different v-mount!!!
09-22-05, 06:30 PM
#76
"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."
Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case.
Speedkah,
The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.
Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case.
Speedkah,
The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.
09-22-05, 07:36 PM
#77
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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Great job, Kevin! You have repeated yourself many times with the same statements regarding me or VMIC in many posts but I can't never find anything regarding your great physics concepts or anything else that proves anything I said wrong. Your bald statement proves nothing. Am I here to win a debate? I was just trying to tell him if he places the IC on the top, it will work better but now it turns into this **** hole. Now welcome to the party!
If you want to turn this into a SMIC vs VMIC thread, that's great! Let's hear what you have to say when you have no hand-on experience on FMIC or VMIC. Remember, there are people changing from SMIC to VMIC but find a person that has changed from VMIC to SMIC. Just one and get back to me.
Since I will not be doing this any longer than a couple of months until the business is sold, you don't have to feel ashamed of testing out a VMIC yourself and see how it works. You are fully capable of making one and I have no idea what is keeping you away from doing it. Maybe because if it works better, you will have to admit all the statements you have made were false? Test it out and then say something. Without any hand-on experience, your opinion is simply not good enough. And what does English have to do with this? Should I speak Mandarin to you since it's my first language? It's so sad to see people attacking another person's English just because they have nothing else to offer. English is not my first language and I did not graduate from UC Berkeley with an English Literature degree. Sorry to disappoint you but most people can understand me just fine.
Chuck
If you want to turn this into a SMIC vs VMIC thread, that's great! Let's hear what you have to say when you have no hand-on experience on FMIC or VMIC. Remember, there are people changing from SMIC to VMIC but find a person that has changed from VMIC to SMIC. Just one and get back to me.
Since I will not be doing this any longer than a couple of months until the business is sold, you don't have to feel ashamed of testing out a VMIC yourself and see how it works. You are fully capable of making one and I have no idea what is keeping you away from doing it. Maybe because if it works better, you will have to admit all the statements you have made were false? Test it out and then say something. Without any hand-on experience, your opinion is simply not good enough. And what does English have to do with this? Should I speak Mandarin to you since it's my first language? It's so sad to see people attacking another person's English just because they have nothing else to offer. English is not my first language and I did not graduate from UC Berkeley with an English Literature degree. Sorry to disappoint you but most people can understand me just fine.
Chuck
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."
Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case.
Speedkah,
The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.
Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case.
Speedkah,
The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.
Last edited by rotaryextreme; 09-22-05 at 07:50 PM.
09-22-05, 08:54 PM
#78
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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And here is a challenge that I am going to do just to prove your IC is just inferior because you are pissing me off with all those false statements.
For local customers only, if your car has a M2/ASP large with Koyo radiator, stock hood, stock bumper, and Power FC for data logging purpose, I will sell you the regular Vmount which has a smaller IC core than the M2/ASP large for $2150 installed. If you don't see any intake temp improvement or heat soak improvement over your ASP/M2 large and having equal water temp reading, I will give you full refund of $2150 and plus $500 cash in your pocket! Or I can convert your M2/ASP large and Koyo radiator into a Vmount setup for $1500 installed. If after conversion you don't see any improvement, full $1500 refund and I will convert it back to stock mount + $500 cash in your pocket for wasting your time.
My guarantee:
1. Your intake temp will be lower than ASP/M2 large under cruising or racing condition.
2. It takes longer for the IC to be heat soaked and your whole engine bay will be cooler than before.
3. Water temp will be equal as before or sometimes cooler.
If any of the above is not true, full refund + $500 cash!
I don't even need to put on the monster Vmount. The regular one is enough to kill your setup. The offer is limited to 5 people. We will fully document the progress and you will need to share your experience and offer data on this forum. Well Known and reputable members on this board is required. If you don't have 1000+ posts, you can't join. Everyone is welcome to the shop to be a witness including you, Kevin. Let's end this BS once and for all.
Chuck
For local customers only, if your car has a M2/ASP large with Koyo radiator, stock hood, stock bumper, and Power FC for data logging purpose, I will sell you the regular Vmount which has a smaller IC core than the M2/ASP large for $2150 installed. If you don't see any intake temp improvement or heat soak improvement over your ASP/M2 large and having equal water temp reading, I will give you full refund of $2150 and plus $500 cash in your pocket! Or I can convert your M2/ASP large and Koyo radiator into a Vmount setup for $1500 installed. If after conversion you don't see any improvement, full $1500 refund and I will convert it back to stock mount + $500 cash in your pocket for wasting your time.
