EXCESSIVE Vibration after engine swap
12-13-12, 08:14 AM
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EXCESSIVE Vibration after engine swap
So before I swapped out my engine, I got almost NO vibration through the car.
Now that my swap is done, i have a TON of vibration especially above 4500 RPM.
I added the following during the build that is different than before:
- IRP Engine Mounts (street version)
- Engine Torque Brace
- Hi-Flo Cat
- Diff Brace
I assume the vibration is coming from the mounts, but i keep reading how they are only "slightly" stiffer than stock. Maybe its everything combined (the cat resonates fairly loudly especially at high RPM).
Anyway - I wanted to gather some input on why the vibration is now SIGNIFICANTLY worse given what I've added. It really takes away from the driveability of the car.
Steve
Now that my swap is done, i have a TON of vibration especially above 4500 RPM.
I added the following during the build that is different than before:
- IRP Engine Mounts (street version)
- Engine Torque Brace
- Hi-Flo Cat
- Diff Brace
I assume the vibration is coming from the mounts, but i keep reading how they are only "slightly" stiffer than stock. Maybe its everything combined (the cat resonates fairly loudly especially at high RPM).
Anyway - I wanted to gather some input on why the vibration is now SIGNIFICANTLY worse given what I've added. It really takes away from the driveability of the car.
Steve
12-13-12, 08:23 AM
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So before I swapped out my engine, I got almost NO vibration through the car.
Now that my swap is done, i have a TON of vibration especially above 4500 RPM.
I added the following during the build that is different than before:
- IRP Engine Mounts (street version)
- Engine Torque Brace
- Hi-Flo Cat
- Diff Brace
I assume the vibration is coming from the mounts, but i keep reading how they are only "slightly" stiffer than stock. Maybe its everything combined (the cat resonates fairly loudly especially at high RPM).
Anyway - I wanted to gather some input on why the vibration is now SIGNIFICANTLY worse given what I've added. It really takes away from the driveability of the car.
Steve
Now that my swap is done, i have a TON of vibration especially above 4500 RPM.
I added the following during the build that is different than before:
- IRP Engine Mounts (street version)
- Engine Torque Brace
- Hi-Flo Cat
- Diff Brace
I assume the vibration is coming from the mounts, but i keep reading how they are only "slightly" stiffer than stock. Maybe its everything combined (the cat resonates fairly loudly especially at high RPM).
Anyway - I wanted to gather some input on why the vibration is now SIGNIFICANTLY worse given what I've added. It really takes away from the driveability of the car.
Steve
12-13-12, 08:53 AM
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start by taking off your torque brace. its easy to remove and (my opinion) they are not really needed if you have a good set of motor mounts... if its the culprit, you won't miss it.
Also. If your mounts are poly, try loosening the bolts on them. They more you tighten them, the stiffer they get.
Good luck.
Also. If your mounts are poly, try loosening the bolts on them. They more you tighten them, the stiffer they get.
Good luck.
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12-13-12, 09:10 AM
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I will try removing the TB. The bolts are tightened to IRP's direction (barely flattening the red bushings). The only way to tighten them less would be to take them off!
I guess im gonna have to drop & swap various parts until it sorts out.
I guess im gonna have to drop & swap various parts until it sorts out.
12-13-12, 09:19 AM
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At the very least that will be faster/cheaper than shipping stuff.
12-13-12, 09:27 AM
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12-13-12, 09:34 AM
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If you want to you're welcome to pop down to Alexandria this weekend. I have a pristine set of stockers that i was going to use on my new motor (putting it in this weekend). You're welcome to try them to isolate the issue.
At the very least that will be faster/cheaper than shipping stuff.
At the very least that will be faster/cheaper than shipping stuff.
Also - would you be interested in a trade for some new poly mounts?
12-13-12, 09:42 AM
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I've got a jack and one set of stands, also have tools needed for a full rebuild here, so should jabbed it covered.
Honestly I'd prefer to use my stock mounts with this build (I went from bad stock mounts to polity mounts, to solid mounts. Now that i have good stock mounts I'd rather give them another go). It should still help you diagnose the source though
I just hope that your oil pan doesn't start leaking from it..
