Carloswill

People tend to forget that this is a information resource and think of it as their online hangout (which is fine). Don't get me wrong. The search feature is there and many are guily of not using it but sometimes a question that has been asked many times over has specific parameters that are unique to the individual (not noob) that is asking the question.

All in all - this is a community that is here to help everyone so yes, you will see the same question from time to time be a cool guy and point them to the search link and answer their questions - can't hurt and you increase your post count which chicks love and will get you laid!

FDNewbie

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Understood, but to assert that the TONS of forums out there w/ a newbie/intro section are simply unfriendly...that's kinda off, don'tcha think Dave? I mean c'mon now...we DON'T have a noob section, and we're "known" across the forum world as prob THE harshest forum lol. Lets not kid ourselves LOL. Although, I must say, everything's gotten softer since Jim stopped posting

Of course. I'm not talkin about going extreme. Just a few measures... not total lockdown.

Hasn't been working. There are tons more noobs and thus threads than there is patience in the senior forum members

I'm liking the sound of that. Kinda like Phil's idea. Basically just to separate things out a bit.

Man oh man...I have been waiting for that day LOL. Not busting your chops Dave (or Tyler etc) but when I see a thread about wheels, or body stuff, or speakers or seats etc...I'm just soooo tempted to just MOVE that thread. I think that's a very simple thing that will help unclutter a great deal. Enforce ppl posting their threads in the appropriate section. This may be getting carried away, but this MAY necessitate making subforums of the interior/exterior/audio section for each generation... just maybe.

Doc, I'm w/ you 100%. But you're overlooking one major fact. If I show up, and didn't read my manual/guide, and started asking questions that I SHOULD know the answer to, you can bet yourself that I'd be receiving dirty looks right and left, and soon enough ppl would regard me as lazy and simply not answer my questions. You gotta do your part, THEN ask if you still can't find the answer. So hey, I'm ALL for keeping the interaction between youngn's and the veterans, but if the youngn's ain't doin their homework, something's gotta be done about it...

[QUOTE=hanmanAnd, what critieria do you have to meet to not be a newb? For example, if Paul Yaw, Rob Golden, or Ari Yallon, or someone liked that joined the forum and had no posts, are they a newb? Would you restrict them to not posting in a tech site that was only for "knowledgeable" people who had a bazillion posts in the lounge? I have very few posts, simply for the same reasons every one in this thread has been talking about. I found my answers without having to post! I have been on this board for many years, but less than a thousand posts. Does that make me a newb?[/QUOTE]Paul who?! That's a rare and simple case that's easily dealt w/. Most of the shop owners and engine builders post very little on the forum, but they're well-known. Mods could simply move them from restricted access to full access. And again, those are the minority by FAR. In the real world, you don't build a framework, system, rules, or guidelines based on the minority; you build it based on the majority, and include measures to deal w/ the minority as those cases arise.

Honestly, you haven't been here long enough. You simply don't understand HOW often the same question gets asked during THE SAME WEEK. Multiply that by 52 weeks, and it'll get to ya VERY quickly when you've seen the same BOV question 257some times over the past few months... It's one thing to say "let it slide..." and it's another to have the perspective of having dealt w/ it for years.

~Ramy

Improved FD

another novel from Ramy, ha

actually, I've always thought of the single turbo forum as the "senior forum", not near as many idiots there...let's face it, if you are still driving this car with twins you are probably a noob I do it, and I'm kicking myself for not going single instead of BNRs

BobfisH

Jeez guys.... the words horse, dead, and flogging come to mind.

Sorry you get pissed off with Noobs, but they exist, and will always exist.. All this talk of serparate forums, no posting permissions bla bla equates to reducing benefits. The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer (i.e the noobs get stupider, and we get more pissed off for the stupid questions)

FJDRX7

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make a freq ask question section in the forum, and only a few people can post there

BobfisH

FJDRX7 lol there is an FAQ at the top of the third gen section.

FDNewbie

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Would you expect anything different?

Yep...ppl like Rynberg, dgeesaman, and Mahjik who stuck w/ twins are obviously HUGE noobs... In fact, I'd argue that those who stuck w/ twins, throughout all the problems and troubleshooting, and managed to get 'em working right...THOSE are the true veterans.

~Ramy

Cgotto6

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I agree with a lot of what people have already said. I think it would be nice to have a invitation only sub forum. Let everybody see it, and I think it would even be fine if everybody could post in it. But only a select few can start threads in that section. This way, you have good starting topics, but they the general public can feel free to bring up points the senior members might be over looking.

I dont think it would be smart to make the prerequisite a post count ordeal. I remember seeing a member who had only been a member for a few months that has more posts than I have. The difference is that I have been comming here for a few years. Some people just post ***** and try to get their count up by any means possible. This is why I feel an invitation only section would be the way to go.