My guarantee:
1. Your intake temp will be lower than ASP/M2 large under cruising or racing condition.
2. It takes longer for the IC to be heat soaked and your whole engine bay will be cooler than before.
3. Water temp will be equal as before or sometimes cooler.
If any of the above is not true, full refund + $500 cash!
I don't even need to put on the monster Vmount. The regular one is enough to kill your setup. The offer is limited to 5 people. We will fully document the progress and you will need to share your experience and offer data on this forum. Well Known and reputable members on this board is required. If you don't have 1000+ posts, you can't join. Everyone is welcome to the shop to be a witness including you, Kevin. Let's end this BS once and for all.
Chuck
09-22-05, 08:56 PM
#79
I'm not gonna put my opinion on your setup in here cuz a) it's worthless 
and b) Hedgehog isn't looking for it anyways. BUT, Hedge, I dunno...I initially didn't get the feeling that Chuck was bashing your setup; just putting in his $0.02 from his experience. I dunno why, but it seemed you blew up on him vs. everyone else who was pretty much saying the same thing.
About Chuck's testing/data, I know quite a few ppl who went from SMIC or FMIC to VMount and experienced temp drops across the board. The VMount was the only variable changed. Same hood, front nose, etc.
Also, I don't think I got the sense that you didn't want any input. But I did find it awkward that someone ELSE posted on YOUR setup. Made me think hmm...if he wanted to share/discuss it, I'd think he'd post it up himself. So maybe that point was overlooked by ... well ... pretty much all of us on this thread lol.
Kevin T. Wyum, unless you also speak two languages, I'd advise that you keep your mouth shut. I don't care if you're a "big list" guy or Mr. stock 1/4 mile record holder...that's a low cheap blow that shows you really had nothing better to say or attack Chuck with - and I think we all know you've had something out for him from day 1, as wherever Chuck's posts are, you can be found. If you CAN speak two languages, then I would have hoped someone that educated would know better than to try and attack someone's argument based on their accent or grammar. I have friends that have to deal w/ that kind of GARBAGE on a daily basis, even though they're brighter than 99% of the population. IGNORANT ppl judge them based on their accent, grammar, and apperance. Kinda ironic how the faulty assessment of one's intellegence shows your own lack of intellegence, huh?
Respectfully,
~Ramy (who has no accent, demonstrates PERFECT grammar, but is still quite the n00b)
and b) Hedgehog isn't looking for it anyways. BUT, Hedge, I dunno...I initially didn't get the feeling that Chuck was bashing your setup; just putting in his $0.02 from his experience. I dunno why, but it seemed you blew up on him vs. everyone else who was pretty much saying the same thing.About Chuck's testing/data, I know quite a few ppl who went from SMIC or FMIC to VMount and experienced temp drops across the board. The VMount was the only variable changed. Same hood, front nose, etc.
Also, I don't think I got the sense that you didn't want any input. But I did find it awkward that someone ELSE posted on YOUR setup. Made me think hmm...if he wanted to share/discuss it, I'd think he'd post it up himself. So maybe that point was overlooked by ... well ... pretty much all of us on this thread lol.
Kevin T. Wyum, unless you also speak two languages, I'd advise that you keep your mouth shut. I don't care if you're a "big list" guy or Mr. stock 1/4 mile record holder...that's a low cheap blow that shows you really had nothing better to say or attack Chuck with - and I think we all know you've had something out for him from day 1, as wherever Chuck's posts are, you can be found. If you CAN speak two languages, then I would have hoped someone that educated would know better than to try and attack someone's argument based on their accent or grammar. I have friends that have to deal w/ that kind of GARBAGE on a daily basis, even though they're brighter than 99% of the population. IGNORANT ppl judge them based on their accent, grammar, and apperance. Kinda ironic how the faulty assessment of one's intellegence shows your own lack of intellegence, huh?
Respectfully,
~Ramy (who has no accent, demonstrates PERFECT grammar, but is still quite the n00b)
Last edited by FDNewbie; 09-22-05 at 09:01 PM.
09-22-05, 10:09 PM
#80
ROFL that's a riot. I might reply later if I have time. I didn't mention your copy shop so why did you feel the need to bring my name up? Are you still having sick dreams about me? BTW what was this about your SMIC design? I don't think I ever heard about that. BTW didn't you just cry about selling your copy shop a few posts above this?
Ramy,
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder. Chuck was nice enough to post my name before I said a word in case you hadn't noticed. Please explain to me why I should care if a person speaks another language? If they're going to insult other people and argue in English it's fair game, especially when done in such volume. Didn't you know Chuck has a BS in Chemistry from Berkley? It makes him an expert on physics, he said so above.
