As mentioned in the US the NA sold more than both the NB AND NC combined. The NC sold less than the NB and I predict the ND will sell less than the NC.

What do you think. Have an opinion other than the miata is the miata and it's sold 1 million cars.

Do you think Mazda messed up making a similar car or do you think there is a market for it and it will sell well? Well as in similar to the NA or NB.

Or do you think it will be another flop like the NC? Yes in my book the NC was a flop.

 

The car market has evolved. Even if it was the same NA model that doesn't mean today's market would buy it. I don't think the new model fits into the current car enthusiast segment. I can't see a guy going out and buying one to enjoy on the road and at autox events. I don't know, the new model seems emasculating to drive. It's attempting to be trendy now and is too sharp looking. It's a wussy. F that thing.

 

i agree the FD is the best mazda ever, and that's 100% biased because i own one.

as far as improving the miata, i would argue that mazda has accomplished this with each generation: the current 0-60mph on the ND is now down to 5.8sec according to M/T vs. 8.2sec on the 1.8L NA, 1/4 mile in 14.5sec vs. 15.8sec on the NA, same goes for lateral Gs, cornering speeds, etc. etc. and they've been able to do this while being forced to meet and exceed way way stricter safety and emission regulations, and all for good reason - this is evolution without spoiling the recipe. sure the NA was nice and cheap, but if you were in an accident trust me you'd want to be in the ND and not the NA. also, you can't shake the stereotype of the NA being a chick's car and Mazda has ensured that the ND doesn't give that first impression.

as for a 1990's 911, it would fly off the lots if Porsche still made them and that's why their prices are skyrocketing beyond true value and companies like Singer are making a killing. i'm on the other side of this debate not for the sake of arguing but because it's just how i see it.

i guess time will tell if this new miata will be a fail, but i hope not as without its success another more powerful and serious performance enthusiast's car won't be coming from Mazda...

 

LOL

I had a look at one of the mags that put the ND against the NA and the ND barely won

Likely not the US nd but still pretty embarrassing so although it may appear pretty good on paper at the track it didn't do that well.

5.8 is actually not too shabby and really hard to believe considering the power and weight. Maybe the power is a little over 155. I think the NA 1.8 had 130 HP or so and was 100 pounds lighter. So again interesting. Must be the shoes/tires. On a seriously note it has to be the gearing. Which may or may not help the car for autox. Any knowledge on this? Hell I'm going to be a miata expert pretty soon

Lots of folks believe those air cooled 911s are the greatest and I sure wish they'd make them again. Imagine how many RS cars they'd sell at the old 50k price

You've given me a little glimmer of hope so I appreciate that. The sales will say everything and again I hope the car does stellar so we have a greater chance of Mazda reintroducing the RX7 or another competitive LW sports car. However I'm still pissed because I don't think they did enough. Even 200 HP would of made it semi possible. As it stands I'm bummed.

So what are your thoughts on sales #s. Do you think this ND will do pretty well?

PS EVEN BETTER! If mazda started making the FD again. I'd take a new R1 at 31k no problem

 

You can read or watch the test motor trend did with the ND vs. BRZ, but i guess they could just be lying about everything. Also there is a video by Top Speed where the NA is given a 4-second head start and the ND still beats it in a single lap. But again that is probably a bs test result as well.


let's just all hate the new miata... its easier that way

@ Fritz


I have no idea what sales will be like globally but again hope it is successful

 

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I think the new Alfa 4C would fit that bill perfectly... 2450lbs is pretty petite in our day and age.

 

As Binz and the mag editors have pointed out this is a terrific little car. Possibly the ND Miata is as brilliant as depicted in literally every single article I've read. They are either selling ice to an eskimo or it's really REALLY GOOD!!!! Hell I think I'll get one....umm on second thought no thanks but you almost had me. However hopefully there will be a huge market that bolsters mazda belief in sports cars again so they decide to produce a COMPETITIVE/AFFORDABLE light weight sports car.

