FD best "supercar" value on the planet?
FD best "supercar" value on the planet?
I have modded FD (single turbo, AI, PFC etc) 460 rwhp (~575 hp @ flywheel 18 psi), weighing ~2850 lbs.
For grins I thought it would be interesting to compare the weight/power ratio for this car vs several current model supercars. The ratio is = curb weight (lbs) / flywheel power (hp)
Data was from : http://www.aspecpro.com/
Looking at "the best of the best" (imo, ie my dream cars), results below are in ascending order for lb/hp (ie best to "worst"):
Brand Model lb/hp
Koenigsegg, CCXR, 2.4
Ariel , Atom 2 , 3.7
Bugatti, Veyron 16.4, 4.2
Caterham, CSR SuperLight, 4.7
Panoz, Esperante JRD, 4.7
MAZDA, RX7 @ 18PSI , 5.1
Pagani, Zonda S 7.3, 5.1
Ferrari, 599 GTB Fiorano, 5.6
Lamborghini, Murcielago ,LP640 5.7
Noble , M15, 5.8
Chevy , Corvette Z06, 6.2
Mercedes, SLR McLaren, 6.3
Porsche, GT3 RSR, 6.5
Ferrari, F430, 6.6
Porsche, 911 Turbo, 7.3
Audi, R8 , 7.8
BMW, M6 Coupe, 7.8
Ford, GT500, 7.8
Lotus , Exige S , 9.4
Acura , NSX-R, 10.0
The surprising result: by this metric, a modded rx7 is one of the best supercars on the planet! (I have a new respect for the car).
At the current "deflated" pricing, a modded FD may also be the best supercar value as well.
For grins I thought it would be interesting to compare the weight/power ratio for this car vs several current model supercars. The ratio is = curb weight (lbs) / flywheel power (hp)
Data was from : http://www.aspecpro.com/
Looking at "the best of the best" (imo, ie my dream cars), results below are in ascending order for lb/hp (ie best to "worst"):
Brand Model lb/hp
Koenigsegg, CCXR, 2.4
Ariel , Atom 2 , 3.7
Bugatti, Veyron 16.4, 4.2
Caterham, CSR SuperLight, 4.7
Panoz, Esperante JRD, 4.7
MAZDA, RX7 @ 18PSI , 5.1
Pagani, Zonda S 7.3, 5.1
Ferrari, 599 GTB Fiorano, 5.6
Lamborghini, Murcielago ,LP640 5.7
Noble , M15, 5.8
Chevy , Corvette Z06, 6.2
Mercedes, SLR McLaren, 6.3
Porsche, GT3 RSR, 6.5
Ferrari, F430, 6.6
Porsche, 911 Turbo, 7.3
Audi, R8 , 7.8
BMW, M6 Coupe, 7.8
Ford, GT500, 7.8
Lotus , Exige S , 9.4
Acura , NSX-R, 10.0
The surprising result: by this metric, a modded rx7 is one of the best supercars on the planet! (I have a new respect for the car).
At the current "deflated" pricing, a modded FD may also be the best supercar value as well.
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The class of cars called "Supercars" began with the Lamborghini Miura and part of the definition is that they are not only incredibly fast, but exotic, expensive, built of high quality materials, and luxurious. Generally speaking, the Rx7 is fast, somewhat exotic -- certainly one of the most beautiful cars ever -- but not expensive, built of high quality materials, or luxurious.
I think the FD may be one of the best sports cars ever made and one of the fastest and with a very high power-to-weight ratio when modded. In my not-at-all-humble opinion, it is the best-looking sports car ever made.
Gordon
I think the FD may be one of the best sports cars ever made and one of the fastest and with a very high power-to-weight ratio when modded. In my not-at-all-humble opinion, it is the best-looking sports car ever made.
Gordon
That list is comparing a highly modded car(almost double stock whp) to a stock "supercar", for it to be on a fair playing field those supercars would have to be modded too. Your comparing apples to oranges. I love my FD and IMO it is the best car for under $20k, but it does not even compare to those cars on that list.
i don't see how you can possibly compare a heavily modified car with a lot of compromises to a stock one which has OEM reliability and driveability, a warranty, emissions compliance, etc.
The rx7 was considered a supercar. In the classic definition it is a supercar. These days though, the definition of supercar is a car that goes above a cerrtain speed. I believe 200mph is that mark right now.
http://dictionary.babylon.com/supercar
"Supercar is a term used for a high-end sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. The proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term is dependent on the era: a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. The automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars"."