12-13-12, 10:24 AM
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Just giving you hard time and hopefully you and Levi can get it sorted out
All we should really need is a jack and stands. Otherwise it can be done with a basic socket set and wrenches I believe.
I've got a jack and one set of stands, also have tools needed for a full rebuild here, so should jabbed it covered.
Honestly I'd prefer to use my stock mounts with this build (I went from bad stock mounts to polity mounts, to solid mounts. Now that i have good stock mounts I'd rather give them another go). It should still help you diagnose the source though
I just hope that your oil pan doesn't start leaking from it..
I've got a jack and one set of stands, also have tools needed for a full rebuild here, so should jabbed it covered.
Honestly I'd prefer to use my stock mounts with this build (I went from bad stock mounts to polity mounts, to solid mounts. Now that i have good stock mounts I'd rather give them another go). It should still help you diagnose the source though
I just hope that your oil pan doesn't start leaking from it..
12-13-12, 10:31 AM
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I second this question...
I have the IRP "race" mounts or harder durameter of the two options. I feel barely any vibration, in fact, my car drives and rides quite smooth.
The culprit could be a few things.
1. When you re-attached the PPF, did you make note of the placement of the nuts? I have heard of excessive vibration being caused from binding the PPF causing the tranny to arc more which in turn causes excessive vibration from the driveshaft
2. Did you change the clutch, flywheel, or tranny during the swap? If something isn't mated correctly or tight, it could cause this.
3. I would remove the torque brace and the diff mount first. You said EXCESSIVE vibration which seems unnatural caused by a common mod like poly engine mounts. However, all 3 combined just might cause this. If I had to keep one, it would be the engine mounts. The others help, but poly engine mounts are a very common mod and likely the most beneficial for stability.
I have the IRP "race" mounts or harder durameter of the two options. I feel barely any vibration, in fact, my car drives and rides quite smooth.
The culprit could be a few things.
1. When you re-attached the PPF, did you make note of the placement of the nuts? I have heard of excessive vibration being caused from binding the PPF causing the tranny to arc more which in turn causes excessive vibration from the driveshaft
2. Did you change the clutch, flywheel, or tranny during the swap? If something isn't mated correctly or tight, it could cause this.
3. I would remove the torque brace and the diff mount first. You said EXCESSIVE vibration which seems unnatural caused by a common mod like poly engine mounts. However, all 3 combined just might cause this. If I had to keep one, it would be the engine mounts. The others help, but poly engine mounts are a very common mod and likely the most beneficial for stability.
12-13-12, 10:38 AM
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1. When you re-attached the PPF, did you make note of the placement of the nuts? I have heard of excessive vibration being caused from binding the PPF causing the tranny to arc more which in turn causes excessive vibration from the driveshaft[/QUOTE]
Do you mean the Driveshaft into the diff? If so, yes I noted the position of the nuts and believe I put them back on properly. I suppose I could try rotating the drive shaft around to find a smoother fit if thats the case.
Yep - new clutch (ACT Street/Strip) but OEM flywheel and same tranny. Clutch feels fine and works great so I doubt its a mating thing.
I'll try both of these as they are easy to remove before going any further as they are the easiest to do!
1. When you re-attached the PPF, did you make note of the placement of the nuts? I have heard of excessive vibration being caused from binding the PPF causing the tranny to arc more which in turn causes excessive vibration from the driveshaft[/QUOTE]
Do you mean the Driveshaft into the diff? If so, yes I noted the position of the nuts and believe I put them back on properly. I suppose I could try rotating the drive shaft around to find a smoother fit if thats the case.
3. I would remove the torque brace and the diff mount first. You said EXCESSIVE vibration which seems unnatural caused by a common mod like poly engine mounts. If I had to keep one, it would be the engine mounts. The others help, but poly engine mounts are a very common mod and likely the most beneficial for stability.
12-13-12, 10:45 AM
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IRP mounts wont cause all that vibration ur refering to. i have their hard version and they work just fine..
