Clutchless Manual
02-20-04, 01:45 PM
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BMW and Magneti-Pirelli (Ferrari, Lambo, Aston) are the only companies that make clutchless manual systems for street cars. They are extremely expensive and difficult to program exactly for each car, which is why M-P is on their 3rd or 4th iteration and BMW's SMG sucks ***.
Not only that, but it requires a completely electronic throttle and transmission ecu.
There is no way to retro-fit it, and what would be the point?
Not only that, but it requires a completely electronic throttle and transmission ecu.
There is no way to retro-fit it, and what would be the point?
02-20-04, 01:56 PM
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got probs with clutch cars Frank ?
you can fit a dogbox if you build adaptors for bellhousing, but you'll still needs your clutch to launch, and dogbox trannys arent the best choice in the long run (and on the streets). i think they end up needing a rebuilt after 20k or something like that.
ive seen 13b with volvo dogbox tranny and other mix like that.
you can fit a dogbox if you build adaptors for bellhousing, but you'll still needs your clutch to launch, and dogbox trannys arent the best choice in the long run (and on the streets). i think they end up needing a rebuilt after 20k or something like that.
ive seen 13b with volvo dogbox tranny and other mix like that.
02-20-04, 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by adam c
Come on Tyler, what about the old Karmann Ghia's with the clutchless manual tranny.
Who can forget those
Come on Tyler, what about the old Karmann Ghia's with the clutchless manual tranny.
Who can forget those
02-20-04, 02:53 PM
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No problems with the clutch at all, in fact i only have 1 leg. MUAH nope I was asking because i have an automatic, so it would be easyer making a conversion to a clutchless manual that strictly a manual.
02-20-04, 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by RotorFrank
No problems with the clutch at all, in fact i only have 1 leg. MUAH nope I was asking because i have an automatic, so it would be easyer making a conversion to a clutchless manual that strictly a manual.
No problems with the clutch at all, in fact i only have 1 leg. MUAH nope I was asking because i have an automatic, so it would be easyer making a conversion to a clutchless manual that strictly a manual.
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isn't it magnetti-marelli that makes that f1 transmissions for ferrari? at least that's what my son's ride on miniature ferrari says (since i can't afford a life size one). pirelli makes tires not transmissions/electronics. anyway, more on the topic, the type of transmissions that are being brought up here are not clutchless. they have a clutch that is driven by hydrolics and/or electrics, just no clutch pedal. the only production transmissions that might be considered by some to be clutchless manuals would be similar to the porsche/audi tiptronic system, however, they are still old style slushboxes with modern updates.
02-20-04, 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by legal-z
isn't it magnetti-marelli that makes that f1 transmissions for ferrari? at least that's what my son's ride on miniature ferrari says (since i can't afford a life size one). pirelli makes tires not transmissions/electronics. anyway, more on the topic, the type of transmissions that are being brought up here are not clutchless. they have a clutch that is driven by hydrolics and/or electrics, just no clutch pedal. the only production transmissions that might be considered by some to be clutchless manuals would be similar to the porsche/audi tiptronic system, however, they are still old style slushboxes with modern updates.
isn't it magnetti-marelli that makes that f1 transmissions for ferrari? at least that's what my son's ride on miniature ferrari says (since i can't afford a life size one). pirelli makes tires not transmissions/electronics. anyway, more on the topic, the type of transmissions that are being brought up here are not clutchless. they have a clutch that is driven by hydrolics and/or electrics, just no clutch pedal. the only production transmissions that might be considered by some to be clutchless manuals would be similar to the porsche/audi tiptronic system, however, they are still old style slushboxes with modern updates.
).And yes, I know that the trannies being discussed aren't clutchless, but clutch pedal less. Perhaps I was being too generous assuming the original poster understood that?
02-20-04, 04:21 PM
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i figured you knew rynberg, but based ont rotorfrank's post, i wasn't sure he understood them based on his auto conversion post. not a rag on him, just stating why i posted the info. one thing i'm not positive about but i believe to be the case is that those transmissions are all sequential (like a motorcycle/new mr2), so getting there in an fd would be extremely difficult and unbelievably expensive imo.
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02-20-04, 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by bloodninja
http://www.jericoperformance.com/
http://www.jericoperformance.com/
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Originally posted by rynberg
Yeah, a pure racing transmission that costs over $6000 (just for the tranny) and would require extreme customization is a feasible idea.....
Yeah, a pure racing transmission that costs over $6000 (just for the tranny) and would require extreme customization is a feasible idea.....
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Read this, clutchless manuals exists, they`re more of a European design(italie, germany, ....etc)
http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovati...3/article.html
I just thought we probly had a company in the U.S that made one.
http://www.edmunds.com/news/innovati...3/article.html
I just thought we probly had a company in the U.S that made one.
02-21-04, 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by RotorFrank
Read this, clutchless manuals exists, they`re more of a European design(italie, germany, ....etc)
Read this, clutchless manuals exists, they`re more of a European design(italie, germany, ....etc)
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that article is misleading since all of the cars actually have a clutch but no clutch pedal. thus, any conversion, by rotorfreak to such a set up, however expensive and unlikely it would be, would require the installation of a clutch.
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