FDNewbie

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Sounds like me hehe. You'd be surprised what you can find already answered on the forum...

Seeing that there's FOUR mods for the 3rd gen section, I dunno how much help another third one will do

Oh and Jim, I feel you man. What saddens me is, I remember when I first came onto this forum, prob right up until about a year ago, the forum had THE MOST interesting and technical threads I've ever seen, PERIOD. I mean some threads were soo technical, it was like sitting in on a scientific convention - many times of which I tried to keep up but would eventually get lost, or bogged down w/ too many terms and concepts to have to research and read up about just to be able to understand it all haha. And it was like the freakin hall of fame showed up. ALL the big dawgs would come outta the woodworks and chime in. Mahjik, Rynberg, DamonB, DCrosby, Jimlab, Kento, MaxCooper, Crispy, Howard Coleman, etc etc. It was intense.

And I even used to joke around w/ my friend who's on a few other forums about how the most advanced thing they talk about on other forums are what springs to run LOL. You come onto the RX7Club, and there's a 20+ page discussion about the physics behind detonation and the infamous anti-det device; the aerodynamics of sideskirts, MAF vs. speed sensors, alcohol/water injection, etc etc. Some great threads, with tons of info. Those were the classic days...the golden days IMO. And to see an environment that doesn't encourage such knowledgeable and well-verse veterans to even chime in or post anymore...well to me it sets off a huge alarm saying something is def outta whack.

~Ramy

quicksilver_rx7

Ramy, I agree 100%. The biggest reason I got involved with RX-7s' was because of the technical side and how different they were and still are from just about any other car. I've only been on here for about a year, but I've been around theses cars for a long time and I know where to go and how to find the information that I need. I still read Rob Robinette's site, Crispy's site, and some other ones every so often. It's amazing how you can read something once, go back and read it some time later and get a whole new perspective on the particular subject.

The funny thing is, I never really needed much of a hand trying to find information. Google will point you in the right direction on a lot of subjects. There is a lot of BS out there as well, but after weeks of reading, you start to learn who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. You should see my favorites. I've got so many bookmarks related to the RX-7, it ain't even funny.

Joe

Improved FD

everyone is movin on up to the C6 Z06 and leavng the little rotary shitbox in the past

saw a black one crusing down the highway last night about 1 AM...can you say BADASS??

positively sinister looking....that thing owns the road

Doc-1

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Keep in mind it is our job to bust their ***. It is important that a new comers knows his posts will be read and if their homework is not done well it is your job to tell them in loud and uncertain terms that they must do their homework and our job is to help.... not change their diapers. yea yea I know this forum is known as a group of hard asses but I am involved because there is a wealth on information and a group of people who REALLY care. I gage a person’s involvement by how much they care. An indication of this....is just this type of posts. Gentlemen keep up the good work. I for one have a great deal of respect for you all. Job well done!!!!!!!!!

By the way in my engine rebuild (lasted 6 months) I used this wealth of information. I can not say I did not make a few mistakes but I can say that many were avoided because of your help and concern. To help you gage just how you all have done. It was me telling the MAZDA dealer what and how to fix a poor FD that sat at the dealer of 8 weeks. Go figure I learned it here that the boost hoses crack and you lose the pressure ONLY after they get warm. Poor guy got new turbo’s and he still had the problem.

seven samurai

Well I will honestly say I'm a newb. haven't been really shot down I do own the work shop book read it and reference it and also run searches. but when it is in a field you know nothing about when you pull up a search and look for your answer you find yourself pulling up another search to explain the original search.

Plus times change newer stuff comes out we have no idea if the original answer is current. If you get too specific your search comes short if you are too general you are reading through 20+ threads with 20+ pages with 10 post a page.

I like the real time enviorment with real time answers and I can also say "still don't get it please explain or show pics." and I like to thank the people who take the time to help.

terms have been classified that we don't know. for the longest time I was asking for an Air check valve and I purchased to ACV's by accident. I had to take a picture and circle what I needed before I got the right item. ( if anyone needs an ACV PM me)

If you are tired of reading same questions why enter the thread with best exhaust or something of that nature?

knowledge is power and with power comes burden. What you do with the knowledge and burden is up to you. No one is asking you to be a hero but if you decide to be that (or open the thread) it is of your own decision (unless you are asked directly) don't complain about a decision you make.

It's not easy having to ask a question you think you are going to get flamed for but you do which should show how really desperate you are. Guys Like Dale, Max, Geese, Ryn have helped me out and their knowledge makes me feel so inferior anyway but I put up with the flamings cause if one person helps or gives me something or an explanation I understand it's worth it and it will be knowledge I will gladly pass along.

FDNewbie

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Joe, you mean you have non-RX-7 things bookmarked?! hehe

Excuse me? Plz leave the garbage comments out. Besides, I think Albert said it best...To avoid a FD vs Z06 debate, I'll leave it at that...but know that there is NO car I'd take over the FD, period. Maybe you should talk to jramosrx7...who put his 911 GT3 and SL55 AMG up for sale, to come back to the FD...

