FD on Ebay - $150K in receipts....
01-02-04, 01:29 AM
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then why is he selling his poor investment to pay for kid's education? obviously money is an issue
then why is he selling his poor investment to pay for kid's education? obviously money is an issue
Face it-- you acted like an ******* with your original comment. You're just digging a deeper hole. Spend your efforts fixing your mess with Pineapple.
01-03-04, 12:02 AM
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Hey, 93BlackFD, you should just stop now while you can. Jim Lab is 100% correct when he asks "what's your point" as the only thing I can come up with is that you're trying to make an excuse as to why you thought he was selling his car.
Personally, I think that $30k is a great deal for that car... I'll have spent more than that to get my car to that level...
Also, who cares about the 93k on the chassis.... the engine is almost brand new.
Actually, if I had the funds (as it is obvious that Wael does, given his expenditures), I would buy his car and sell mine... or better yet, sell mine and get that Elise (or an F355...)...
When you have the money, spending a little more to put the best on your car isn't a big deal...
oh, as as far as basically any car is concerned, most mods are "worthless" when you're trying to resell a car unless you happen to find someone that wants the same mods that you've already put on the car, and that person feels that buying yours would be cheaper than building it him/herself.... and, as we've already seen, some people are purists and wouldn't buy a modded car -- they'd rather pay top $$ for a totally stock one... (I'm not sure why you'd do that for an RX-7 though as it's not really collectible...)
Personally, I think that $30k is a great deal for that car... I'll have spent more than that to get my car to that level...
Also, who cares about the 93k on the chassis.... the engine is almost brand new.
Actually, if I had the funds (as it is obvious that Wael does, given his expenditures), I would buy his car and sell mine... or better yet, sell mine and get that Elise (or an F355...)...
When you have the money, spending a little more to put the best on your car isn't a big deal...
oh, as as far as basically any car is concerned, most mods are "worthless" when you're trying to resell a car unless you happen to find someone that wants the same mods that you've already put on the car, and that person feels that buying yours would be cheaper than building it him/herself.... and, as we've already seen, some people are purists and wouldn't buy a modded car -- they'd rather pay top $$ for a totally stock one... (I'm not sure why you'd do that for an RX-7 though as it's not really collectible...)
01-03-04, 12:17 AM
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and, as we've already seen, some people are purists and wouldn't buy a modded car -- they'd rather pay top $$ for a totally stock one... (I'm not sure why you'd do that for an RX-7 though as it's not really collectible...) [/B]
01-03-04, 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by rx7raca
93blackfd:
it seems that you always have something to say about someone, i have yet to see you say something good about someone. it blows my mind that you would have the silentest effort to even make fun of this guy for putting that kind of money into a car. if you have the money, why not spend it? you cant take it with you when you die, so why not enjoy it. just my way of thinking i guess.
just because he put 150k in and maybe alot of it is from labor, that doesnt mean he spend it, he still put the money into it. 150k is 150k, no matter what it is spent on, weather if its parts or whatever. he should get the respect that he put in the "rench time" and money.
93blackfd:
it seems that you always have something to say about someone, i have yet to see you say something good about someone. it blows my mind that you would have the silentest effort to even make fun of this guy for putting that kind of money into a car. if you have the money, why not spend it? you cant take it with you when you die, so why not enjoy it. just my way of thinking i guess.
just because he put 150k in and maybe alot of it is from labor, that doesnt mean he spend it, he still put the money into it. 150k is 150k, no matter what it is spent on, weather if its parts or whatever. he should get the respect that he put in the "rench time" and money.
did no body see this? seems like everyone just restates everything i just said.
and this quote is great
(I'm not sure why you'd do that for an RX-7 though as it's not really collectible...)
like i said before, if you wanna mod the crap out of your fd, and as long as you dont make it ricey, whats the problem? there is none.
so everyone should just drop this, this guy wanted to spend the money, so what...end of story, leave him alone.
how can there be this much drama over how much is spent on this fd...feels just like my highschool.
