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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 11:24 PM
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Unhappy Denatured alcohol raises engine temps?

Allegedly ran a gallon with 1/4 tank (about 4-1) and my temps (allegedly) were at 105C with A/C on #4!

Can anyone confirm this?

I will install cold plugs tomorrow. Stupid CA smog bullship. I'll find a damn loophole. Damn government sheep fornicators!
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 11:44 PM
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Colder plugs should make it harder to pass emissions tests. I'd go with new copper plugs, 7's and 9's for the smog test, then switch back to something colder for high-boost applications.

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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 12:40 AM
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Hotter the engine, colder the plug. Generally more boost creates more heat.

Aren't rotaries classifed as 2 cyclinder engines? if so, found a loophole? ...maybe not, says rotary exception under 2 stroke.

http://www.smogcentral.com/HTML/smog_101_pt1.htm

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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 12:45 AM
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No its normal considered a 4cyc, for those who are to stupid to understand how a rotary works
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by scotty305
Colder plugs should make it harder to pass emissions tests. I'd go with new copper plugs, 7's and 9's for the smog test, then switch back to something colder for high-boost applications.

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He's right. If you want to pass emissions tests the hotter your engine is running the better. More heat leads to a more complete combustion of gas. I would run the tank of denatured alcohol out (after you pass emissions) and check if you are still getting high engine temps. It may not be the culprit.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 03:02 AM
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When I got home I poped the pressure cap and it had one huge megaburp! I think i've found the smog exempt loophole i've been searching for. I will have to "allegedly" try and see if it works. http://members.tripod.com/~skrewdmv/bismog.html
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GoRacer
Allegedly ran a gallon with 1/4 tank (about 4-1) and my temps (allegedly) were at 105C with A/C on #4!

Can anyone confirm this?
I use alcohol every year. Never had a problem with temps...
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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^ cool thanks, must have been air in the system then.

I just called DMV (alllegedly) and asked about the loophole. When I said the city didn't require a bi-annual smog check she said that was impossible and looked it up. She then said "what the ..." and hung up on me.
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I read the website you linked, but I'm not sure I understand it. Does it mean you don't need to smog your car if you live in one of the zip codes that is listed on that site?

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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 11:20 AM
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Nevermind, read it again and figured it out. Either their data is old, or it's a list of the change of address costs. I checked my zip code with the current DMV website, and it says I need to pass the 'enhanced' dyno test.

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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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OMG..I'm sooo glad I don't live in that Socialist state
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 01:34 PM
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Read the first part about how you can register the car as an out of state vehicle. That looks like it might work if you can send it to a friend/relatives house that lives outside cali. Does this work with insurance or do they get confused because hte car is registered out of state?
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 02:16 PM
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OMG..I'm sooo glad I don't live in that Socialist state
Passing smog is a pain, but easilly obtainable if you read the threads that are out there. There are lots of tricks and what not to get your car temporarilly running clean. Unless you've modded to a single turbo or some other obvious mod that won't pass visual inspection. Then you have to resort to more extreme measures like registering your car out of state, or just go to a shop that you can pay off to pass.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 02:53 PM
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I read the website you linked, but I'm not sure I understand it. Does it mean you don't need to smog your car if you live in one of the zip codes that is listed on that site?

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I know how it works. I spent the whole day yesterday at work reasearching (allegedly) this and figured it out. I think I might setup a web site and charge a convenience fee to have it done.

The easier way, assuming you can find the right station is:
RS Akimoto intake CARB#
HKS FMIC CARB #
(read between the lines cause I won't post teh details)
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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Unless you've modded to a single turbo or some other obvious mod that won't pass visual inspection. Then you have to resort to more extreme measures like registering your car out of state, or just go to a shop that you can pay off to pass.
I'm single turbo and cringe at the thought of having to jump through hoops and pay people off every year just so I can drive a car. But I guess that's what you have to do.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by radkins
I'm single turbo and cringe at the thought of having to jump through hoops and pay people off every year just so I can drive a car. But I guess that's what you have to do.
Yea I hate the entire idea of a visual inspection of a vehicles emissions components. I'd say it's this very fact that has kept me from getting an intercooler (although i believe the greddy smic is carb legal).