Fingers crossed

Here's the 4 second comparison vid Mazda MX-5 Miata NA vs Mazda MX-5 Miata ND Showdown - Video - autoevolution (1st there is over 2 seconds on the standing start if the 5.8 is correct LOL) and one driver appears to be pushing very hard and the other is chilling. Selling ice to an eskimo isn't easy. In the article I read it was head to head from both standing and flying starts and I think it was about .5 seconds to 1 second difference. I have to go back to barnes and noble and reread the article because I can't find it on google. Maybe I was dreaming.

Here is the motortrend article which really does give me hope: But I believe most buyers will still go for the BRZ which has already worn out its welcome. BTW the Bridgestone is the better/faster tire. 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata vs. 2015 Subaru BRZ Comparison - Motor Trend All Pages

A miata is a miata lets just leave it at that because mazda and everyone else seems perfectly happy and clearly don't want to mess up a good thing. IMO based on #s the NA and ND are almost exactly the same and maybe that's exactly what everyone wants.

Again fingers crossed

Cool little car and I will definitely keep an eye on the used market.

 

It was grass roots that had the comparison and it was the NC (not the NA) and ND but still interesting.

Overall the ND is better by an avg of about 1/2 second. Not much performance improvement but both drivers agreed the ND is the overall better car than the NC which is nice to hear.

Again I've read nothing but stellar reviews so lets hope for the best

 

i dont know if i even want a new rx7. they will likely botch it up and i think it will devalue our cars both economically and figuratively (not the right word i am looking for).

 

Agreed. As an example, when ford redesigned the nostalgic mustang in 2005 it basically propelled the classic 65 mustang to a higher price tag. The same thing can be said when the camaro or challenger were reintroduced.

 

Hahah sh$t you caught me. 15yrs on wall street (specifically in the hedge fund world) will do this to a guy. I live this way. Horrible. You know I stumble upon my old posts from 10yrs ago and realize I wasn't always this way. Please take me with a grain of salt.

I do disagree with you though. I agree in that I think a "proper" new 7 would be 60-80k. But I think they will make it an affordable sports car. That was the message of the rx7 prior to the fd. They did well with the first two gens then failed on the 3rd. So from a business perspective my guess is they go back to what worked.

 

Hard for me to argue against these facts. I didn't know that.

 

Well Gordon consider this.... I sold my last fd at literallly the bottom of the economic and stock market crisis. Let's hope my entry last month back into a FD wasn't now the top. This is actually a running joke on my desk. After today's beat down it is starting to look like it could become a reality. Ha

 

LOL

After getting crushed by the dot com bubble I decided I wouldn't let it happen again. Sold my entire 401k may 2014 at 16,500.

Kept pouring money in and when it hit 18k sold again. I'll keep pouring in and if it hits 20k I'll sell again.

The stock market is a joke. Eventually no one will have money to buy an apple I phone if things stay the way they are. You can't play monopoly very long if you take all the money from the other players and on top of that charge little interest to the winning player to barrow and buy more prop blah blah. In other words we have a really poorly setup economy that's going to go the same way china's did and japan's before it.

If the market gets cut in 1/2 like china and japans did I'll be waiting.

 

So the key question (unrelated to the original post) is how did you know when to sell and then when to start pouring money back in?

Any insight from you former Wall Street guys for us corporate working stiffs?

I said the same thing as Fritz after getting hit by dot com, but still searching for the secret sauce.

 

As Gordon pointed out the only way to make money is to go against the tide which means you don't listen to your broker or the WSJ but go with your gut based upon as much info as you can gather about the US and world economy etc...

Lots of people still see this economy as healthy and growing. I obviously feel like they are smoking crack but the economy and market is a funny **** so you never know it could go to 10k or 25k LOL

 

screw stocks!! buy gold and silver. I deal in gold, silver and rare coins on the side. my dealer recently purchased a half sent coin for 10k. there is only 4 known. the last one sold for 60k. they great thing about coins is that when you buy and sell its CASH, no bs taxes etc