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while we're all aware of that, i think that deep down inside, we're all hopin that one day, that just might change...haha
while we're all aware of that, i think that deep down inside, we're all hopin that one day, that just might change...haha
01-03-04, 12:53 AM
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Wow, I've been following Wael's car since I first got into mine about 5 years ago. His car is one FD that is truly worth that asking price. I've seen other wanna be's asking that much for their FD that has nowhere near the work that Wael's has in. As someone previously said, hopefully it does not fall into the wrong hands.
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01-03-04, 01:27 AM
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http://www.efini.net/374rwhp.htm
thats the oddest looking dyno sheet....i dunno maybe im tired.
an exceptionally nice car...and kudos to the time and knowledge put into it..truly
dont know if would throw down the cash for it...just a taste issue personally. with a 150k into it one would think it would be spitshine clean and polished like jlabs is going to be. the red plenum has gotta go.
i do hope that it does not go to some foolish leadfoot who is on his first sportscar. if so..RIP...hopefully it will go to someone who will maintain it.
will be interesting to see who picks it up and if they join the forums
thats the oddest looking dyno sheet....i dunno maybe im tired.
an exceptionally nice car...and kudos to the time and knowledge put into it..truly
dont know if would throw down the cash for it...just a taste issue personally. with a 150k into it one would think it would be spitshine clean and polished like jlabs is going to be. the red plenum has gotta go.
i do hope that it does not go to some foolish leadfoot who is on his first sportscar. if so..RIP...hopefully it will go to someone who will maintain it.
will be interesting to see who picks it up and if they join the forums
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01-03-04, 02:18 AM
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The car has a reference grade stereo and custom leather work These items alone can account for more than 1/3 the asking price. I think it's a great buy for those that value features such as these.
I'm sure many of you have other ideas of how to spend the money he has invested in the car. Keep in mind that he didn't spend it all at once. Instead, he slowly upgraded over nearly 10 years.
I'm sure many of you have other ideas of how to spend the money he has invested in the car. Keep in mind that he didn't spend it all at once. Instead, he slowly upgraded over nearly 10 years.
01-03-04, 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by artguy
http://www.efini.net/374rwhp.htm
thats the oddest looking dyno sheet....i dunno maybe im tired.
the forums
http://www.efini.net/374rwhp.htm
thats the oddest looking dyno sheet....i dunno maybe im tired.
the forums
The only thing I didn't like about the car is the chromed side mirrors, but other than that it is very very nice.
Actually, I might buy it.
01-03-04, 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by Trexthe3rd
That is an odd looking chart, the run was done in 4th gear up to 7500RPM. That's around 120mph on the road! I'd be scared to stand any where near that car when this is done. I usually see dynos done in 3rd.
The only thing I didn't like about the car is the chromed side mirrors, but other than that it is very very nice.
Actually, I might buy it.
That is an odd looking chart, the run was done in 4th gear up to 7500RPM. That's around 120mph on the road! I'd be scared to stand any where near that car when this is done. I usually see dynos done in 3rd.
The only thing I didn't like about the car is the chromed side mirrors, but other than that it is very very nice.
Actually, I might buy it.
i did all my pulls in 4th gear.....i was a bit deaf afterwards but it was fun
01-03-04, 11:32 AM
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Wael called me last night and told me about this thread.
He said he found most of the posts hilarious. I, too, find this thread amusing.
Wael wants to sell his car because he wants to "move on"(well, at least that was how I understood it). He thought about getting the Lotus Elise to replace the RX7 initially. But then he changed his mind and was thinking of getting the BMW M5 instead. As of last night, he was resigned to keeping the car.
He said he found most of the posts hilarious. I, too, find this thread amusing.
Wael wants to sell his car because he wants to "move on"(well, at least that was how I understood it). He thought about getting the Lotus Elise to replace the RX7 initially. But then he changed his mind and was thinking of getting the BMW M5 instead. As of last night, he was resigned to keeping the car.
