anti-detonation device revealed
04-25-05, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
True. But look at all the braces that have hit the market recently. Braces for your engine, braces for your transmission, braces for your differential... when all it'd take is a new pair of engine mounts or differential bushings to solve the actual problem. Why fix the actual problem when you can take the latest sugar pill and just forget about it? 
I still dont understand how you can say braces dont fix the problem? Hmm this argument is about as valid as saying, why plug a hole in your tire in your daily driver for 15 - 20 dollars when you should fix the real problem and spend another 100-150 dollars on a new tire.
My engine torque brace doesnt allow my engine to move more then a damn centimeter. Im sure your motor mounts can knock that down to a millimeter, right?
whatever.
04-25-05, 06:06 PM
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LOL! You have all lost your mind if you're going to argue about the name of the device. I undestand the annoyance factor, but really.......who cares what it's called?
It's really obvious that this type of thing is something that you either subscribe to, or don't. I'm sorry, but the people saying that the people that have these things, or believe in them don't know any better are a little out of line.
Noone here would say that either Dave or Skip don't know what they're talking about. These guys, if they chose, could come on here and get into this little pissing contest, and make a good enough case to at least quiet the skeptics. They choose not to, and I don't blame them.
I am not saying anyone here doesn't know what their talking about. Hell no. The people that are doubting this thing know far more than I, and I learn from their posts constantly. But, I will not get into the "sugar pill" argument. It's a waste of time. The bottom line is that everyone is speculating why this motor blew. As easily as Glassman or Jimlab could make us believe that it was detonation, a talk with Dave or Skip could just as easily do the same.
This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. The motor wasn't made to make that torque. I hear tales of people's motors actually melting somewhat.
This while thing will most likely never be proven. I said it once, and i'll say it again. The only way this thing will bring the people that don't believe in it over to the "I almost believe" side(because they never fully will, and I understand that, i'm a stubborn bastard as well
), will be if someone puts a motor on a dyno, and invites pinging. From what I hear, with this thing, you can get away with some detonation.
Until then, I don't believe there will be any meeting in the middle on this one.
Except for the fact that this guy blew his motor in 5,000 miles makes us all cringe.
It's really obvious that this type of thing is something that you either subscribe to, or don't. I'm sorry, but the people saying that the people that have these things, or believe in them don't know any better are a little out of line.
Noone here would say that either Dave or Skip don't know what they're talking about. These guys, if they chose, could come on here and get into this little pissing contest, and make a good enough case to at least quiet the skeptics. They choose not to, and I don't blame them.
I am not saying anyone here doesn't know what their talking about. Hell no. The people that are doubting this thing know far more than I, and I learn from their posts constantly. But, I will not get into the "sugar pill" argument. It's a waste of time. The bottom line is that everyone is speculating why this motor blew. As easily as Glassman or Jimlab could make us believe that it was detonation, a talk with Dave or Skip could just as easily do the same.
This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. The motor wasn't made to make that torque. I hear tales of people's motors actually melting somewhat.
This while thing will most likely never be proven. I said it once, and i'll say it again. The only way this thing will bring the people that don't believe in it over to the "I almost believe" side(because they never fully will, and I understand that, i'm a stubborn bastard as well
), will be if someone puts a motor on a dyno, and invites pinging. From what I hear, with this thing, you can get away with some detonation.Until then, I don't believe there will be any meeting in the middle on this one.
Except for the fact that this guy blew his motor in 5,000 miles makes us all cringe.
04-25-05, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcarfreak
Because nothing is full proof
Maybe thats what this anti detonation device is doing. slowing the rate at which these motors break.
Also in response to your "cut your detonation chance by 25%", Even if this is indeed all that it does. Dont you think it is still well worth it. I for one would like my motor lasting say 25% longer.
People need to stop hating!! lol
04-25-05, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fastcarfreak
I still dont understand how you can say braces dont fix the problem?
Hmm this argument is about as valid as saying, why plug a hole in your tire in your daily driver for 15 - 20 dollars when you should fix the real problem and spend another 100-150 dollars on a new tire.
04-25-05, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Calandrella
I'm sorry, but the people saying that the people that have these things, or believe in them don't know any better are a little out of line.
I am not saying anyone here doesn't know what their talking about.
The bottom line is that everyone is speculating why this motor blew.
As easily as Glassman or Jimlab could make us believe that it was detonation
This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown.
The motor wasn't made to make that torque. I hear tales of people's motors actually melting somewhat
From what I hear, with this thing, you can get away with some detonation.
04-25-05, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Calandrella
This thing should really be called The Antichrist device", because that really seems to be what it is.
It brings out the evil in all of us.
It brings out the evil in all of us.
Originally Posted by turbojeff
If you remove all the plugs you are guaranteed not to have detonation.
04-25-05, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Riiiight.
Sure you are... read the next sentence below.
No, they're not.
Make you believe it was detonation? Look at the ******* dent, for chrissakes. What kind of force do you think causes dents like that? Hot oil?
WTF??
Please...
I seriously doubt it.
Sure you are... read the next sentence below.
No, they're not.
Make you believe it was detonation? Look at the ******* dent, for chrissakes. What kind of force do you think causes dents like that? Hot oil?