Ramy,
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder. Chuck was nice enough to post my name before I said a word in case you hadn't noticed. Please explain to me why I should care if a person speaks another language? If they're going to insult other people and argue in English it's fair game, especially when done in such volume. Didn't you know Chuck has a BS in Chemistry from Berkley? It makes him an expert on physics, he said so above.
09-22-05, 10:36 PM
#81
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Ramy,
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder.
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder.
Also notice I tried my best not to say anything negative toward Hedgehog, too. I don't forget easily, and I remembered how he helped me out in a thread almost 2 years ago - even if it was something as simple as offering to host my pics. Acts of kindness aren't forgotten easily (so Hedge, I'm still greatful
).As for chip on my shoulder, maybe your reading skills aren't up to par. Did you consult my username yet? Or the sentence following my name in my previous post? Break it down into subject, verb, noun, predicate, and maybe you'll realize that your "chip off your shoulder" comment was not only completely out of place, but it shows you're reaching - and far, and reaching for anything at that. I think we all know who has a chip (or two, or three, or a few) on his shoulder here...
Please explain to me why I should care if a person speaks another language?
~Ramy
Last edited by FDNewbie; 09-22-05 at 10:42 PM.
09-22-05, 10:40 PM
#83
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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Are you high or something? This thread had nothing to do with you and then you came here posting some stupid comments about me and now you say I brought your name up? Did I mention anything "Kevin T. Wyum" before you posted? Your forum name is Kevin T. Wyum. What else should I refer you then? "The old arrogant bastard that still thinks his 90's creation is the best"? My company name is the same as the forum name. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can tell you are talking about me and Rotary Extreme. You are really a piece of work. I wish I can have a mentality like you then I won't be so stressed out.
I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me.
Last time I heard you copied PFS for the IC but always told people yours is the original design. Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough.
What the hell is this supposed to mean?
"Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case. "
Should I take it as a praise? I am sorry. I didn't know you think so high of me. Did I insult anyone? You are the one who insults people the most. It's very cheerful to look through all your posts.
Chuck
I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me.
Last time I heard you copied PFS for the IC but always told people yours is the original design. Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough.
What the hell is this supposed to mean?
"Chuck, your firm grasp of physics is only exceeded by your written english and astonishing ability to create concise clear arguments. I've never seen anyone so consistently spew enormous volumes of typing while saying so very little. I was quite the blowhard in my youth but you're out of control. A debate isn't won by the last person still talking, or typing in this case. "
Should I take it as a praise? I am sorry. I didn't know you think so high of me. Did I insult anyone? You are the one who insults people the most. It's very cheerful to look through all your posts.
Chuck
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
ROFL that's a riot. I might reply later if I have time. I didn't mention your copy shop so why did you feel the need to bring my name up? Are you still having sick dreams about me? BTW what was this about your SMIC design? I don't think I ever heard about that. BTW didn't you just cry about selling your copy shop a few posts above this?
Ramy,
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder. Chuck was nice enough to post my name before I said a word in case you hadn't noticed. Please explain to me why I should care if a person speaks another language? If they're going to insult other people and argue in English it's fair game, especially when done in such volume. Didn't you know Chuck has a BS in Chemistry from Berkley? It makes him an expert on physics, he said so above.
Ramy,
Nice try, wipe the poop off your nose and get that chip off your shoulder. Chuck was nice enough to post my name before I said a word in case you hadn't noticed. Please explain to me why I should care if a person speaks another language? If they're going to insult other people and argue in English it's fair game, especially when done in such volume. Didn't you know Chuck has a BS in Chemistry from Berkley? It makes him an expert on physics, he said so above.
Last edited by rotaryextreme; 09-22-05 at 10:43 PM.
09-22-05, 10:49 PM
#84
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
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Come on now. Don't make me look like an ESL student. LOL. I got 75% percentile on my GMAT. 
But maybe Kevin was right. I don't speak **** in English. I just use a translator and when I speak my first language, it will translate into English and type it for me. Have you tried translation program? Sometimes you just can't understand a thing. I should have gotten a better program.
Chuck
Because if you're insulting him because his SECOND language isn't perfect, but you yourself only know ONE language, who's the idiot here?? He's quite a few steps ahead of you, having mastered one language and working on the second. If that point still passes you by, I dunno what else to say.
~Ramy
But maybe Kevin was right. I don't speak **** in English. I just use a translator and when I speak my first language, it will translate into English and type it for me. Have you tried translation program? Sometimes you just can't understand a thing. I should have gotten a better program.
