Alex_Polska

Just a quick correction. The green on the Porsche posted earlier is not lime green. It's signal green (a little more neutral than lime green). However it is my favorite color for the Porsche. Loud, but not outrageously loud. I especially love this one with iForged wheels with signal green accents.




Only car I'd rather have than my FD.

In fact, I like the color so much I'm trying to imagine what it would look like on the FD. Thoughts?

KKMpunkrock2011

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Alex, didn't know what the actual color of the car was called, thanks for the correction but I'm liable to forget it. I made an rx7 in forza 3 that was roughly the same colo and while it isn't a fair representation of the car in real life, I thought it looked pretty good sans spoiler. Neutral colors are generally pleasing to the eye because they don't give you a headache when you look at them, cym is a good example of this. Its a softer yellow similar to how signal green is a softer green than lime green. I think green is a color that hasn't really been explored on FDs that could potentially lead to some really good looking, stock bodied cars.

the current aston v8 is defintiely one of the best sounding v8s on the market.

Alex_Polska

Haha! I was actually trying to find the name of the color a few weeks earlier so I typed in "GT3 green color code" on google and came up with the signal green result. When someone posted the GT3 earlier and said it was lime green I was like "no it's not" and was starting to correct him when I realized I forgot the name of the color. LOL. So I googled the same thing and came up with the same result, again.

Just wanted to share my "Cool story bro" moment.

This is probably really confusing with the same avatar as Punkrock...

Fritz Flynn

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Well it would seem the v8 is the correct choice but again just too many other choices in what I would assume is the 80k and up price range for what you're describing.

Not enough positives when compared to a GT3 and besides if I wanted something a little more luxury oriented I'd just go 4 seats and get the m3 which also has a great sounding high revving v8 and can be found easily for 50k.

Test drive a 997 GT3 preferably the RS you can easily afford it and I think you'd love it 911s have come a long way. If I didn't have a family to worry about I'd definitely have one right now and it would be sitting next to some sort of FD

no_more_rice

Your opinion on the GT3 seems to be ever changing - first it's slow and any 350 rwhp FD can blow it off the road (as absurd as that claim is), then you want to own one

I like the Vantage, but it's a bit too "upscale" - a true sports car needs to be more raw and hard edged - the Noble M600 may be the perfect sports car right now, short of a Koenigsegg (which the M600 clearly borrows from to some degree)
http://www.koenigsegg.com/

KKMpunkrock2011

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don't think he ever said he didn't like them, just that a well set up 350 rwhp FD can beat one.

oh, and a mosler would be a rather epic track/sports car.

no_more_rice

Which is why it's an endless do-loop argument. It's already been shown a "well set-up" stock class Cayman S, let alone a GT3, can beat a 350 rwhp FD at Mosport.

Anyway....did I mention cold nights make these cars feel like they have another 80 rwhp? December is prime time FD weather.

limepro

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A person can like many different cars for different reasons, there are some slow cars I like, and some fast cars I like. There are straight line cars I like and track cars I like, just because one beats one in a way does not mean I don't like one over the other. It is not an endless loop argument, he has first hand beaten the GT3 on the track in his car, yet he still likes the car, end of argument.

KKMpunkrock2011

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maybe in NC...

where in NC are you anyways? I visited a few years back and really liked the state, am considering moving out there when I graduate next december.

no_more_rice

The question isn't about personal preference. As mahjik previously stated, just because x car beat y car on b day with drivers c and d doesn't make x faster - only faster on that particular day and on that particular track, with a specific driver skill set. You would have to examine many different lap times and different cars with various drivers to reach an educated conclusion based on the preponderance of evidence. Unfortunately, that's not readily possible because there are so few FDs competing now. Anyway, my money is on the 2010 GT3, hands down - and I love FDs. Can an FD be made to compete with tons of cash dumped into the suspension, brakes, etc? Sure, but at what point do you compare the vehicles fairly (i.e. modded vs. heavily modded, etc).

End of argument

spanks13

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For someone who loves the FD so much I am surprised to see this ridiculous point come from you.

Is the engine really the only reason why you own an rx7?

no_more_rice

Recorded stock class lap time I posted many pages ago, vs. wird's best time at Mosport; and I believe wird was making > 350 at the time

Apparently the Rossion Q1 is based on the M400, anyway it's impressive

The M600 is "overpriced", but if it's a relative success, it paves the way for other manufacturers to pay attention

Fritz Flynn

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When you argue it's OK to use some non pros lap time against some google search and a completely different car but when I argue you need video and or publised articles which I provided. I won this argument hands down but you can keep on telling me and everyone else that not only will a stock GT3 go faster than the 350rwhp track prepped FD but also a cayman s racecar and we'll all just continue to shake our collective heads.

Yes I'd like to own a GT3 for all the reason I previously mentioned and I don't mind being a little slower than well prepped FD, a honda civic or someones grandmother on a lawnmower because there will always be someone faster at the track. Maybe it could be you in your non sequential FD LOL.

PS Yes this weather is awesome for power but turn the boost down and save your engines

Fritz Flynn

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Not at all I absolutely love the way this car looks which is why I bought it to begin with. However after owning it I've developed stronger feelings for the engine and handling. Like most things the looks wear off but appreciating the soul keeps getting better and better sort of like the relationship w/ my wife

I will NEVER build an LSX 7 of any kind but I'll absolutely buy Blackey's car if it goes up for sale, well umm for the right price of course However if I was driving a big block car Ideally I'd want a viper because that's what a big block is about. As soon as I became accustomed to a big women I'd just want more so I may as well just start out with the biggest booty

PS I really don't think it's a rediculous point though because converting one of these cars correctly isn't easy and I actually have MUCH respect for the C5 and C6 Z as they are both wonderful cars.

spanks13

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It just echoes back to the mouth breathers screaming at people to JUST BUY A CAMARO OR MUSTANG...