01-03-04, 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by vosko
wael's car is really nice. saw it in person like 4 years ago. he should have no problem selling it.
i did all my pulls in 4th gear.....i was a bit deaf afterwards but it was fun
wael's car is really nice. saw it in person like 4 years ago. he should have no problem selling it.
i did all my pulls in 4th gear.....i was a bit deaf afterwards but it was fun
01-03-04, 02:28 PM
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This is a funny thread, I happened to come across it last night while surfing. I had to call Ed (Mr.Stock) and tell him about it. A man can't sell his car quietly and get away with it
You guys are just too funny. I can't get over all the cool posts. To clear a few things up. Jim's post is correct, I am selling the rx-7 and the S2000 because the Elise a good combination of both cars (around the track that is). But, due to the on going projects with the S2000, I was advised by those close to me to hold on to it for at least one year longer. That meant if I keep the S2000, I don't need the Elise because the S2000 (although not the same as the Elise) will satisfy the open-top, raw drive that I like in a sports car. I also have my reservations about the Elise in the long term, but that's a whole other subject, best kept for another thread.
This leaves the rx-7 up for sale and I decided if I sell the rx-7, it has to be replaced with a car of similar performance, yet completely different, its just time for a change like Ed pointed out, 10 years of the same thing wears you down. Besides, a man can't keep buying yellow sports cars everytime.
The BMW M5 is a good change for me, never owned a 4 door car in my life, let alone a 400hp, 370 lb-ft sedan with a 6 speed. So I test drove one and they are bloody fast. Incredible machines that are very comfortable, very very fast, extremely well finished (not one plastic surface isn't covered in double stitched leather, even the headliner is alacantara). The car does almost everything a sports car can do with no fuss, no lag, not even breaking a sweat...and it can handle. Its not perfect, it need a big brake kit if you track it, it needs an exhaust system, and it needs the understeer dialed out (buy stock rear wheels and mount them on the front).
The key is to sell the rx-7 right away because I want to buy the M5 now, right away, not months from now. If the rx-7 doesn't sell now I will hold on to it and sell the S2000 in a year. The rx-7 will simply not lose any more value. The car has already lost the bulk of its value. Unlike anything else I buy, in one year I can still sell my car for the same amount as I want to sell it for this year.
Regardless of what happens, I think the Elise is a great car that many will buy but you're very likely to see them up for sale, hardly driven within a year from delivery. People will fall in love with the car but when they start driving them around town they'll realise they're not practical, even by sports car standards the Elise will be too much for the street. They're close to a Lotus 7 in the raw feel and let's be honest, one like feedback, but I don't need to know every time I drive over a Kit Kat warper on the road. Elise's will be readily available used, and onne will be able to save a bit of money buying them used, and believe me there will be plenty.
The rx-7 is very special and all those close to me bet that if I sell mine, in less than 2 years I will buy another. They're probably right. But I would like to get a white rx-7 this time. I will look into importing a 2000 model white RZ from Japan. I believe they sell for about $20k in Japan, then add about $10k to import it and convert it to US spec. and you have the real thing instead of buying a 1994 white and converting it with all the 99 parts, buying the red recaro seats for $1800 each, try and source the OE grey BBS wheels, painting the car the right color (the white is actually a white mica pearl that was used on the US Mazda 929 in 2000-2001). In the end it will still be a fake RZ.
cheers
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You guys are just too funny. I can't get over all the cool posts. To clear a few things up. Jim's post is correct, I am selling the rx-7 and the S2000 because the Elise a good combination of both cars (around the track that is). But, due to the on going projects with the S2000, I was advised by those close to me to hold on to it for at least one year longer. That meant if I keep the S2000, I don't need the Elise because the S2000 (although not the same as the Elise) will satisfy the open-top, raw drive that I like in a sports car. I also have my reservations about the Elise in the long term, but that's a whole other subject, best kept for another thread.
This leaves the rx-7 up for sale and I decided if I sell the rx-7, it has to be replaced with a car of similar performance, yet completely different, its just time for a change like Ed pointed out, 10 years of the same thing wears you down. Besides, a man can't keep buying yellow sports cars everytime
. The BMW M5 is a good change for me, never owned a 4 door car in my life, let alone a 400hp, 370 lb-ft sedan with a 6 speed. So I test drove one and they are bloody fast. Incredible machines that are very comfortable, very very fast, extremely well finished (not one plastic surface isn't covered in double stitched leather, even the headliner is alacantara). The car does almost everything a sports car can do with no fuss, no lag, not even breaking a sweat...and it can handle. Its not perfect, it need a big brake kit if you track it, it needs an exhaust system, and it needs the understeer dialed out (buy stock rear wheels and mount them on the front).