Chuck
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Because if you're insulting him because his SECOND language isn't perfect, but you yourself only know ONE language, who's the idiot here?? He's quite a few steps ahead of you, having mastered one language and working on the second. If that point still passes you by, I dunno what else to say.
~Ramy
09-23-05, 02:03 AM
#86
Am I high? I must be. I just spent 20 minutes skimming this nut job thread. Are you suggesting you used a translator program to type this and your other replies? The structure is so mucked up I can't tell if you are bringing my name up or attempting to quote someone else with this... You managed to quote other parts of the post but not this snippit?
"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."
Even if it was, what you've posted since then tells me you're off your rocker. You've also got quite a potty mouth on you. I don't think that's going to help you sell vmounts, or your business for that matter. It must be a terrifying experience to live in your world of paranoia.
" "The old arrogant bastard that still thinks his 90's creation is the best"? My company name is the same as the forum name. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can tell you are talking about me and Rotary Extreme."
Actually they couldn't. A person with an IQ of 10 couldn't tell you much of anything.
"You are really a piece of work. I wish I can have a mentality like you then I won't be so stressed out. "
Thank you and yes you would probably enjoy life more with my mentality, mind you I can be pretty suspicious but you're off the deep end with paranoia.
"I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me. "
It doesn't concern me, it interests me. I remember when your were shucking your HMounts, you argued for pages and pages and pages about how it was the best setup. Funny you made something different and now it's the best thing, err I mean you copied something different, sorry.
"...Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough."
Yes that's what you have, a copy shop. Do you not make direct copies of dozens of parts created by other people and sell them as your own brand without giving them any compensation? Furthermore you act like a high school girl, threatening to copy my parts. You did the same thing in the past when you lost your temper here. I believe your last threat was you'd make your own SMIC and sell it for $1000 just to get back at me. Go ahead and make a copy of my duct, do you honestly think anyone believes that you wouldn't have copied it long ago if you thought you could make money selling them? The funniest part is it would hurt your own sales of Vmounts so it would be worth the laugh watching you screw yourself in a tantrum . Your mother would be proud.
"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."
Even if it was, what you've posted since then tells me you're off your rocker. You've also got quite a potty mouth on you. I don't think that's going to help you sell vmounts, or your business for that matter. It must be a terrifying experience to live in your world of paranoia.
" "The old arrogant bastard that still thinks his 90's creation is the best"? My company name is the same as the forum name. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can tell you are talking about me and Rotary Extreme."
Actually they couldn't. A person with an IQ of 10 couldn't tell you much of anything.
"You are really a piece of work. I wish I can have a mentality like you then I won't be so stressed out. "
Thank you and yes you would probably enjoy life more with my mentality, mind you I can be pretty suspicious but you're off the deep end with paranoia.
"I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me. "
It doesn't concern me, it interests me. I remember when your were shucking your HMounts, you argued for pages and pages and pages about how it was the best setup. Funny you made something different and now it's the best thing, err I mean you copied something different, sorry.
"...Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough."
Yes that's what you have, a copy shop. Do you not make direct copies of dozens of parts created by other people and sell them as your own brand without giving them any compensation? Furthermore you act like a high school girl, threatening to copy my parts. You did the same thing in the past when you lost your temper here. I believe your last threat was you'd make your own SMIC and sell it for $1000 just to get back at me. Go ahead and make a copy of my duct, do you honestly think anyone believes that you wouldn't have copied it long ago if you thought you could make money selling them? The funniest part is it would hurt your own sales of Vmounts so it would be worth the laugh watching you screw yourself in a tantrum
. Your mother would be proud.
09-23-05, 02:19 AM
#87
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
I just have the ***** to stand by ppl I call "friends," unlike many ppl who may SAY they like you, call you, wave, but when push comes to shove, they're nowhere to be found.
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
The attack on Chuck was unprovoked. And I don't think it would have made a difference if he called your name in or not. You were on the way. You know it...,
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
Also notice I tried my best not to say anything negative toward Hedgehog, too. I don't forget easily, and I remembered how he helped me out in a thread almost 2 years ago...
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
As for chip on my shoulder, maybe your reading skills aren't up to par.
~Ramy
~Ramy
Originally Posted by FDNewbie
I don't care if you're a "big list" guy or Mr. stock 1/4 mile record holder
09-23-05, 03:00 AM
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Speedkah,
The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.[/QUOTE]
There are other advantages, there is more 'surface' area with an angled core than a normal FM setup which also goes some way to eliminate the 'depth' issue.
