this isn't to see if fds are better than fcs or fcs better than fds. they both have there own faulits of good and bad ideas mazda had. i love both models of them i just thought we were exchanging knowledge of both cars. not tring to start a fd vs fc war

 

Roadster with roll-up windows? Nope. It is the classic definition of a sports car.

 

They average 50% more engine life than an FD motor. I would describe that as significant.

 

The majority of second gen owners would disagree. I estimate 95% of them would trade their car across for an FD without a second thought, so apparently, an FD CAN replace an FC

 

i guess it all depends on how much u love your rx7 i know i wouldn't.nothing torward fds just i made my fc the way i want it and im loving it. lots of my friends hav fds and they love em but they bitch about how much money it cost to mod them. just so everybody knows where im coming from this is my fc
https://www.rx7club.com/photo/showph...cat=502&page=1

 

And an FD motor makes 25-40% more horsepower and a lot more low-end torque. I'll take that trade-off any day of the week.....especially since you are talking about replacing engines every 8-13 years between the two cars.

 

Threads like this are why I stopped reading NASIOC....

dont do this to us guys, close this thread

 

 

I'll take argument over conceding to an opinion that contradicts my own. Its more "retarded" to allow the spread of misinformation than it is to argue.

 

But you said yourself that the main engine failure among FD's is from failure of the coolant system, not engine wear associated with horsepower.
If you read my initial post, I was humorously arguing that FC's should not be called junk by an FD owner based on all following premises:
- I rate "junk" by the engineering behind an objects longevity; in general, junk will not last as long as its better engineered counterpart.
- The FC has a longer average engine lifespan than the FD.
From these premises, it was ironic for an FD owner to call and FC "junk".

I never brought up any argument of longevity vs. performance, as you now state. In such a scenario, I would agree with you, but not to the level of which it occurs. 2/3 the engine life with 25% more power? That's a heck of a cost, and far more excessive than necessary.
Unless, of course, you are arguing that "junk" is defined by a vehicles power levels. In which case, all RX-7s are considered huge pieces of crap compared to a whole slew of SUV's and trucks.

It is really an argument of semantics, yet no one seems to contend my definition of "junk", so my premises are still valid, and the conclusion can be rationally drawn from the premises, and thus my argument is sound.

 

well said

 

You can only go so far with adding HP until you start to break **** anyways. So if you drive an FC or an FD it doesn’t really matter depending on how far you want to go with it.

 

Ok, "junk", IMO, is something useless.

FB's, FC's, FD's don't fit that catagory, IMO. Yugo's on the other hand....

I think the "Second Junk" comment was meant with humor, not as a statement of them really being useless (just as the same as 2nd Gen folks not believing stock FD twin turbos can make 400rwhp or a 10 second 1/4 mile).

 

Hmm....I never called 2nd gens junk, that was someone else (and was meant in humor, this IS the 3rd gen section after all). I responded to one post re: the reliability of FDs to correct some of the misinformation in it. You then responded and so it goes. I'm not arguing or trying to start anything.

FWIW, the average FD motor seems to go out between 80-100k miles. For most of us, that is 8+ years. That is acceptable to me, when considering the performance of the car. Hell, not too many Ferrari engines make it to 80k without a rebuild....

It's certainly true that stock Turbo II's will typically last quite a bit longer than an FD. But most of us knew that going in and accept that fact to gain better looks, handling, braking, and more power.

 

GO VIKINGS!!

 

i started this thread to prove to some of my friends that its possible that fd can run 11s-10s on stock twins, and to show that other people think and know its possible. not to see witch one is better or has more faults.