Cgotto6

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I was about to say the same thing. I feel that a large portion of the people who have gone single are only running from the stock twins because they couldnt figure them out.

TurboTagTeam

I like the idea of the vet forum. Sometimes it's hard to find the correct information in here. You have people who don't know what there talking about giving bad info. It would be nice to have a place to go were you know EVERYONE knows what they are talking about.

And this forum doesnt get nasty. Have you guys ever been on Honda-Tech? That **** gets nasty.

dgeesaman

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Regarding the newbie-friendly setup...

I didn't say such a thing wasn't possible, but it must be considered. As a moderator, I only have access to managing threads. Creating subforums, etc is done at the administrator level or higher.

I'll talk to Tyler about it. If we make it known that this will be handled differently, people will pay more attention to those forums. I don't think it's necessary to make subforums if people take a moment to mention their generation in the subject lines.

Dave

FDNewbie

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I like that idea!

coolvette

I feel sorry for new members on this forum.They get blasted for not using the search button.Some of you on this forum remind me of some off my old college professors,they know the material inside out but it seems to cause them pain to repeat the process with new students.I have been a member here for almost 6 years(forever22@msn.com) and now coolvette.fds are admired by the younger gen and it would not hurt anyone here to welcome them without a SEARCH NEWB remark!

Kento

A better analogy would be if your old college professors (not justifying their jaded attitude-- it's their job to educate...) just gave a lecture on the advantages and pitfalls of staying twins or going single. On the blackboard at the front of the classroom, the subject of each lecture is listed, with recordings of each lecture for those who might've missed them. Two days later, a student comes up to the professor and asks whether he should go single or stick with the twins. The professor points the student to the previous lecture/recording list, but the student (and some others) feels that the professor should redo the entire lecture once again. He (and the others) also objects to having to go through the entire recording to get the info he wants-- even if the info is in the first 5 minutes of the recording. Then he wants to show everyone his new 20" blings, so he starts jumping up and down, passing out photos to everyone in the lecture hall while the present lecture is going on.

I see many older members-- in addition to telling a newb to use the search feature-- also answering the newb questions with thread links. If asking a person to use a little initiative and learn a bit on their own is too much for them, then it's too easy for those older members to get frustrated with that lack of initiative. It's also too easy for those newbs to get led astray with yet another thread on a common subject with responses from those who give misleading info-- instead of reading the FAQ where they'll get the correct info the first time.

Having a "veteran's" forum has been tried already with the 3rd gen tech section, and apparently it didn't work. As has been mentioned, those forums usually aren't as active, so interest in them fades for some.

Perhaps we should take it upon ourselves to bump those threads that have some technical benefit? There is no easy answer to the forum clogging problem, and I don't profess to have that answer either.

audiobot7

yea, Im tired of seeing the "anyone else sick of seeing the same Sh*t over and over??? thread. Mods please delete.

axr6

So, now, hear from a "newbee"

My post numbers dwarf compared to the senior members. My knowledge of the FD does as well. Yet, I feel that I have some qualifiations to express my opinions in this arguement.

I was one of the first to own and race an FD and establish an awsome reputation for this car. One of the first to even begin to mod this car and learn the hard way the effects for additions, like DP and MP with the stock ECU. One of the first to heavily crash my FD while going ***** out, trading fast laps with an ex-Trans AM Pro driver, driving his fully crewed race Corvette. We blew all other street cars into the California dust, clearly establishing the local reputation of the FD as the car to beat on any road race situation.

Was among the first to realize that racing street cars, FDs were foolish, unless one had unlimited bank account just to go slower laps than a cheap, beat up fully prepeed race car. If you race, race hard. If you race hard, you WILL crash sooner or later. Fixing a heavily damaged street car is not only expensive by pscyhologically devastating as the car will never be the same.

So, only after a couple of years of ownership of the FD I switched to race cars ranging from NASA Pro 7, SCCA GT2 and GT3, as well as Formula Mazda classes. There I had accumulated huge years of experience working on my race cars, countess wins, points championships and even the coveted West Coast Road Racing Champ title. All this time faithful to the rotary spirit.

I have now retired from racing and, tried to fool myslef, from fast cars, period. It was enough to hang my neck out over the edge for so many years.. I felt lucky to get away from all those years of racing and heavy crashes without lasting injuries. (So now, here is sit with a broken neck and spine as the result of a incredibly violent head-to-tree contact coming from a trick induced high impact crash on the slopes. I had never come so close to dying on the race track as I had just days ago and, i am still not out of the wood with a main blood artery destryoed 2" from my brain)

Well, that thinking had taken me just a bit over the past year. Modified passenger cars that I own were just missing something.... I wished for the spirit of the beast, the types of cars that I always prefered, be that a race car or a street car.