As far as core manufacturing goes, you need to realise that the demand of the market is what sets the trend. the fact that there are endless threads with loads of people debating and arguing over IC and RAD efficeintcy tells me that the market is already demanding . and no I'm not looking at just FD's, mid rear and rear mounted engined cars could benefit from ithe idea as well.
I suppose at the end of the day others can take it or leave it. I am already in the process of manufacturing a proto-type as I see absolultly no sense in debating which way to angle IC's and RADs when( becasue of the fins) all of these ideas are inherintly flawed.
if it works,is more efficient, has many applications ( which it does) and looks cool then people will go for it and the manufacturers will follow
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The angle core isn't a new idea, it's just never been practical to spend the large sums of money to actually do it. The raw core manufacturers would never tool up for something like this with such a tiny little market like the RX7's. The likely problems if you ever got past that point add up as well, what standard angle would be used, and so on.
You're right in that it would work a lot better than a tilted flat core you find in Vmounts but regardless of how much better it is it's just too expensive at this stage in the after market for RX7's.[/QUOTE]
There are other advantages, there is more 'surface' area with an angled core than a normal FM setup which also goes some way to eliminate the 'depth' issue.
As far as core manufacturing goes, you need to realise that the demand of the market is what sets the trend. the fact that there are endless threads with loads of people debating and arguing over IC and RAD efficeintcy tells me that the market is already demanding . and no I'm not looking at just FD's, mid rear and rear mounted engined cars could benefit from ithe idea as well.
I suppose at the end of the day others can take it or leave it. I am already in the process of manufacturing a proto-type as I see absolultly no sense in debating which way to angle IC's and RADs when( becasue of the fins) all of these ideas are inherintly flawed.
if it works,is more efficient, has many applications ( which it does) and looks cool then people will go for it and the manufacturers will follow
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09-23-05, 03:58 AM
#91
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"SMIC all have radiator blockage. The duct blocks at least half of the exit of the radiator. Go ask Wyum if I dare? What's that supposed to mean? I mean if you think the SMIC is so great, why didn't you use the same IC core and do a SMIC? I don't know where you are going with this."
You are not high, you just can't read the whole thing without jumping into conclusion. HedgeHog asked me to "GO ASK Wyum". So I asked him what's that supposed to mean? Did you see that part? Did I bring out your name or he did?
Even if it was, what you've posted since then tells me you're off your rocker. You've also got quite a potty mouth on you. I don't think that's going to help you sell vmounts, or your business for that matter. It must be a terrifying experience to live in your world of paranoia.
I don't follow you around or show up whenever there is a SMIC thread. But apparently you do whenever there is a Vmount thread. Who is paranoid?
" "The old arrogant bastard that still thinks his 90's creation is the best"? My company name is the same as the forum name. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can tell you are talking about me and Rotary Extreme."
Actually they couldn't. A person with an IQ of 10 couldn't tell you much of anything.
"I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me. "
It doesn't concern me, it interests me. I remember when your were shucking your HMounts, you argued for pages and pages and pages about how it was the best setup. Funny you made something different and now it's the best thing, err I mean you copied something different, sorry.
It seems to me that whoever makes a SMIC, it has to be approved by you or you have to know. I never said the HMIC is the best. If you remember correctly, I was trying to do the HMIC and VMIC at the same time. Yeah, if VMIC is better than HMIC, why make a HMIC? That's why I dumped that idea and goes for VMIC. Duh! The SMIC was made in 1999 without your approval. Happy?
"...Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough."
Furthermore you act like a high school girl, threatening to copy my parts.
Just to **** you off. Apparently it did the job. Since you are accusing me of copying, maybe I should so you can finally have a true claim. Did I ever copy any of your crap? NO. Are you pissed? Yes!
You did the same thing in the past when you lost your temper here. I believe your last threat was you'd make your own SMIC and sell it for $1000 just to get back at me.
Because you keep accusing me of copying your stuff when you can't find none on my website. So I figure maybe I should, just so you have something true to say. Now you are you pissed because XS Power is selling the SMIC for $250. That must hurt a lot of your business. But don't take it out on me. I DID NOT COPY ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS! Apparent, in the XS Power Thread, you seems to hate Chinese people. I am not Chinese, are you relieved?
Go ahead and make a copy of my duct, do you honestly think anyone believes that you wouldn't have copied it long ago if you thought you could make money selling them?
I am just kidding! I will not make a duct for that. I feel bad lying to people SMIC being the best while it isn't.