Oh and on that note, Albert, if I may say, you're exactly the type of "noob" that the forum was full of back in the day. Ppl who had a lot of experience, but just not FD-specific. These individuals have always had a great and vast wealth of information to contribute to the forum...and were ALWAYS warmly welcomed. But unfortunately nowadays we're dealing w/ ppl who are getting FD's at 16, as their first car, and are struggling w/ changing their oil...

Haha...I know EXACTLY what you mean. Been there, done that. And I gotta say, I'm GREATLY indebted to MANY of the veterans on this forum, who've spent hours upon hours explaning to me various huge gigantic concepts that I was missing b/c automotives as a field was something completely new to me

Been there too...which is why I have no prob answering even the most basic of questions like "where is my map sensor" or "what's an UIM" or "where do I plug my boost gauge into" etc, and don't think twice about snapping a quick pic here and there to help out. But sometimes it gets tiring, esp. when ppl are trying to do things to be "cool," and have no friggin idea what it does or what effect it'll have. And you try and explain, but you get nowhere FAST. Oh well.

Absolutely. My one request is, plz PLZ guys...show your appreciation to these great guys who take the time out to help us noobs get up to speed. Cuz really, these guys are sooo underappreciated, it's not even funny. Sometimes they spend hours, going back and forth PMing someone, explaining everything, and don't even get as much as a "thank you" in return. That's absolutely unacceptable.

I few months ago, I was conversing with one of the bigtime veterans on the forum...and it's my habit to thank them, and I wanted to make sure he felt how appreciative I was. So I thanked him several times over, and expressed my great gratitude. He never replied w/ "your welcome" or anything like that. So I asked him..."Hey XXXXX, you're not very good at taking compliments, are you?" And you know what he replied with? "I guess not...we're not used to compliments or gratitude here on this forum..." or something to that effect. That was really sad to hear. Really...when honestly, there are some ppl who CARRY this forum on their shoulders within their respective field of expertise.

And not to digress, but that's anothing problem w/ the age of the noobs. These kids (that's what they are... 16 and 17 etc) have no decency, respect, or common courtesy (for the most part...I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions...). But seriously...these guys should learn some forum etiquette...I'm sure that'll go a long way with making the veterans a bit more welcoming and interested in dealing w/ these noobs. Who knows...maybe this newfound forum etiquette they learn may rub off on 'em in the real world too...

~Ramy

twinturborx7pete

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I think maybe RX7club should look at sites like Honda-tech in a way that they have set up for new members. New members cannot post but can search. They are allowed to post in a new member forum and then a moderator can select them to move into full membership.

I'm not against the quest for information but it does get a little tired around here when the same question is asked when a search reveals so much information. I haven't been around this site because well has been kinda slow. I'd like to see it get busy again.

chinaman

Bro, you took the words right out of my mouth!!

mibad

Nope, haven't been here that long.

chinaman

You know...After reading some of you guy's comments and then going back to the newbie posts...I think a section for the newbies to ask all their questions will be a good idea. It would be good for them to know how to read and understand what they are reading also 'cause I've seen countless posts in the wrong section of the forum.

quicksilver_rx7

Easy now, that's hittin below the belt.



Joe

Herblenny

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Its interesting to see some of the comments.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, we need to also think about the veterans who's been on the forums for several years. I understand that newbs need to ask questions and that no one can stop them from asking whatever they have to ask. I'm just suggesting for those vets who don't want their post to be buried under numberous similar questions thats asked over and over.

Also immature newbs making irrelevant post that gets the topic completely out of topic! like this comment on this thread.


I hope some of you understand where I'm coming from.. Like others have said, we all need to be happy being on here.. Newbs, Vets, Mods, whoever... If no restriction of some kind do not exist, it will only lead to choas. I think extreme restriction will make some of you unhappy.. Good balance such as letting everyone read whatever conversation thats being carried out should be sufficient. And those who could post should be select representation of the forum.

If you really think about this, this is what we do in our government. We have selected represenatives that converse with other represenatives to decide how things should be run in this country. If every citizen in this country voice their opinion on every legislation being passed, it will only cause choas.

Ultimately, I can't change anything.. Hope some of you could see why I started this thread and hope some change could occure. If not, I just have to deal with it and move on..

scotty305

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Here's my perspective. This is a club, like many others: there is a common interest assumed, and it is free to join. However, there is one difference: I don't know of any club, team or organization that allows new members to dictate how things are run. I'm not saying that novices need to be crushed or silenced, but I'm saying that, out of respect, the club should cater to the 'core members.'