I've seen the 200mph mark used in the press alot. Thats where I got that from.
Ex.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...iews_supercars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
"recent years, the term "supercar" has been defined more specifically as any car that can attain at least 200 mph (320 km/h) and maintain reasonable control. High price only defines a car as an exotic, not necessarily a supercar."
http://dictionary.babylon.com/supercar
"Supercar is a term used for a high-end sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. The proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term is dependent on the era: a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. The automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars"."
I've seen the 200mph mark used in the press alot. Thats where I got that from.
Ex.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...iews_supercars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
"recent years, the term "supercar" has been defined more specifically as any car that can attain at least 200 mph (320 km/h) and maintain reasonable control. High price only defines a car as an exotic, not necessarily a supercar."
The rx7 was considered a supercar. In the classic definition it is a supercar. These days though, the definition of supercar is a car that goes above a cerrtain speed. I believe 200mph is that mark right now.
http://dictionary.babylon.com/supercar
"Supercar is a term used for a high-end sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. The proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term is dependent on the era: a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. The automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars"."
I've seen the 200mph mark used in the press alot. Thats where I got that from.
Ex.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...iews_supercars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
"recent years, the term "supercar" has been defined more specifically as any car that can attain at least 200 mph (320 km/h) and maintain reasonable control. High price only defines a car as an exotic, not necessarily a supercar."
http://dictionary.babylon.com/supercar
"Supercar is a term used for a high-end sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. The proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term is dependent on the era: a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. The automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars"."
I've seen the 200mph mark used in the press alot. Thats where I got that from.
Ex.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetr...iews_supercars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar
"recent years, the term "supercar" has been defined more specifically as any car that can attain at least 200 mph (320 km/h) and maintain reasonable control. High price only defines a car as an exotic, not necessarily a supercar."
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Everyone else has already mentioned it, a comparison of a heavily modified car to a stock car is not valid in anyway. A supercar's performance output level is by design, not after market modifications. As for the comment on the FD being able to exceed 200 mph with this power level, it is not possible unless a LOT of money is thrown in to build a custom transmission and diff plus the necessary aerodynamic body work.
Everyone else has already mentioned it, a comparison of a heavily modified car to a stock car is not valid in anyway. A supercar's performance output level is by design, not after market modifications. As for the comment on the FD being able to exceed 200 mph with this power level, it is not possible unless a LOT of money is thrown in to build a custom transmission and diff plus the necessary aerodynamic body work.
Not necessarily true. I've seen many "tuner" cars, such as Ruf Porsches, Konig Ferrari's, and Callaway Vettes talked about in these terms. All those are is modified stock vehicles.
A Ruf may have once been a Porsche, but after the Ruf treatment and getting a new vin number it is no longer "just" a porsche.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
A Ruf may have once been a Porsche, but after the Ruf treatment and getting a new vin number it is no longer "just" a porsche.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
It's a fast car, but there are always faster ones.
It's a beautiful car, but so are alot of others.
It's a rare car, but it was mass produced. There are any number of others that are far rarer.
Appreciate the FD for what it is. Admittedly it's more subjective, but instead of calculating hp/weight ratios, maybe we should be calculating price/fun factor.
It's a beautiful car, but so are alot of others.
It's a rare car, but it was mass produced. There are any number of others that are far rarer.
Appreciate the FD for what it is. Admittedly it's more subjective, but instead of calculating hp/weight ratios, maybe we should be calculating price/fun factor.
A Ruf may have once been a Porsche, but after the Ruf treatment and getting a new vin number it is no longer "just" a porsche.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
Certainly there are those owners who have taken their cars above and beyond in to a region where supercars are the only competition. I think that these cars are fewer and far between than the cars that they're meant to emulate. You may have 450 odd horsepower under the hood, but the cockpit is still Mazda's bean counting finest.
World class sports car yes, supercar no.
I don't think a "supercar" needs aftermarket mods to achieve it's title....
You will typically see a difference in production numbers of true supercars versus sports cars as well.
You will typically see a difference in production numbers of true supercars versus sports cars as well.
I don't think any of those are supercars, those are all sports cars as well. The exige is a Lotus chassi'd car with a toyota engine. The ariel atom is a tube frame, seat, and honda or chevy grocery getter mill. The noble is a glorified kit car with a turbocharged ford sedan engine. The corvette is an exceptional car that certainly blurs the line between supercar and sports car, but even it isn't there yet. None of the cars mentioned have the total package that you get from the italians or even the top tier german cars. Few of them have the badge recognition.