best front mount IC??
12-14-02, 12:38 AM
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i wanna know what the advantages and disadvantages are of V mount intercoolers. To me they seem superior, i wanna know why more people don't think so?
12-14-02, 05:28 AM
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Agreed. I praise the vmic so much for it's application in racing...for just street driving I think an M2 SMIC would suffice, but still be short of a the rotary extreme V-mount in every way I can think of. I guess it just comes down to how much you're willing to invest in your FD.
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12-14-02, 02:42 PM
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Out of curiosity, those running the GReddy two-row front mount with a singe turbo, do you all think it's large enough for something the size of a GT35/40 or a T78 on up?
I picked up mine on Friday and it was supposed to be a three row. Wrong part # got typed in and a 24R 2 row with aluminum piping showed up. I was quite surprised to see how thin the IC was. Wasn't much thicker than a Fluidyne radiator! My initial thought was to install it but I just don't think it has the capacity to cool the air of the larger turbo units. Anyone have any thoughts? Kyle, I know you're running the two row, what are your impressions?
Michel
I picked up mine on Friday and it was supposed to be a three row. Wrong part # got typed in and a 24R 2 row with aluminum piping showed up. I was quite surprised to see how thin the IC was. Wasn't much thicker than a Fluidyne radiator! My initial thought was to install it but I just don't think it has the capacity to cool the air of the larger turbo units. Anyone have any thoughts? Kyle, I know you're running the two row, what are your impressions?
Michel
12-14-02, 02:49 PM
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Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row! Greddy 3-row!
You know you'll be sorry you didn't install the 3-row, Michel
Heck I want the 3-row for my little J-spec twins and ported KD Rotary motor Girth baby
Seriously...let me know what you end up doing with your 2-row FMIC which will end up being inadequate for your application
You know you'll be sorry you didn't install the 3-row, Michel
Heck I want the 3-row for my little J-spec twins and ported KD Rotary motor
Girth baby Seriously...let me know what you end up doing with your 2-row FMIC which will end up being inadequate for your application
You're gonna be road racing that bay boy after all...you don't want it overheat do you?!
12-14-02, 03:10 PM
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I'm "hoping" that the shop takes it back and I get the three row. There seems to be a slight stink about it since I supplied them with the part number even though I also specified I wanted the three row 32R and the price/part number does not match the 32R three row. The two row does look nice however and the build quality is first rate. Manny, if you'd like to purchase it from me I'd sell it for what I paid for it which is $1350 not including shipping. If you need it quickly I'm your man, LOL. But it has the aluminum piping for a GReddy turbo kit (read single) and not the twins.
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12-14-02, 03:13 PM
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Sheeeeat...Jason sells the 2-row FMIC for $950. Actually there's a special for like $890 something?
How about you sell me the 3-row when they eventually get the correct part in for $950
How about you sell me the 3-row when they eventually get the correct part in for $950
12-14-02, 03:22 PM
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LOL, veeery funny Chronos :-) Actually there would probably be LESS pressure drop as the core is about the same length, just thicker. Think more straws to blow through, LOL.
Manny, I have the GReddy PN#12040057 which is the polished 24R with single turbo piping also polished. There's also a 24R with cheaper piping and not polished (?) as well as the V-spec cores which are much cheaper. List on the 2-row that I have is $1580.
Michel
Manny, I have the GReddy PN#12040057 which is the polished 24R with single turbo piping also polished. There's also a 24R with cheaper piping and not polished (?) as well as the V-spec cores which are much cheaper. List on the 2-row that I have is $1580.
Michel
12-14-02, 07:21 PM
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Yikes $1580 for the 2-row? You gotta hook up with Jason @ the Rx7 Store !!
Actually I'm waiting on Jason to see if he can hook me up with a 3-row for my twin turbos for exactly what you posted, less pressure drop with a 3-row versus a 2-row. But with only 11 psi of manifold pressure, I'm sure the 2-row will be adequate...
Actually I'm waiting on Jason to see if he can hook me up with a 3-row for my twin turbos for exactly what you posted, less pressure drop with a 3-row versus a 2-row. But with only 11 psi of manifold pressure, I'm sure the 2-row will be adequate...
12-14-02, 09:01 PM
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The $950 one Jason sells is the V spec too I believe. Which, btw...is apparently more efficient up to 15psi where the R spec stuff is 15psi plus. So you would be better off with a two-row V spec, that is until you go single :-) But they offer a 2 row in both V and R spec with several different piping kits. Makes my head spin. :-)
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12-14-02, 09:59 PM
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Sheeeaat! I thought the Greddy FMICs only came in two-row and three-row. The 2-row is good to 15 psi with piping set up for twin turbos. The 3-row is good for greater than 15 psi, and has piping set up for single turbos.
I'm asked Jason if he can get piping kits for a 3-row to work with a twin turbo application.
I wasn't aware of the difference between V spec and R specs. I thought the old Greddy FMICs were R specs, which is still available from Rx7.Com (Rotary Performance Garland Tx). Jason sells the newest version of the Greddy FMIC, called V-spec...