I had the good fortune to own many fast cars, including built Mustang, Jaguars, and two Lamborghinis. Yet, when I gave way to my latest desires there was no other choice considered in my mind than the FD. It is the most classical looking, purest of all speed machines that I had the pleasure of owning. Oh, yes, one large factor in the decision to get my second one was its modifyability. How one can turn one from an exceptionally fast, good handling street car into a raging power maniac with handling that would defy the senses. Yes, my fist modded FD would eat both of my V-12 and V-8 Lamborghinis for lunch on a track and would not even break sweat.

Way back, I was not a member of any clubs, most mods and experimentations were simply done by word of mouth. Unexpected consequences were always around the corner and plentyful.

Now, as I have my "new" 93 FD, I discovered this forum. I've been participating in many different forums of various contents, techical or other hobby related ones. I have found this one to be a gold standard for the information that is available not only from the archieves but, from the senior members. After so many years of not owning an FD I need to re-learn what I knew and learn the tons that I had never known. I do my best to search and if any admin have the records they could see the hours that I had spend in the archieves since I joined.

Still, I have posted a good number of posts, many questions and do my best to contribute to this forum with advice to other newbees, when the chance arises.

I think, it would be a great mistake to break this forum from its present makeup. I agree that the bickering should be discouraged, together with mindless hatred of things, like E-Bay products. There are great deals there to be made and low quality junk to be found, as well. Educating the newbee, instead of ridicule him for his questions and choices is not the way to go.

I hope the the seniors can and will stick around to keep this forum so great. They do not have to answer each and every repetitive newbee posts, as some of the newer members with our intermediate knowledge are quite willing to step in and do our share. But, we sure need you old timers for when there is a real tough technical problem, for there is no better place for us to go that to your experience.

You guys wiht your thousands of posts are probably still here because you still love your beasts, and love to talk and learn more about it. I believe that by leaving you'd become a looser, as well as the rest of the forum community.

A veteran newbee

Albert

FDNewbie

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I really think that's playing a major role in the problem...not just on the forum, but in wrecking and destorying the last few FD's left...

quicksilver_rx7

There's no replacement for experience and maturity. And the average age of newer RX-7 owners lack both. However, this IS a forum, and while it can sometimes mirror a classroom, in reality it is not one. While there is some instruction going on here, there is no qualifications to be here or ask questions.

Some of the members here do have a bad attitude. (if that statement upset you, you're probably in that bucket). And sometimes it's justified, but more often than not, it is not. And if a bunch of lame threads upset you, then you have problems that extend way beyond this forum or the internet.

There are a lot of different measure that can be taken to "clean up" this forum, but I don't think restriction is one. One the other hand, if someone is posting redundant posts or starting redundant threads, just delete it (mods) and send the member a PM as to why and point them in the right direction. If it's out of place, move it. If it's bad information, delete it. And if someone engages in a flame war, delete it and diable them for a period of time. If you "veteran members" don't like the newb questions, don't respond. Let a moderator know and allow them to do their job. If there is too much work for the current moderators, allow some extras.

As far as the "For Sale" section: If something looks suspicious, PM the person selling and let them know that the thread will be deleted if some type of ownership is not provided for the car or the parts.

Finally, more times than not, if you don't feed into something it will eventually dissolve; like this thread, if everyone would quit posting in it.

Joe

Improved FD

um....we need more "newbs" around here like you, Mr. Albert! great post! sorry to hear about your horrific skiing accident, hope you make a strong recovery

jic

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thats a good one

tom tim

You want so cheese with that!

Buzzardsluck

I bought my FD because of the wealth of knowledge available on this forum. Without this forum(and its members)I would of bought another car to learn automotive things. I knew nothing about cars before buying my 8 and then my 7 (I know a little more now though).

My point is whatever keeps knowledgable people around Im all for it.

I'd like to think that I'm a noob that uses the search function. IMO, you should get flamed for not searching first before starting a new thread about basic things. In the last couple weeks I've been able to answer (correctly lol) a few threads. How did I, a idiot with cars, know the answer? Searching and finding my own answers, you can learn so much more beyond your original question by searching.

I think a newb subsection and tigher modding of the forum would help. It also seems that maybe a third mod would help in the 3rd gen section to move threads to their correct places. Ok, no more drunken posting for me tonite.

Sgtblue

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Some small acts of kindness aren't forgotten Kento. You probably don't remember 3+ years ago being polite to a newb (who had no clue) regarding the synthetic oil question, and then sending him a PM with even more links and info.
Whenever I get frustrated with the latest "what's a good sounding blow-off valve" or "why shouldn't I just bolt on this mid-pipe" question, I sure remember.
Maybe how patient you are depends on whether you were dealt with by guys like Kento, or guys like JimLab.

No easy answers here. Maybe we should just make newbs read this one thread?

Improved FD

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