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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Next question. Why do people go with the gt3 porsche for a track car instead of a track day car for 1/3 the cost that will easily out perform it? I think most people that track a gt3 have other cars for street use.

Road America in a 500rwhp rx7 would definitely be enough to scare yourself if you're looking for adrenaline.

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Old Nov 13, 2010 | 09:19 PM
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Next question. Why do people go with the gt3 porsche for a track car instead of a track day car for 1/3 the cost that will easily out perform it? I think most people that track a gt3 have other cars for street use.
I can't speak for most people, but for me the GT3 is a car which can be tracked as is and is still very street compliant. Now, being street complaint has different meanings to different people. If I were to do a true track only car, I'd be after a Lotus Eleven (or just go for a true SCCA race car and go do some real racing).
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^ Very cool

I've always wondered why there aren't more space frame sports cars: light weight + rigid = win. Expensive to produce, however. More manufacturers need to follow Ducati's lead.
Old Nov 13, 2010 | 10:55 PM
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I kind of see the shape of a lambo in the roof bar lines lol.

I want to do something similar when I stop throwing money at my rx7 and finish school. I would probably build something smaller though. I even lean towards single seater sometimes while day dreaming.
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I want an Atom with a roof (and 300 rwhp).
Old Nov 14, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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"I wonder what the nearest big track is to me in the states. I've wanted to go to a "foreign"/far away track for a while now and try something new hehe. Any suggestions?"

sure... either Mid-Ohio or Watkins Glen
Old Nov 14, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by thewird
While that may be true for slow speed corners and is actually logical, it is not the case for mid to high speed. I have direct experience with the car both with other people driving and driving it myself for a decent amount of time. The car just does not have the same acceleration coming out of corners like my FD does. The way I see it, it may have the grip but its ***** aren't big enough to compensate for the beer belly weight post apex. Like I said it has phenomenal grip and the car is stable at all times but it needed a few more ponies if they were going to make it like a tank in my opinion. Keep in mind, this is directly comparing it with my FD and not FD's in general. I drive a lot of differently setup FD's that I tune and know they wouldn't be the same results.

I wonder what the nearest big track is to me in the states. I've wanted to go to a "foreign"/far away track for a while now and try something new hehe. Any suggestions?

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Consider all these times are on factory tires. It's a super car for under 100k. Look at the cars it's beating and those lap times. Put some slicks on it, BBK, up the boost a little etc... and it's going to be faster or as fast as a cup car.

The GT-R isn't my cup of tea but it's going to be a legend.

The clock always speaks for itself: http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4717b80e35715.html
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The GT-R is the car FD owners love to hate: it's big, heavy, ugly, and stupid fast ha...no one can deny it's ability to get around a track fast, but "legend" may be pushing it a bit - purist cars like the Noble will always be faster in the hands of an experienced driver because you can't mask a 1,000 pound weight differential strictly using electronic gadgetry. Still, for the price, the GT-R can run down many cars costing alot more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvUziP_k2o
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Originally Posted by no_more_rice
I want an Atom with a roof (and 300 rwhp).
that reminds me, there's a guy who goes to the track in an atom, and if it was legal to race it, it would kick a lot of ***, he can pass people almost anywhere on the track like they are standing still

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Put some slicks on it, BBK, up the boost a little etc... and it's going to be faster or as fast as a cup car.
they are really excellent right out of the box, however nissan gives you some hurdles to modding it. we get one at the track, and they unplugged the power window motors, and the ECU would not let the car pull more than 1G in the turns.

once its been figured out there is a lot of potential, but you can't just go "up the boost etc" or it'll cook the trans, or go into limp home or something.
Old Nov 14, 2010 | 01:29 PM
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that reminds me, there's a guy who goes to the track in an atom, and if it was legal to race it, it would kick a lot of ***, he can pass people almost anywhere on the track like they are standing still



they are really excellent right out of the box, however nissan gives you some hurdles to modding it. we get one at the track, and they unplugged the power window motors, and the ECU would not let the car pull more than 1G in the turns.

once its been figured out there is a lot of potential, but you can't just go "up the boost etc" or it'll cook the trans, or go into limp home or something.