WTF??
Please...
I seriously doubt it.
And the fact that you say you seriously doubt that you can get away with pinging tells everyone here that you don't know for sure. Noone, can prove anything for sure. That's all i'm saying.
And about the melting thing, i'm only relaying what i've heard from diffirent people.
I'm being nice, but if you're going to be a smartass, i'm done. You know far too much to need to be this smarmy.
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04-25-05, 10:23 PM
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You know jim, we can all use your method of detonation stopping for our rx7s. Not having it running in 6+ years works like a charm doesnt it. Its been a long time since you have blown a motor in the car!
04-25-05, 11:13 PM
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That my friend is detonation, period.
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"This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. "
Where on earth do you guys get this stuff?
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"This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. "
Where on earth do you guys get this stuff?
04-26-05, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by fastcarfreak
You know jim, we can all use your method of detonation stopping for our rx7s.
04-26-05, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
Well, there are certainly enough LT1 and LS1 engines around to take care of the remaining FDs on the road, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than disabling two of your spark plugs.
04-26-05, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
That my friend is detonation, period.
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"This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. "
Where on earth do you guys get this stuff?
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"This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. "
Where on earth do you guys get this stuff?
From the people that made this damn thing.
I'm a musician, but i'm not that creative.
04-26-05, 10:24 AM
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Well, maybe, but i'm not too sure about that. I really haven't seen anyone come up with any hardcore proof of that. Respected opinions have chimed in, but not disproven anything.
As I said before, Dave and Skip could say more than enough to quiet the skeptics if they wanted to. They make a very convincing and logical case. This is clearly one of these things that noone will meet in the middle on. It's an either you believe or not issue.
As I said before, Dave and Skip could say more than enough to quiet the skeptics if they wanted to. They make a very convincing and logical case. This is clearly one of these things that noone will meet in the middle on. It's an either you believe or not issue.
04-26-05, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Calandrella
Well, maybe, but i'm not too sure about that. I really haven't seen anyone come up with any hardcore proof of that. Respected opinions have chimed in, but not disproven anything.
As I said before, Dave and Skip could say more than enough to quiet the skeptics if they wanted to.
They make a very convincing and logical case.
This is clearly one of these things that noone will meet in the middle on. It's an either you believe or not issue.
04-26-05, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Calandrella
Well, maybe, but i'm not too sure about that. I really haven't seen anyone come up with any hardcore proof of that. Respected opinions have chimed in, but not disproven anything.
As I said before, Dave and Skip could say more than enough to quiet the skeptics if they wanted to. They make a very convincing and logical case. This is clearly one of these things that noone will meet in the middle on. It's an either you believe or not issue.
As I said before, Dave and Skip could say more than enough to quiet the skeptics if they wanted to. They make a very convincing and logical case. This is clearly one of these things that noone will meet in the middle on. It's an either you believe or not issue.
"This "device" does have a weakness. It makes more torque, thus creating more heat. It makes your oil cooling system a definitive weak link in a maybe normally fairly reliable car. You can't run high power with it. Any more than 350rwhp, and your asking for a system meltdown. "
So if it does make more torque, which I doubt, the cars system is taxed? If the car was making 230 tq and now it's 240 tq the system is being taxed? 350 rwhp and you get "meltdown"? There are plenty of 360 rwhp and 400 rwhp cars that make more torque than those with the anti det device why aren't they melting down???? (Whatever that is).
1) Tell me at what hp/tq does the cooling system become "the weak link"?
2) Why is different with the anti det vs no anti det at the same hp/tq levels?
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04-26-05, 12:33 PM
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Nice. The double team. Now this is productive. If you're going to shoot it down, at least fire a missiles and not barbs.
We all know that i'm not equipped to argue with you guys. I am merely quoting what has been quoted to me.
Mr. tt. your torque question is a good one. I actually called KD and left a message.
Jim, I think the device may be misnamed. You'll have to take up that fight with someone that is willing to spend the time with you, and is more knowledgeable about it than myself. I never said it stopped detonation. I said it moved the location of the detonation...........which is eactly how it's been described to me.
All through this, I have only repeated what was explained to me.
Please do not take your wrath to the messenger.
The white flag is raised. Someone else will have to be the lamb on this one.
We all know that i'm not equipped to argue with you guys. I am merely quoting what has been quoted to me.
Mr. tt. your torque question is a good one. I actually called KD and left a message.
Jim, I think the device may be misnamed. You'll have to take up that fight with someone that is willing to spend the time with you, and is more knowledgeable about it than myself. I never said it stopped detonation. I said it moved the location of the detonation...........which is eactly how it's been described to me.
All through this, I have only repeated what was explained to me.
Please do not take your wrath to the messenger.
The white flag is raised. Someone else will have to be the lamb on this one.
04-26-05, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr rx-7 tt
Bingo.
04-26-05, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim Calandrella
No need to get smart. I never claimed to know anything special. here. I never claimed to be an expert, just attemtped to put out a side of things that wasn't being put out, in an attempt to actually learn. If you want to be a *****, fine, don't do it at the expense of someone trying to learn.