The funniest part is it would hurt your own sales of Vmounts so it would be worth the laugh watching you screw yourself in a tantrum . Your mother would be proud
Your mother should be more pround of your following people's *** and trying to get on their back. Do you serioulsy think I care a lot about the vmount sales. I do this because I love RX7. I won't die without selling rx7 parts, just like you. Even without vmounts, there are still tons of stuff to sell. I don't just sell IC's. You clearly has no concept of business. If I offer both, I would have attracted both ends of the customers. The sales number will go up, not down. But since I don't think SMIC is such as good idea, unless it's done as Trev's setup, I would not sell one. And spending that much time to make that duct, people might as well just buy the vmount. Happy?
You are not high, you just can't read the whole thing without jumping into conclusion. HedgeHog asked me to "GO ASK Wyum". So I asked him what's that supposed to mean? Did you see that part? Did I bring out your name or he did?
Even if it was, what you've posted since then tells me you're off your rocker. You've also got quite a potty mouth on you. I don't think that's going to help you sell vmounts, or your business for that matter. It must be a terrifying experience to live in your world of paranoia.
I don't follow you around or show up whenever there is a SMIC thread. But apparently you do whenever there is a Vmount thread. Who is paranoid?
" "The old arrogant bastard that still thinks his 90's creation is the best"? My company name is the same as the forum name. Anyone with an IQ of 10 can tell you are talking about me and Rotary Extreme."
Actually they couldn't. A person with an IQ of 10 couldn't tell you much of anything.
"I made a SMIC 6 years ago. Does that concern you? It's not a copy of yours. Go worry about XS Power copying your thing. Do not worry about me. I have no interest offering SMIC ever since I made the VMIC. Why would I make something when I know it's inferior. That really beats me. "
It doesn't concern me, it interests me. I remember when your were shucking your HMounts, you argued for pages and pages and pages about how it was the best setup. Funny you made something different and now it's the best thing, err I mean you copied something different, sorry.
It seems to me that whoever makes a SMIC, it has to be approved by you or you have to know. I never said the HMIC is the best. If you remember correctly, I was trying to do the HMIC and VMIC at the same time. Yeah, if VMIC is better than HMIC, why make a HMIC? That's why I dumped that idea and goes for VMIC. Duh! The SMIC was made in 1999 without your approval. Happy?
"...Maybe I should just make the IC duct for the XS Power IC to make you happy since I run a "copy shop" Since you think of me that way, I might as well make it that way since the business will be sold and I simply don't give a damn anymore. **** me off more and see what other stuff I will do. I have tolerated you long enough."
Furthermore you act like a high school girl, threatening to copy my parts.
Just to **** you off. Apparently it did the job. Since you are accusing me of copying, maybe I should so you can finally have a true claim. Did I ever copy any of your crap? NO. Are you pissed? Yes!
You did the same thing in the past when you lost your temper here. I believe your last threat was you'd make your own SMIC and sell it for $1000 just to get back at me.
Because you keep accusing me of copying your stuff when you can't find none on my website. So I figure maybe I should, just so you have something true to say. Now you are you pissed because XS Power is selling the SMIC for $250. That must hurt a lot of your business. But don't take it out on me. I DID NOT COPY ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS! Apparent, in the XS Power Thread, you seems to hate Chinese people. I am not Chinese, are you relieved?
Go ahead and make a copy of my duct, do you honestly think anyone believes that you wouldn't have copied it long ago if you thought you could make money selling them?
I am just kidding! I will not make a duct for that. I feel bad lying to people SMIC being the best while it isn't.
The funniest part is it would hurt your own sales of Vmounts so it would be worth the laugh watching you screw yourself in a tantrum
. Your mother would be proudYour mother should be more pround of your following people's *** and trying to get on their back. Do you serioulsy think I care a lot about the vmount sales. I do this because I love RX7. I won't die without selling rx7 parts, just like you. Even without vmounts, there are still tons of stuff to sell. I don't just sell IC's. You clearly has no concept of business. If I offer both, I would have attracted both ends of the customers. The sales number will go up, not down. But since I don't think SMIC is such as good idea, unless it's done as Trev's setup, I would not sell one. And spending that much time to make that duct, people might as well just buy the vmount. Happy?
Last edited by rotaryextreme; 09-23-05 at 04:10 AM.
09-23-05, 04:02 AM
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Jumping into conclusing again! You were never in this thread until HedgeHog brought you out. Now it's because of me? How about other people bitching at his setup while I just said putting the IC on the top will work the best. I am the bad guy now. This is all because of me. I didn't realize I have that much influence upon people on the forum.