What is a 'core member'? They might be new or old, they might have owned fifty RX-7s, or this might be their first one. But they will have one thing in common: dedication and smarts. You all know what I'm talking about: sometimes there are new members who obviously know their stuff, and sometimes there are old members who still don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I don't like the idea of creating some new forum where 'core members' have to go and hide from dumb questions. Club4AG, the AE86 Toyota forum, has a 'Beginners Talk' section, which works pretty well. It's a friendly place where people can ask very basic questions immediately without the fear of getting flamed or insulted. It turns out that there are plenty of helpful people out there, so questions are always answered quickly. On Club4AG, if someone asks a 'noob question' in the regular forums, it gets politely moved to the beginner's forum, so the technical sections aren't cluttered by repeated novice questions. They do not restrict membership or access in any way. Check it out:
http://forums.club4ag.com/default.asp



My second suggestion is even easier: I'd still like to see the FAQ's improved upon. Our FAQ is a great source of info, but there is still more that can be done to make it more effective.

1. The question & answer section that rynberg wrote belongs on the top of the page, and the old post by Johnny should be removed.
2. The title should be changed to "3rd Gen FAQ: READ BEFORE POSTING," and it should be moved to the top of the sticky threads.
3. I'd also like the FAQ thread to be a bit more dynamic: I think anyone should be able to post a reply with new links, and the mods can periodically delete the new posts after the new info is added to the FAQ, to keep things as uncluttered as possible.


For example, here is an old FAQ that I helped set up over 3 years ago, still being used and updated over at http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=758609


-s-

Improved FD

easy there, pops....don't take your bad self or this thread too seriously, I was just poking a little fun...I love FDs or I wouldn't have owned one for 7+ years now

post counts don't mean much, chances are excellent I've been on this forum longer than you, starting in 2000

rynberg

Wow, I take a day off the forum and this thread happens....Jeez.

Newbie only forums won't work.

I know some of you older guys know my thoughts on this whole matter and I've been moderating accordingly. Yes, age and maturity of owners are dropping and that is part of the problem.

In any case, I don't think major wholesale changes are necessary, just more effective moderation. Dgeesaman and myself are doing our best and will continue to improve over time.

Herblenny

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My appologies... Obviously, I didn't know you are a long time owner of 7 and your comment earlier just seemed out of context and didn't know it was joke.

But also understand that this is the kind of behavior I've seen by most younger/newer owners on this forum.

Like other threads complaining about the forum, its never going to change.. So, best thing will be, I just need to deal with it and move on. But its good to see that people are reading and some do care about the forum.

LOL! My bad Rynberg! I was getting bit frustrated..

HDP

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Has anyone suggested a personal ignore button for threads, just like the ignore button for members? If you see a topic that you feel is a waste of time, elect to add it to your ignore list and you won't have to see it. Rynberg, could this be done? I think this would solve a lot of issues for both sides. Please inquire about this.

bajaman

^ lol....yeah, but this **** is kind of like an addiction. You tell yourself, "Okay, **** that....don't say anything in return. I'm cool.....that guy is ******* WRONG and he's just an *******. Really....why should I give a **** what this *** thinks....? Awwwwwwwww DAMMIT! I can't NOT say something! Take THIS, asswipe!" and you go to town on your keyboard!

HDP

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Hmmm, sounds more like anger management issues.

dgeesaman

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Go to a user's profile page, and in the middle of the grey bar under their name there is an option "Add HDP to your ignore list". The user's post will still appear, but the avatar, signature, and message body will not appear until you click on a button.

I agree it would be nice to have a thread ignore option so that topic won't even appear in the forum list.

Dave

dgeesaman

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I've done this countless times. Not so much here, but on usenet. I save the message and don't send it for a few hours. Usually I delete it instead of sending it. I feel better, but the hate stops. The ones that get sent are the situations where someone is seriously out of line.

FDNewbie

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That sounds VERY sensible... no restrictions, but still getting the job done. What do you guys think?

A day off? What were you thinking?!?!

Rynberg, don't take this as criticism of what Dgeesaman and yourself are (or aren't) doing. The newbie count is growing exponentially, and there's only so much you can do...plus I'm sure it's easy for us to complain about one single aspect in the 3rd gen section, while you guys see ALL the various issues in it that must be dealt w/ with much more clarity. So again, no one's being critical of your performance as a mod. Just considering/suggessting a more hands-on approach to dealing w/ the noob threads such as the Beginner's Talk section. That way you can focus more on the other more pressing matters in the section

~Ramy

rynberg

Oh, no problem Phil.....I have been wanting to post a rant for some time now but felt it inappropriate to do so....so thanks!

I don't think this can be done with the current software....we can PM Ryan about it.

The problem I see with a Beginner's forum is that few experienced people will want to go in there....so it will just become a situation of the blind leading the blind....or maybe I just don't have enough faith in our senior members...:p

I have to admit the idea has a lot of appeal though and would solve several problems....

Oh not at all. I think the 3rd gen section has cleaned up quite a bit from last year and am happy with that. Poor Mahjik couldn't keep up just by himself. Now that there are two active mods, we can clean things up more.

Narfle

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What if the listing of the current posts was lengthened and assorted by thread starter post count. That way FD DG and ryner hit the top of the list every time. Post ***** police. Just a thought. I like the forum.

HDP

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Faith has nothing to do with it when you know them o-so-well.