I had to pass emissions this summer and it was a PITA. I failed the initial attempt (not taking any precautions to clean up emissions) then with some fresh oil, plugs, denatured alcohol, cleaned air pump lines, replacement main catalytic converter, etc... I got my car down to atleast half the emissions limits in all categories. When I think back on all the time and money I spent to accomplish this it may have just been easier to pay someone off

Atleast I won't have to worry about it for 2 years now
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 08:36 PM
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Visual is f'n jackhole poop on a stick! On the DMV web site it says an intake is legal if it retains all the hookups (like air pump) but they either won't test you or fail you and take your money. The wording is really vaig or rather sounds like a vehicle code or law document. From what I get out of it, it may need to retain a closed box shape if the oem version was a closed box, which means an M2 box should be legal.

Even with CARB #'s i've had problems. On my CRX my DC Sports Headers were CARB legal but they never gave me a sticker and they were not stamped. I provided printed proof but all the test only stations would test me unless it was stamped. I had to buy a new version.

For CA if you wanna stay legal, I recomend Adam C's intake mod (they all look for intakes), Greddy SMIC, Racing Beat's intake duct (allthough the material is total ****. if someone made a replica in fiberglass or carbon fiber then it would be worth $100 and not $0.10), piggy back fuel computer, replace pulleys hard lines and hoses in black color.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 09:13 PM
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why do you say a piggy back ecu? why cant you use a pfc?
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 09:28 PM
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PFC Isn't CARB legal, so they can fail you for replacing the stock ECU. A piggy back retains the OEM ECU and control of EGR (PFC won't control EGR). Even if they don't notice the PFC you'r NOx level will be higher without the EGR and Alcohol won't reduce that (so i've read - don't have before/after proof). If you are in a Basic Smog city (they don't test for NOx) or you model does not have EGR then you would should be ok.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by GoRacer
PFC Isn't CARB legal, so they can fail you for replacing the stock ECU. A piggy back retains the OEM ECU and control of EGR (PFC won't control EGR). Even if they don't notice the PFC you'r NOx level will be higher without the EGR and Alcohol won't reduce that (so i've read - don't have before/after proof). If you are in a Basic Smog city (they don't test for NOx) or you model does not have EGR then you would should be ok.
My EGR was not functioning when I had my car smogged and I passed the NOx emissions no problem. The EGR is not necessary and was removed on the 95 model RX-7's. It shouldn't be a factor for smog since it is only on at cruising speeds in 5th gear. If you are having trouble with NOx emissions advancing the timing can help, but you are only allowed a certain amount of advancement(5 marks I believe).

I've never heard of a smog station inspecting your ECU. As far as passing with a PFC or other modified ECU, it's actually a lot easier. You can lean out your AFR. It makes your car run like **** but once you pass the test you can load your old maps.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GoRacer
Even with CARB #'s i've had problems. On my CRX my DC Sports Headers were CARB legal but they never gave me a sticker and they were not stamped. I provided printed proof but all the test only stations would test me unless it was stamped. I had to buy a new version.
I know there is a site out there where you can check and see if your aftermarket parts are carb legal. All I had to do was write down all the carb numbers and give them to the shop that was smogging my car. They didn't even ask about my catback which was not carb legal, but this was not a test only station. I believe that if you call up the manufacturer of the part they can send you replacement carb stickers, but I've never had to do this.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 10:44 PM
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Actually it would be "retarding" of the timing to lower NOx. I had to do that on my CRX.

They may not look for the PFC but they may recognize the commander ( I put mine under the seat).

I purchased a federal hood sticker which does not show a EGR to replace my CA sticker (allegedly).

Cat back/exhaust doesn't effect emmisions testing, it's a asilencer for noise only.

test only stations are not as lenient and alot of them are dick weeds.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermk...es/amquery.php I gave him HKS FMIC CARB # (allegedly).


* Does anyone know if alcohol can make your idle bounce? I was running about 3-1 yesterday and about 2-1 today. Anyone run alcohol with PFC?
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