Dude, you need to improve your reading skill. Read the whole thing before you jump into conclusion.
Chuck
Dude, you need to improve your reading skill. Read the whole thing before you jump into conclusion.
Chuck
Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Someone posted about a Vmount that wasn't from Chuck.
09-23-05, 04:23 AM
#93
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Kevin, there is one thing I want you to know. Even though I do not like you simply because you are always on my back for no obvious reason, I will not copy your product. I have general respect for all the US vendors no matter if they have a good relationship with me or not. I say things to **** you off but don't worry. I will not copy your product. If I would, I could have done so long time ago. Get some rest. How old are you now? 37?
Chuck
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09-23-05, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
It seems to me that whoever makes a SMIC, it has to be approved by you or you have to know... The SMIC was made in 1999 without your approval. Happy?
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
Did I ever copy any of your crap? NO. Are you pissed? Yes!
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
Because you keep accusing me of copying your stuff when you can't find none on my website.
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
Now you are you pissed because XS Power is selling the SMIC for $250. That must hurt a lot of your business. But don't take it out on me. I DID NOT COPY ANY OF YOUR PRODUCTS! Apparent, in the XS Power Thread, you seems to hate Chinese people. I am not Chinese, are you relieved?
As for hating Chinese people, I think you better tell that to my wife and her family or Kevin Tan. If it makes you feel any better though I am relieved that you're not Chinese. I wouldn't wish such a shame as that on them. The Chinese Communist Party on the otherhand is a real piece of work that I don't care for.
BTW it's obvious that you have enormous guilt over copying things and selling them since you keep going on about it but I don't think I've ever suggested you copied something of mine. Maybe you can shed some light on this.
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme
You clearly has no concept of business. If I offer both, I would have attracted both ends of the customers. The sales number will go up, not down. Happy?
Kevin T. Wyum
P.S. time for a nap and I probably won't be able to post much tomorrow. Lots of work to do. Have to pay Damian for all that awesome work
I highly recommend them btw.
09-23-05, 05:20 AM
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And I said you copied what of mine? Am I pissed? Hardly, amused would be more on target.
Let me refresh your memory a little bit. 7 years ago when I made the 3" downpipe from scratch for the 3rd gen, you posted on the big list that I copied the ATR downpipe which is supposed to be yours.
Boy are you a strange guy. I think you must be thinking of someone else because I don't ever recall suggesting you copied anything of mine. You've copied from everyone else under the sun though.
Bodykits yes because people want them at a budget. Performance parts, no.
I'm not kidding I'm really honestly laughing. I think you missed the part in that XS Power thread where I explained that I don't really do much with car stuff anymore and it's less than 1% of my income now days. I further went on to mention that for $250 it is a good deal. Does it sound like I'm really mad about it and that it severely hurt me?
I can't tell. If you don't care, you probably would not be on that thread. Am I on that thread? No, because I don't care about SMIC sales.
As for hating Chinese people, I think you better tell that to my wife and her family or Kevin Tan. If it makes you feel any better though I am relieved that you're not Chinese. I wouldn't wish such a shame as that on them. The Chinese Communist Party on the otherhand is a real piece of work that I don't care for.
On that thread, your comments on Chinese would lead people to think so. Upon your prejudice on people who do not write perfect English, that lead me to think so. If you are not prejudiced against Chinese people in general, that's great.
BTW it's obvious that you have enormous guilt over copying things and selling them since you keep going on about it but I don't think I've ever suggested you copied something of mine. Maybe you can shed some light on this.
By calling my company a copy shop, what else do you want me to think? You always bring out that I was threatening you of going to copy your SMIC while it was never done, what else do you want me to think? You are just taking stuff out of context and put it in my mouth. If you never said that I would copy your stuff, why would I say so just to **** you off?
No I'm very new to this business thing you keep talking about. I am sorry hear that your sales have gone down, "The sales number will go up, not down" I have to confess thanks in large part to the awesome web work of Damian and his partner every month for the last 6 has been an all time record of 13 years. So in answer to your question, YES, I am very happy.
When did I say the sales numbers have gone down? It's actually pretty consistant every month and since I have opened up the Euro market, it's getting better. But thanks for your concern. As for your full time business, I have no idea what it is and if you think I made a comment, I didn't.
Kevin T. Wyum
P.S. time for a nap and I probably won't be able to post much tomorrow. Lots of work to do. Have to pay Damian for all that awesome work I highly recommend them btw.
Damian is a great guy. I like his starwar comedy on his web.
