Cusco 4 point rollbar pics
Cusco 4 point rollbar pics
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the problems with bolt in roll cages
1) only as strong as the weakest link (the bolts)
2) usually, and i know cusco for a fact, uses skinny tubing that really isnt that strong. the last thing you want is getting in an accdent and having a metal tube stick into your head.
3) not usually approved by most racing organizations = not legal
4) once again they do stiffen chassis but not that much as compared to a custom one.
5) they arent really cost effective. I recall someone paying like 800 for his 4 pt roll bar. thats probably about the price of a custom 4 pt one. why bother getting cusco when you can get a custom one that is approved for race-use?
1) only as strong as the weakest link (the bolts)
2) usually, and i know cusco for a fact, uses skinny tubing that really isnt that strong. the last thing you want is getting in an accdent and having a metal tube stick into your head.
3) not usually approved by most racing organizations = not legal
4) once again they do stiffen chassis but not that much as compared to a custom one.
5) they arent really cost effective. I recall someone paying like 800 for his 4 pt roll bar. thats probably about the price of a custom 4 pt one. why bother getting cusco when you can get a custom one that is approved for race-use?
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Originally Posted by redsuns3838
the problems with bolt in roll cages
1) only as strong as the weakest link (the bolts)
2) usually, and i know cusco for a fact, uses skinny tubing that really isnt that strong. the last thing you want is getting in an accdent and having a metal tube stick into your head.
3) not usually approved by most racing organizations = not legal
4) once again they do stiffen chassis but not that much as compared to a custom one.
5) they arent really cost effective. I recall someone paying like 800 for his 4 pt roll bar. thats probably about the price of a custom 4 pt one. why bother getting cusco when you can get a custom one that is approved for race-use?
1) only as strong as the weakest link (the bolts)
2) usually, and i know cusco for a fact, uses skinny tubing that really isnt that strong. the last thing you want is getting in an accdent and having a metal tube stick into your head.
3) not usually approved by most racing organizations = not legal
4) once again they do stiffen chassis but not that much as compared to a custom one.
5) they arent really cost effective. I recall someone paying like 800 for his 4 pt roll bar. thats probably about the price of a custom 4 pt one. why bother getting cusco when you can get a custom one that is approved for race-use?
Is that raceshop bar the M2 bar?
if it is, then it may not be legal for what you are interested in either. I have one first five M2 bars sold. It's not actually SCCA SOLO 1 or SOLO2 legal. I'm not saying that the bar isn't safe, and i'm not saying it is safe. I am saying that it doesn't comply with the rules.
So if that bar is in your car, in theory one of the following applies. No racing for you, or you get pushed to a class that does not care if your bar fits in with the rulebook.
Still, I'm not a serious racer, but I like the perceived added protection for those times when I do get on track or enter a small-time-event. FWIW. I do like my M2 (raceshop?) bar.
So if that bar is in your car, in theory one of the following applies. No racing for you, or you get pushed to a class that does not care if your bar fits in with the rulebook.
Still, I'm not a serious racer, but I like the perceived added protection for those times when I do get on track or enter a small-time-event. FWIW. I do like my M2 (raceshop?) bar.
M2 and Raceshop are one and the same. With that said, I bought one of the last Raceshop rollbars made 
. Still haven't opened the package yet, but I can't wait to see how it looks in the car.
. Still haven't opened the package yet, but I can't wait to see how it looks in the car.
Originally Posted by GoRacer
I don't see the link to the Race Shop roll bars? 
I don't know if Larry is making anymore at the moment.
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Rxmfn7
while a shop can of course build a crappy/shady roll bar, if you find the right shop, especially ones that build many track-cars and competition track cars, you are likely to get a quality roll cage geared towards the event you are interested in. However, the cusco roll bar is not approved by many racing organizations. Thats just a fact.
I was encouraging the OP to go to a quality race shop and have a custom cage built, much like you said you do. That way you get a great product that is designed for what you need.
Yes its more expensive, but hes asking about a cusco roll bar. I said its not a good idea. I dont believe the cusco bar is thick enough to pass many racing organizations' rules.
I have yet to see a decent bolt in that can compare with a custom job by a COMPETENT fabricator.
while a shop can of course build a crappy/shady roll bar, if you find the right shop, especially ones that build many track-cars and competition track cars, you are likely to get a quality roll cage geared towards the event you are interested in. However, the cusco roll bar is not approved by many racing organizations. Thats just a fact.
I was encouraging the OP to go to a quality race shop and have a custom cage built, much like you said you do. That way you get a great product that is designed for what you need.
Yes its more expensive, but hes asking about a cusco roll bar. I said its not a good idea. I dont believe the cusco bar is thick enough to pass many racing organizations' rules.
I have yet to see a decent bolt in that can compare with a custom job by a COMPETENT fabricator.
Yea, believe me I'm not arguing your point. If you are racing and need a bar to meet the requirements for your class and have access to a local competent builder, by all means thats the way to go. But with that said, there are some bolt in alternatives that could be looked into. Personally Im not racing my FD competitively, but I do know that Larry from the raceshop told me the bar is approved for certain classes, and I have had cusco and autopower bars in some of my other cars, and this bar is worlds better.
Originally Posted by redsuns3838
Rxmfn7
while a shop can of course build a crappy/shady roll bar, if you find the right shop, especially ones that build many track-cars and competition track cars, you are likely to get a quality roll cage geared towards the event you are interested in. However, the cusco roll bar is not approved by many racing organizations. Thats just a fact.
I was encouraging the OP to go to a quality race shop and have a custom cage built, much like you said you do. That way you get a great product that is designed for what you need.
Yes its more expensive, but hes asking about a cusco roll bar. I said its not a good idea. I dont believe the cusco bar is thick enough to pass many racing organizations' rules.
I have yet to see a decent bolt in that can compare with a custom job by a COMPETENT fabricator.
while a shop can of course build a crappy/shady roll bar, if you find the right shop, especially ones that build many track-cars and competition track cars, you are likely to get a quality roll cage geared towards the event you are interested in. However, the cusco roll bar is not approved by many racing organizations. Thats just a fact.
I was encouraging the OP to go to a quality race shop and have a custom cage built, much like you said you do. That way you get a great product that is designed for what you need.
Yes its more expensive, but hes asking about a cusco roll bar. I said its not a good idea. I dont believe the cusco bar is thick enough to pass many racing organizations' rules.
I have yet to see a decent bolt in that can compare with a custom job by a COMPETENT fabricator.
safe is not the same as legal.
So, what's been said about safety in this thread is indeed true. Some bars/cages will have construction that is more likely to protect the occupants than others. The trick is, however, to figure out what class you may be in, and what bar features are OK for that class while maintaining that safe posture.
There are classes, for example, where if the bar/cage enhances the chassis stiffness, the bar/cage is not legal for that class even though it may be quite protective.
There are classes, for example, where if the bar/cage enhances the chassis stiffness, the bar/cage is not legal for that class even though it may be quite protective.
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