The key is to sell the rx-7 right away because I want to buy the M5 now, right away, not months from now. If the rx-7 doesn't sell now I will hold on to it and sell the S2000 in a year. The rx-7 will simply not lose any more value. The car has already lost the bulk of its value. Unlike anything else I buy, in one year I can still sell my car for the same amount as I want to sell it for this year.
Regardless of what happens, I think the Elise is a great car that many will buy but you're very likely to see them up for sale, hardly driven within a year from delivery. People will fall in love with the car but when they start driving them around town they'll realise they're not practical, even by sports car standards the Elise will be too much for the street. They're close to a Lotus 7 in the raw feel and let's be honest, one like feedback, but I don't need to know every time I drive over a Kit Kat warper on the road. Elise's will be readily available used, and onne will be able to save a bit of money buying them used, and believe me there will be plenty.
The rx-7 is very special and all those close to me bet that if I sell mine, in less than 2 years I will buy another. They're probably right. But I would like to get a white rx-7 this time. I will look into importing a 2000 model white RZ from Japan. I believe they sell for about $20k in Japan, then add about $10k to import it and convert it to US spec. and you have the real thing instead of buying a 1994 white and converting it with all the 99 parts, buying the red recaro seats for $1800 each, try and source the OE grey BBS wheels, painting the car the right color (the white is actually a white mica pearl that was used on the US Mazda 929 in 2000-2001). In the end it will still be a fake RZ.
cheers
W
01-03-04, 02:36 PM
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The RZ isn't anything special compared to a modified FD that's setup properly. Who cares if it is a Mazda labeled "RZ"? 4.3 gears, the 99-spec turbos, 99-spec rear brakes (not a real significant upgrade), and Recaros - all of which and MORE are available here.
I think you're going to regret selling the car, Wael. In addition, I don't know much about Lotus' current level of reliability, but they don't exactly have the best track record for it.
You've spent the time to prepare your car how you want it - why not park it and drive the S2K, allowing you ample off-time to get away from the FD for a while without selling the car and regretting the decision?
The M5 while an awesome machine will lose a good portion of it's value just buying it and moving it from the dealer to your house. But I presume you're buying one new - possibly you aren't.
I think you're going to regret selling the car, Wael. In addition, I don't know much about Lotus' current level of reliability, but they don't exactly have the best track record for it.
You've spent the time to prepare your car how you want it - why not park it and drive the S2K, allowing you ample off-time to get away from the FD for a while without selling the car and regretting the decision?
The M5 while an awesome machine will lose a good portion of it's value just buying it and moving it from the dealer to your house. But I presume you're buying one new - possibly you aren't.
01-03-04, 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by clayne
Did my pulls in 4th too. All you can think about is 140 mph into the wall in front of you.
Did my pulls in 4th too. All you can think about is 140 mph into the wall in front of you.
01-03-04, 04:09 PM
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Whoa, look at that dash!! Thats actually pretty damn nice! And everything else looks proper too... And then hes got all polished parts under the hood with a RED powder coated UIM ??!! What was he smokin ?!
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You're right about everything you've pointed out. I agree completely on the resale. That is one of the points I did make, that is, if the car doesn't get me whatever I want, I won't sell it because its done losing value while anything else I buy will only go down in value. I agree.
I am still not sure where my infatuation with the white RZ comes from. Everytime I see a photo of that darn car I get excited, actually I have it as a background photo on my screen
I believe the production was only 100 cars, so its pretty darn rare too. But overall I agree, its probably not going to be as good a handler as a car with a good European race suspension.
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I am still not sure where my infatuation with the white RZ comes from. Everytime I see a photo of that darn car I get excited, actually I have it as a background photo on my screen
I believe the production was only 100 cars, so its pretty darn rare too. But overall I agree, its probably not going to be as good a handler as a car with a good European race suspension.
cheers
W
Originally posted by clayne
The RZ isn't anything special compared to a modified FD that's setup properly. Who cares if it is a Mazda labeled "RZ"? 4.3 gears, the 99-spec turbos, 99-spec rear brakes (not a real significant upgrade), and Recaros - all of which and MORE are available here.