Let me refresh your memory a little bit. 7 years ago when I made the 3" downpipe from scratch for the 3rd gen, you posted on the big list that I copied the ATR downpipe which is supposed to be yours.
Boy are you a strange guy. I think you must be thinking of someone else because I don't ever recall suggesting you copied anything of mine. You've copied from everyone else under the sun though.
Bodykits yes because people want them at a budget. Performance parts, no.
I'm not kidding I'm really honestly laughing. I think you missed the part in that XS Power thread where I explained that I don't really do much with car stuff anymore and it's less than 1% of my income now days. I further went on to mention that for $250 it is a good deal. Does it sound like I'm really mad about it and that it severely hurt me?
I can't tell. If you don't care, you probably would not be on that thread. Am I on that thread? No, because I don't care about SMIC sales.
As for hating Chinese people, I think you better tell that to my wife and her family or Kevin Tan. If it makes you feel any better though I am relieved that you're not Chinese. I wouldn't wish such a shame as that on them. The Chinese Communist Party on the otherhand is a real piece of work that I don't care for.
On that thread, your comments on Chinese would lead people to think so. Upon your prejudice on people who do not write perfect English, that lead me to think so. If you are not prejudiced against Chinese people in general, that's great.
BTW it's obvious that you have enormous guilt over copying things and selling them since you keep going on about it but I don't think I've ever suggested you copied something of mine. Maybe you can shed some light on this.
By calling my company a copy shop, what else do you want me to think? You always bring out that I was threatening you of going to copy your SMIC while it was never done, what else do you want me to think? You are just taking stuff out of context and put it in my mouth. If you never said that I would copy your stuff, why would I say so just to **** you off?
No I'm very new to this business thing you keep talking about. I am sorry hear that your sales have gone down, "The sales number will go up, not down" I have to confess thanks in large part to the awesome web work of Damian and his partner every month for the last 6 has been an all time record of 13 years. So in answer to your question, YES, I am very happy.
When did I say the sales numbers have gone down? It's actually pretty consistant every month and since I have opened up the Euro market, it's getting better. But thanks for your concern. As for your full time business, I have no idea what it is and if you think I made a comment, I didn't.
Kevin T. Wyum
P.S. time for a nap and I probably won't be able to post much tomorrow. Lots of work to do. Have to pay Damian for all that awesome work
I highly recommend them btw. Damian is a great guy. I like his starwar comedy on his web.
09-23-05, 07:55 PM
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ahahaha this is sooo funny
but seriously for a minute, although im not taking sides
i believe both chuck and kevin are unprofessional, and if i did own an rx7 and lived anywhere near either company i wouldnt take it to them
as for which mount is better, they both have their pros and cons, and they have to be weighed up to which suits the 'user better', it may be that a vmount is better for an rx7, who knows
lol this is sooo funny, considering neither of you have engineering degrees and you consider a cooling system / intercooler a 'physics' problem ahahahaha
think heat transfer and thermodynamics problem boys, then you need to consider the fluid dynamics of the ducting (if any)
but seriously for a minute, although im not taking sides
i believe both chuck and kevin are unprofessional, and if i did own an rx7 and lived anywhere near either company i wouldnt take it to them
as for which mount is better, they both have their pros and cons, and they have to be weighed up to which suits the 'user better', it may be that a vmount is better for an rx7, who knows
lol this is sooo funny, considering neither of you have engineering degrees and you consider a cooling system / intercooler a 'physics' problem ahahahaha
think heat transfer and thermodynamics problem boys, then you need to consider the fluid dynamics of the ducting (if any)
09-23-05, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin T. Wyum
Well at least you're out in the open about having a personal bias in this. That explains a lot of your other statements.
And yea, I'm very clear and to the point. I don't beat around the bush or try and hide my views, unlike some ppl. You're the one trying to convince ppl his V-mount isn't better, and your motives aren't biased, but of course, you stand ot profit from every person who doesn't buy Chuck's V-mount, as your SMIC is the next IC of choice. Hmm...there's a brain-buster.
Thanks again for reinforcing how objective your statements are. I tried my best not to say anything negative because he was nice to me. So if he hadn't been your reality would have changed?
Uhh...
Keep it up...cuz you're digging yourself deeper by the minute.~Ramy
09-23-05, 09:06 PM
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one thing i missed is that he is running the KS vented hood?
i would be curious to see the temerature difference with the hood vented and with the rain trays in to make it unvented.
the under tray does look very nice.
i would be curious to see the temerature difference with the hood vented and with the rain trays in to make it unvented.
the under tray does look very nice.