Finally which Greddy FMIC is comparable to the Apex GT FMIC? Rx7.Com has the Apex FMIC which includes the hard pipe intake for $1650. I just wasn't sure which FMIC core the Apex was comparable to...the 2-row or the 3-row?
If comparable to the 3-row, then I was going to order the Apex GT/Intake kit. But if the Apex GT core is comparable to the Greddy 2-row, well I'd stay with the Greddy, and get the Apex intake separately.
Jason will need to chime in to clarify all these Greddy FMIC terms...
I'm asked Jason if he can get piping kits for a 3-row to work with a twin turbo application.
I wasn't aware of the difference between V spec and R specs. I thought the old Greddy FMICs were R specs, which is still available from Rx7.Com (Rotary Performance Garland Tx). Jason sells the newest version of the Greddy FMIC, called V-spec...
Finally which Greddy FMIC is comparable to the Apex GT FMIC? Rx7.Com has the Apex FMIC which includes the hard pipe intake for $1650. I just wasn't sure which FMIC core the Apex was comparable to...the 2-row or the 3-row?
If comparable to the 3-row, then I was going to order the Apex GT/Intake kit. But if the Apex GT core is comparable to the Greddy 2-row, well I'd stay with the Greddy, and get the Apex intake separately.
Jason will need to chime in to clarify all these Greddy FMIC terms...
12-14-02, 11:35 PM
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Both the V spec and the R spec are up to date products. GReddy "had" a 19R three row which was about 4" thick but not as long as the current IC's. The V spec is just the newest design and uses a different fin pattern internally which makes it more efficient at lower boost levels, ie. 15psi and lower. The description on the RX7 store site is actually incorrect. They don't divide it up by 2 or 3 row in terms of which is best for a certain psi, just by the V or R core spec. V for 15psi and lower, R for 15psi and greater. I suspect however, that the 2 rows become restrictive with the larger turbos.
The Apexi is a three row and quite thick. No one seems to have data such as pressure drop or CFM for any of these cores however, so comparisons are pretty moot unfortunately. It'd be nice to match an IC to a turbo/engine's flow capabilities, no? :-)
Michel
The Apexi is a three row and quite thick. No one seems to have data such as pressure drop or CFM for any of these cores however, so comparisons are pretty moot unfortunately. It'd be nice to match an IC to a turbo/engine's flow capabilities, no? :-)
Michel
12-14-02, 11:39 PM
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Ahh, if the Apex GT is comparable to a 3-row Greddy FMIC, then Rx7.Com might be the ticket? Rx7.Com sells the Apex GT FMIC with a hard pipe intake kit for $1650.
Thanks for the clarification, Michel!
Thanks for the clarification, Michel!
07-16-03, 05:21 PM
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what are the feelings here on the Blitz fm intercooler it comes with intakes to. And also, do the Apexi fmics come with dual intakes? Im looking for a fairly large fmic for the stock twins that doesnt need modifications to the bumper, ac, radiator and stuff liek that.
07-25-03, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Chronos
Please don't dig up threads from the graveyard please.
Please don't dig up threads from the graveyard please.
Anyways, just a quick request, does anyone have a pic of the Greddy (or any FMIC on an FD) with the 99+ front end?
TIA
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07-25-03, 05:41 PM
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A few things...
1. The cars that compete in Option Speed trials are speed trail cars meaning that they run one warm up lap and one timed lap. The tuners dont need to be concerned about overheating but they do need to be concerned about cool intake temps so they can tune they're car for more power.
2. Most japan tuners carry a v mount option (AE and panspeed for instance)
3. Nocab, who has a gt35/40 was (and I believe still is) running a gredy 2 row without high intake temps.
4. V mounts require less piping (less lag and more responsive) and expose the radiator to cold air. This is very important for SUSTAINED lapping (ie lap secessions). These are the ultimate track setups.
5. V mounts are expensive. These things can be custom designed and fabricated by someone who has a little fab knowledge and can THINK the intire project though. RE uses a sparco ic core btw. I think their design can be improved just like all others. They are awsome though.
Great reading the rest of the posts and its great to be apart of the board.
Cheers,
Andrew
1. The cars that compete in Option Speed trials are speed trail cars meaning that they run one warm up lap and one timed lap. The tuners dont need to be concerned about overheating but they do need to be concerned about cool intake temps so they can tune they're car for more power.
2. Most japan tuners carry a v mount option (AE and panspeed for instance)
3. Nocab, who has a gt35/40 was (and I believe still is) running a gredy 2 row without high intake temps.
4. V mounts require less piping (less lag and more responsive) and expose the radiator to cold air. This is very important for SUSTAINED lapping (ie lap secessions). These are the ultimate track setups.
5. V mounts are expensive. These things can be custom designed and fabricated by someone who has a little fab knowledge and can THINK the intire project though. RE uses a sparco ic core btw. I think their design can be improved just like all others. They are awsome though.
Great reading the rest of the posts and its great to be apart of the board.
Cheers,
Andrew
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