Something is left loose i bet you... OR that engine brace you installed it causing it
Diff mounts ALSO will not cause any vibrations.. I used OEM, Aluminum and nylon and i dont see any difference
Check if the clutch is aligned properly.. gonna have to to remove the tranny first of course
Actually for the engine mounts i had a much harder mount (KSP ATTAIN SEMI RIGID MOUNTS) and there was zero vibrations
Something is left loose i bet you... OR that engine brace you installed it causing it
Diff mounts ALSO will not cause any vibrations.. I used OEM, Aluminum and nylon and i dont see any difference
Check if the clutch is aligned properly.. gonna have to to remove the tranny first of course
Actually for the engine mounts i had a much harder mount (KSP ATTAIN SEMI RIGID MOUNTS) and there was zero vibrations
12-13-12, 11:16 AM
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Feel free to PM or text me anytime you need help, big Steve..... or just call so I can hear your silky smooth voice 
I doubt it's the mounts, as those speaking from personal experience have already mentioned. Personally I'd lose the Engine Torque Brace first, I had one way back in the day and promptly decided they are 100% unnecessary. My money is on that being the cause.
I'd also look at drivetrain components, to include examining the clutch through the inspection plate while someone free-revs the engine. Also, if you have a PFC, do the knock readings go haywire when this happens?
I doubt it's the mounts, as those speaking from personal experience have already mentioned. Personally I'd lose the Engine Torque Brace first, I had one way back in the day and promptly decided they are 100% unnecessary. My money is on that being the cause.
I'd also look at drivetrain components, to include examining the clutch through the inspection plate while someone free-revs the engine. Also, if you have a PFC, do the knock readings go haywire when this happens?
12-13-12, 02:30 PM
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Feel free to PM or text me anytime you need help, big Steve..... or just call so I can hear your silky smooth voice
I doubt it's the mounts, as those speaking from personal experience have already mentioned. Personally I'd lose the Engine Torque Brace first, I had one way back in the day and promptly decided they are 100% unnecessary. My money is on that being the cause.
I'd also look at drivetrain components, to include examining the clutch through the inspection plate while someone free-revs the engine. Also, if you have a PFC, do the knock readings go haywire when this happens?
I doubt it's the mounts, as those speaking from personal experience have already mentioned. Personally I'd lose the Engine Torque Brace first, I had one way back in the day and promptly decided they are 100% unnecessary. My money is on that being the cause.
I'd also look at drivetrain components, to include examining the clutch through the inspection plate while someone free-revs the engine. Also, if you have a PFC, do the knock readings go haywire when this happens?
Im tired of bothering you for my stupid questions. It makes me feel like I should have brought the car to you to begin with! I'll remove the ETB then check out the clutch during rev, but what should I be looking for? And yes, I have a PFC. I'll check the knock readings and get back to you. What is the range that is good/bad or is it just variance from the baseline?
12-14-12, 03:40 AM
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I had a similar problem after I've had my diff changed a while ago.
We looked at everything but couldn't find the culprit until the mechanic looked at the driveshaft where a little metal sheet (the balance weight) used to stick on the surface. It's really easy to ovelook as it's really small.
When he took off the driveshaft off he must have hitten something against it and it fell off. So we looked for a little piece of metal cut it into shape (you could see the shape of the original weight because it left outlines on the surface) and welded it on the driveshaft.
e voila there we had professionally balanced drifeshaft without any vibrations
We looked at everything but couldn't find the culprit until the mechanic looked at the driveshaft where a little metal sheet (the balance weight) used to stick on the surface. It's really easy to ovelook as it's really small.
When he took off the driveshaft off he must have hitten something against it and it fell off. So we looked for a little piece of metal cut it into shape (you could see the shape of the original weight because it left outlines on the surface) and welded it on the driveshaft.
e voila there we had professionally balanced drifeshaft without any vibrations
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12-14-12, 08:02 AM
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^That's possible, but a driveshaft vibration will only show up when driving down the road and the driveshaft is spinning. If it vibrates like hell free-revving it, it's not the driveshaft.
Is it possible the engine is out of balance? The rotors, front counterweight, and rear counterweight or stock flywheel make the balance assembly. If you had a wrong counterweight or the rotor's weight codes were too far apart you could have bad vibration.
Dale
Is it possible the engine is out of balance? The rotors, front counterweight, and rear counterweight or stock flywheel make the balance assembly. If you had a wrong counterweight or the rotor's weight codes were too far apart you could have bad vibration.
Dale