I've never understood that argument...they must not hold the rx7 in high esteem if they think a camaro or mustang will be a comparable car.

The c6z is a fantastic car, but not something I'd want to own. For the track you could probably build something much faster with the money you'd spend, and on the street I think an rx7 would be more fun.

Sorry for the attack

no_more_rice

You didn't win anything. You claim to have beaten a stock GT3 (you didn't mention the year of the car), with some magazine test guy at the wheel - the skill of those people are all over the map, meanwhile you've been around VIR who knows how many hundreds of times. Time to come back to reality.

Again, strawman arguments; I never said that. I said a stock class Cayman S beat wird's best time, despite all his boasting about "destroying" GT3s. Yes, I'd like to see your lap times vs. GT3 lap times for the same racing class (or similar class). A magazine tester's times mean exactly nothing.

no_more_rice

A little off-topic, but I had to post this vid of the 2011 ZX-10R, which I'll be picking up shortly. Wanna truly "destroy" a GT3 for cheap? Here's how you do it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTy_c...eature=related

kensin

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best thread of the year .

Fritz Flynn

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Isn't a stock class cayman S a race car? Once again you only show your lack of knowledge in regard to road racing. A spec miata is a whole lot faster than a stock miata. I'm also aware you'll have trouble understanding that but oh well.

Check the link I provided and you'll see the year of the GT3 but as I recall we were arguing about the STOCK 997 GT3 being a faster track car than the well setup 350 rwhp FD and then you started comparing cup cars, caymans, motorcycles......... I can't keep track of the various directions you'll take a generally simple argument.

Again please consider the following:

I was using old staggerd tires (versus a fresh balanced setup that's atleast a 2 second difference on over a 4 mile track)

I was carrying a passenger

My car has not been aligned in 3 or 4 years

I don't make 350 (more like 330)

I was faster by 2 full seconds

Most magazines hire top pro drivers and any pro mag driver is no joke

I have a superior power to weight

The FD handles better

I probably have better aero (GTC wing and front bumper)

The GT3 certainly has the gearing and torque edge along with superb braking but those are essentially it's only advantages when comparing it to a track prepped FD with bolt ons.

OK I'll bite and say that I believe if you setup these two cars equally to run in the same racing class with equal drivers the FD would win if it didn't DNF The reason I want a GT3 and have the utmost respect for it is that it's a born race car but please give the FD credit where it's due because it's a phenominal road racer.

I have an idea, go buy GT5 and maybe some of this stuff will start to make sense

Fritz Flynn

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You just keep stepping in it

A 1.37 lap at RA isn't going to destroy a GT3 and certainly not a 350 rwd FD (brent will run a 1.34 this weekend in his 330 rwd FD) but nice try. I'll provide all the proof you need if necessary

The one thing you're forgetting is the bikes have a little trouble in the corners hehe.

ptrhahn

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These seems to be some ongoing assumption that there's some "magic" in a GT3 that's insurmountable, and there isn't. There's actually nothing remarkable about it from a design perspective—it isn't a carbon fiber monocoque that would provide unmatchable stiffness or platform weight, and doesn't have advanced ground effects like a McLaren F1 or some of the new Ferraris that would be difficult to "bolt on" to another car.

It's a steel unibody car, with a less than ideal engine placement (that the manufacturer has spent 30 years engineering around to great affect), and McPherson struts for goodness sake.

From there, all Porsche has essentially done is "pre mod" the thing as a well engineered package. That's what you pay $100k+ for.

What is/was special about the FD, as has been said, is the base design—a light platform and superior (mid engined) configuration, with a very advanced suspension design. In that respect, there's actually more "magic" in it than the GT3. You ad the correlating componentry—similar brakes, aero, and power, and you've got a car that will compete with the stock GT3 absolutely on lap time. Yes, you're comparing a modded car to a stock one, but that's the ballancing affect of 17 years and $50k purchase price.

Talking about any particular car, be it a Cayman racecar, The Wird's car, or Fritz's car is really not the point. Individual cars and individual drivers are what they are. The fact is, there is no intrinsic aspect of the GT3 that makes it better. It's just a steel unibodied car, with a rear engine and McPherson struts. There's no advantage in any of that.

You drive on track enough, and you understand where other car's capabilities compare to your own. I've never witnessed an instance where a GT3 (or many other street cars) obviously display a capability that the FD won't match. They don't change direction better, or hold a higher peak lateral force. They tend to brake better, and accelerate off the apex, whereas the FD is more of a momentum car with the dynamics to maintain momentum well.

Montego

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dang somebody got taken to school... I wont say who it is but it rhymes with no more lice

Fritz Flynn

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I'm buying what this man is selling, well actually I already own it

Fritz Flynn

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You should see some of the BS Pete will spew in the lounge he's rolling with a big load of IQ.

TRWeiss1

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Actually gordon, affect was not used properly in Peter's post (although it was a spot on post). :P Affect is a verb, whereas effect is *typically* a noun most often meaning "result". Up above it should have been "balancing effect."

Example - no_more_rice is unable to affect your perspective of the FD. Another example - Trying to talk some sense into him is futile because it has no effect.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

Ok, I'm done being the grammar **** now. Carry on!