I think Forged Performance has pretty much all the bolt ons for the GTR including fuel and boost etc..... that will over ride the stock ecu. I may be completely wrong but from what I understand this is becoming a pretty popular car to mod.
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AMS and Switzer are the shops who are heavily modding the GTR. I saw AMS's car down at the mile. Without a passenger seat, no back seat, and a cage the car went 9's in the quarter. Those guys are producing 750 to 850 on these cars pretty easily. I imagine it would be a handful on a road coarse even w/ the awd.

It is impressive and I would consider it for a DD.
Old Nov 14, 2010 | 07:11 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq21X...eature=related

We'll since we're linking Top Gear clips, and talking about Porsches...this immediately came to mind..
Old Nov 14, 2010 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Coleman CPR
"I wonder what the nearest big track is to me in the states. I've wanted to go to a "foreign"/far away track for a while now and try something new hehe. Any suggestions?"

sure... either Mid-Ohio or Watkins Glen
Nice, Watkins Glen is only 4.5 hours away from me which is actually closer then Calabogie. Looks like a nice track too.

Mid-Ohio would be 6.5 hours for me so I'll try the Glen first .

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I've had the bike at Mid-Ohio a few times. Midwest tracks tend to be bumpy because of the freeze-thaw. Lots of patchwork.

If Mosport was smoother I think it would be one of the very best tracks in North America. Road Atlanta is good, too
Old Nov 15, 2010 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by thewird
Nice, Watkins Glen is only 4.5 hours away from me which is actually closer then Calabogie. Looks like a nice track too.

Mid-Ohio would be 6.5 hours for me so I'll try the Glen first .

thewird

You're actually closer to The Glen than I am. I try to go every year, so maybe I'll see you there. It's my favorite. FAST flowing corners, probably the closest thing to Spa you could drive on this continent, and there's something about the fact that you're blasting through places where F1 cars did.
Old Nov 15, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by no_more_rice
The GT-R is the car FD owners love to hate: it's big, heavy, ugly, and stupid fast ha...no one can deny it's ability to get around a track fast, but "legend" may be pushing it a bit - purist cars like the Noble will always be faster in the hands of an experienced driver because you can't mask a 1,000 pound weight differential strictly using electronic gadgetry.

Still, for the price, the GT-R can run down many cars costing alot more

I agree 100%
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
You're actually closer to The Glen than I am. I try to go every year, so maybe I'll see you there. It's my favorite. FAST flowing corners, probably the closest thing to Spa you could drive on this continent, and there's something about the fact that you're blasting through places where F1 cars did.
Shoot me a PM when you go, could probably go on the same day. Better to go with a fellow FD owner so I'm not there by myself ^_^

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Old Nov 15, 2010 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Fritz Flynn
I think Forged Performance has pretty much all the bolt ons for the GTR including fuel and boost etc..... that will over ride the stock ecu. I may be completely wrong but from what I understand this is becoming a pretty popular car to mod.
lol, yeah i know someone who got bit, i'm sure there is a ton of potential, but you have to be careful
Old Nov 16, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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people figured out what the issues with the trannys breaking was too, it was something simple IIRC. AMS has the solution to that too.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/n...lots-pics.html
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Nice looking GTRs in that thread

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people figured out what the issues with the trannys breaking was too, it was something simple IIRC. AMS has the solution to that too.
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/n...lots-pics.html
WOW!

AMS is really something.

I bet people start criticizing the car because its big and heavy and its not a pure "sports car".

LOL jealous people i say.
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It's not a purist sports car and never will be, it's another luxury high power gadget laden sports car for middle age beer bellies; the kind of out-of-shape people you never see on a sport bike because they're too fat and care about comfort too much - the kind of people I don't have much in common with
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For a paltry $10k you can experience true freedom and the power to leave these bloated boxes in your rear view....fat rich guys can't go there

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It seems to me that conceptually new sports cars are converging with the games like GT3 or whatever. The computer is doing everything and you just point the thing. Just going fast by itself may be some fun, like getting shot from a cannon, or dreams of flying, or riding in an airplane, but, its just not the same as driving a mechanical conveyance.
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agreed! the most fun i had in a car this summer was in my 1958 TR3. i think without driving something like that, its impossible to really explain how nice driving actually can be, and that all of the "features" in a new car actually get in the way of a good driving experience.



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