rynberg

I completely disagree. When you buy a Pettit ecu, for example, you have NO idea how the ignition timing or fuel maps have been changed. For that matter, the same goes for the PFC.

More technical-minded people understand how the PFC works and can adjust the car from there (or get it tuned). However, I would lay a $20 down that the typical forum member who owns a PFC has no idea how it works. Before you disagree with that statement, go through the PFC and 3rd gen sections. You'll see a LARGE number of PFC owners that have absolutely no clue how an ecu-controlled fuel injection system works.

The reason most people buy an aftermarket ecu is because they read on the forum that they should. I don't see the anti-detonation device being much different.

rynberg

Completely understandable. I want to know how the damn thing works myself. But I also realize KD Rotary's position in this, unlike, it seems, most of the other forum members.

TWIFOSP

You know one thing I don't understand is why they don't have any patents pending. They could avoid all these problems with some legal patents.

If it is something that they can't patent, they are going to get screwed anwyay...

BATMAN

That was a given since it appears to be the theme of trying to flush out KDR to the spot light.

I spoke with Skip and (without going into details on what it does) basically raises the ceiling of performance without detonating.

I can't speak for the dyno sheets that some of u don't feel show's a significant HP increase since most of us, inicluding me do not know the car and if it was agressively tuned or what not.........

mmaragos

The fact is, you can find out exactly how an ECU works before you buy it. Doesn't matter that most people don't understand how it works.

Sounds like more people are getting turned off by the dyno and the lack of detail. Me too.

BATMAN

Well, I think the patent may be pending.

The only issue is that even if it's not patentable product they want to maximize recovering R&D costs and make a little $$$ in their pocket before someone copies their hard work.

TWIFOSP

It isn't patent pending. A quick patent search of KDR's location, owner, or KDR shows that they have no patents, or patents pending.

If it was, patent's that are pending are protected by most of the same legal rights a full patent.

BATMAN

true, however, an ECU like the PFC is more complicated and time consumming to develop and copy than something like M2's intake box (which has been ripped off by others).

Skip's Anti-Kaboom device falls somewhere inbetween the 2 for rip-off-ease-of-copy

i talked to a few people that are supposedly turned off on AIM that have posted and most of them post suchs statements to rattle the bushes to see if more info will come out.

BTW, just outta curiousity, who is willing to sign a NDA and non-compete to get a little more info on this product?

johnchabin

iTrader: (2)

Thanks. That's what I'm (apparently unsuccessfully) trying to say.

When you buy an ECU, you know you are getting an ECU. When you buy this, you don't know what you are getting for your money. I'd find the purchase easier to make if I knew what it was.

And I mean that in the most non-whining way possible.

BATMAN

Did u do a search for Skip?

Afterall, he might be the sole owner for that and not Dave.



Sure they will have most of the legal rights and protection in pending state.

But it costs $$$$ to go after a copy cat.

I don't that KDR nor anyone would want to go that route if they can avoid it from a practical and cost perspective.

matty

i dont care what it does or how its does it. What do i gain by knowing? I just wanna know if i could make more power!!!!!!!!!!

BATMAN

u will by being able to lean out ur AF ratios without KABOOM.

Using it alone without the proper tuning will probably not do much.

matty

well i dont know why i feel this way....maybe its the business i work in but i dont give two ***** about the technical BS. I care about the bottom line my friends. If it makes my dyno graph higher i got what i paid for.

Of course from what i have read, the device's puirpose is to make your car more reliabile and more power is a by-product! but whatever the case "TO ME" if it makes more power thats all i need to know.

mmaragos

Doesn't matter to me, I'm not trying to copy it or make it cheap (DIY), I'd sign it. I would expect some significant guarantees in return, plus the knowledge to "tune" the device for different modifications, etc.

SPOautos

If I decided to get on I'd also sign paperwork. The reason I'd want to understand FULLY how the device works is so I can tune my car around it. You cant have a high performance machine that you manage yourself and not know the ins and out of something that can affect your fuel delivery. You have to understand how it works to manage it.

STEPHEN

johnchabin

iTrader: (2)

I'd sign, too. I'm not interested in ripping someone off. Just more reliable power.

DCrosby

I'd be happy with a mechanic on the west coast telling me he has XX units installed, they work great, and he'll do mine for $$ XX and here are the things I need to worry about when I go to get it Dyno'd....

I know enough about My Engine, and ECU, so in theory I can explain it to you, but once you take the screws/bolts off, I have no clear understanding what every last sensor wire, and Junction box does... I think that holds true for 95% of the population and 90% of the people here... They don't know anything all the way to knowing in theory how combustion works, but would never pull an engine just to see what sensor X does...

-DC

rynberg

Be patient....

Kento

I'd be happy with one in the SoCal area, so that I don't have to drive up to the SF/SJ vicinity to get it installed (if I decide to get one)...

Fumanchu

By the time it comes to So Cal, I won't need it anymore unless I can use it on my LS1

BATMAN

Well keep in mind that a well written NDA will mean that ur responsible for not letting ur family, GF, friends, mechanic or anyone else from seeing it.

The most likely California installer that is trusted will be in Northern CA.

Near the BATCENTRAL R&D facility

LT1RX7

Batman
Not to start an off topic but you are so full of it. You have the stereotypical Cali mentality. YOu keep coming out her espewing stuff trying to be the man.

Bottom line is you are riding KDR's coat tails. You seem to be one of the people that "wants to get rich" off of KDR's R&D. So if you are never gonna say what this thing is all about then why do you continually talk about it??

Batman?? You call you car the Batmobile too dont you. Dork!! HAHA

Kento

uh..."the stereotypical Cali mentality"?

I'm sure some members of a certain drug cartel may be offended...

BATMAN

DaedelGT

I believe Batman

No, seriously, I do.