I think you're going to regret selling the car, Wael. In addition, I don't know much about Lotus' current level of reliability, but they don't exactly have the best track record for it.
You've spent the time to prepare your car how you want it - why not park it and drive the S2K, allowing you ample off-time to get away from the FD for a while without selling the car and regretting the decision?
The M5 while an awesome machine will lose a good portion of it's value just buying it and moving it from the dealer to your house. But I presume you're buying one new - possibly you aren't.
The RZ isn't anything special compared to a modified FD that's setup properly. Who cares if it is a Mazda labeled "RZ"? 4.3 gears, the 99-spec turbos, 99-spec rear brakes (not a real significant upgrade), and Recaros - all of which and MORE are available here.
I think you're going to regret selling the car, Wael. In addition, I don't know much about Lotus' current level of reliability, but they don't exactly have the best track record for it.
You've spent the time to prepare your car how you want it - why not park it and drive the S2K, allowing you ample off-time to get away from the FD for a while without selling the car and regretting the decision?
The M5 while an awesome machine will lose a good portion of it's value just buying it and moving it from the dealer to your house. But I presume you're buying one new - possibly you aren't.
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Can you put me in touch with you mechanic buddy? I would like to get his point of view, as all I talked to so far say its been bullet-proof mechanically, just a few minor electronic glitches, but they are rare too.
To answer your question, BMW stopped making the M5 (E39 body style) because there is a new body style (E60). Photos of the new M5 have been floating around the net, its confirmed to have a V10, with 500 hp, 5.5 liter, normally aspirated, cost is estimated around $90k...which, in my view, still a good deal, but out of my price range.
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To answer your question, BMW stopped making the M5 (E39 body style) because there is a new body style (E60). Photos of the new M5 have been floating around the net, its confirmed to have a V10, with 500 hp, 5.5 liter, normally aspirated, cost is estimated around $90k...which, in my view, still a good deal, but out of my price range.
cheers
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
Oh yeah, the M5 is an awesome car but BMW mechanic buddies are not too impressed with its reliability compared to run of the mill 330 and 328.
Don't know why but they stopped selling new M5 as of May 2003. Why? Not enough market for it?
Oh yeah, the M5 is an awesome car but BMW mechanic buddies are not too impressed with its reliability compared to run of the mill 330 and 328.
Don't know why but they stopped selling new M5 as of May 2003. Why? Not enough market for it?
01-03-04, 10:34 PM
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Can you put me in touch with you mechanic buddy? I would like to get his point of view, as all I talked to so far say its been bullet-proof mechanically, just a few minor electronic glitches, but they are rare too.
Can you put me in touch with you mechanic buddy? I would like to get his point of view, as all I talked to so far say its been bullet-proof mechanically, just a few minor electronic glitches, but they are rare too.
Good luck on whatever you end up doing. You have an impeccable FD worth tons more then you'll probably get out of it.
I have a friend with a BMW M5:
http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/FD...2-MVC-002F.JPG
http://mahjik.homestead.com/files/FD...2-MVC-004F.JPG
He's owned it for a little over a year and hasn't had any problems (aside from his crappy driving curbbing it, which is why I got him out to a track event this year). The car eats oil, but coming from an FD, that won't be a problem for you.
Best of luck!
01-04-04, 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by pomanferrari
Damn, if it weren't for the irritating details like the wife and kids, I would have bought it yesterday at the asking price.
Damn, if it weren't for the irritating details like the wife and kids, I would have bought it yesterday at the asking price.
I have been working my wife since the auction began. I have offered her many different scenerios but I cant get even a hint of buy in...I guess I have gone to the well too many times for my rx7 already.
Wael - I am sorry I brought your auction to the forum if it has caused you some consternation. I had no idea whose car it was. Anyway - beautiful car with a tremendously fair price - I wish you luck in selling it. Oh and if by chance I total my car and am able towalk away from the accident before you sell yours consider it sold!
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