Crazy_Jake

Have you guys seen that all-wheel-drive mid-engine-mount 20B FD that guy is building?! Me neither...GOTCHA! It'd be cool though wouldn't it. Take a drivetrain out of an Imprezza or Lancer, I think it could be done. Anything is possible with $$$.

RX7SpiritR

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t-von

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Actually if Mazda built something like that IMO it should be called the Rx9 and priced around 50k. However, I would keep it rear wheel drive to save weight. It would have single turbo Renesis style 3rotor making 500hp and weigh 2800lbs or less w/basic options(R1 style only). A car like that could be built to blow the doors off the more expensive exotics.

Oh you do realize this thread will probably be moved to the Lounge section?

MrZUMZUM

20B and all wheel drive?

I'm sportin wood.............

MazdaRx7Racer4Life

awd? Yuck. Everyone loves awd for some reason, yes its true, the launch is increidible, but don't forget that afterwards you STILL have to keep giving power to all 4 wheels as opposed to 2. When I had my FWD DSM, I would race AWD's all the time, they used to destroy me in the launch, then my car recovered once I got traction. In my opinion, the best traction is RWD, its got the traction tyo (with the propr tires) keep up with alot of AWD's and launch beatifully, and in the long run, op end, theres nothing to beat it.

blueskaterboy

awd is for offroad

SpoolinRX

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AWD Sux. Its for people that dont know how to drive/launch

villision

YA damn right....

Ty

MazdaRx7Racer4Life

Im glad you all agree with me, RWD is the way to go. Thats what all the formular/nascar racers are, rwd.

teamstealth

i agree with all of you, people who know how to drive RWD cars will always be faster than an AWD car. If it was that great of technology, you'd see F1 and LeMans cars running it. But the idea of a mid engine 3-rotor RX9 with a CF monocoque and an F1 style gearbox and suspension is very interesting.

MazdaRx7Racer4Life

Yes, I have to admit that does sound like a monster dream car, most of us rotorheads would choose it over alot of other supercars.

teamstealth

the biggest problem for us is Mazda knows the majority of us rotorheads cant afford a $90,000 mazda

MazdaRx7Racer4Life

thats true, but when one hits the junkyard, someone's bound to get their hands on it, then itll be the poor people's turns. Someday ill be able to afford it, when im a high balling lawyer, for now, I love my fd. Can't hurt to dream though, right stealth?

TireSmokin7

For all you guys that think AWD cars suck you should try taking a decent horse powered AWD through your favorite canyon. This is my wife’s car and she is no granny driver. This monster weighs about a thousand pounds more then my 93 R1 and I had to work the tires to keep up with her in the canyons when both cars were close to stock. When I first drove it I learned to appreciate it's qualities for driving hard through the corners. It just feels different having the car push the rear as it's pulling the front through a hard corner. It’s a very difficult car to drift. I personally prefer to drive a rear wheel drive car because I love to do burn outs and drift the car every now and then but AWDs do have their advantages in street driven applications.

Steve

blueskaterboy

i think only one person actually said awd sucks. everything has its advantages. fwd has its advantages, and so do civics.. i think it would be a lot of fun to drift through mud and snow and awd is very nice. but i do believe that people overestimate and overhype the ability of the almighty awd.

and i thought the point of the fd was to be lightweight, rwd, and 50/50?

kyle@insight

threads like this make my head hurt.

Kento

threads like this make me

CCarlisi

LOL I hope you're being sarcastic. The reason it is not used in formula 1 and nascar is because they are both stricktly regulated. NACAR can hardly be considered cutting edge. You know they're carborated right? Do you think they prefer that over Fuel injection? Maybe we should convert.

On tight tracks I'm pretty sure drivers from both leagues would love to have AWD. However, I think rwd is without question more fun than awd based on the AWD cars I have owned and driven.

CCarlisi

Here is a list of laptimes from best motoring for Tsububa. All the cars are stock. How many AWD cars do you see near the top? Note that the rx7 is 8th and also note that 4 of the 7 cars that beat it are awd. Finally bear in mind that all 4 of those AWD cars combined don't equal the price of even one of the 2wd cars that placed in the top 7.

1,03,73 Ferrari F40
1,04,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (6MT)
1,04,25 Porsche 911 GT2 Turbo CS (993 430cv)
1,04,49 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2003 6MT)
1,04,57 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R34)
1,04,62 McLaren F1
1,04,65 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V RS
1,04,88 Mazda RX-7 Type RS (MKIII 280cv)
1,04,93 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII RS
1,05,05 Honda NSX-R (MKII)
1,05,12 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA Spec C (New Age 2001 6MT)
1,05,15 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI RS
1,05,17 Honda NSX Type S-Zero (MKI)
1,05,23 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII GSR
1,05,38 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2003 6MT)
1,05,45 Mazda RX-7 Type R (MKIII 280cv)
1,05,89 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII RS (5MT)
1,05,61 Ferrari F355 Berlinetta
1,05,65 Porsche 911 Turbo (996 420cv)
1,05,66 Venturi Challenge 400
1,05,69 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR
1,05,72 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VI GSR Tommi Makinen Edition
1,05,83 Honda NSX Type S (MKII)
1,05,84 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Spec C (New Age 2001 6MT)
1,05,88 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R33)
1,05,93 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII GSR
1,05,97 Porsche 911 Turbo (993 408cv)
1,06,00 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34)
1,06,01 Honda NSX-R (MKI)
1,06,03 Caterham Super Seven HPC (1995 560kg 2.0l 188cv)
1,06,04 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
1,06,07 Honda NSX Type S (MKI)
1,06,28 Ferrari 360 Modena (400cv)
1,06,28 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R34)
1,06,36 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 265cv)
1,06,47 Mazda RX-7 Type RS Spirit R Typa-A (MKIII 280cv)
1,06,51 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA Version V (1999 280cv)
1,06,51 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version V (1999 280cv)
1,06,55 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst R (MKIII 280cv)
1,06,57 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version III (modificado)
1,06,81 Nissan Skyline GT-R M-Spec (R34)
1,06,85 Porsche 911 RSR (964)
1,07,09 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO V GSR
1,07,14 Porsche 911 RS (964)
1,07,15 Porsche 911 Carrera RS (993)
1,07,18 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S (993)
1,07,41 Caterham Super Seven 1700 Supersprint (135cv)
1,07,44 Mazda RX-7 RS (MKIII 265cv)
1,07,45 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)
1,07,49 Honda NSX (MKI)
1,07,66 Toyota Supra RZ
1,07,66 Lamborghini Diablo
1,07,68 Porsche 911 GT3 CS (996 360cv)
1,07,69 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Version VI (1999 280cv)
1,07,72 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti Type RA (New Age 2001)
1,07,74 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R33)
1,07,74 Porsche 911 Turbo (964 3.300cc 300cv)
1,07,74 Ferrari 456GT
1,07,76 Toyota Supra RZ-S
1,07,78 Mitsubishi GTO TwinTurbo MR
1,07,89 Mazda RX-7 Type RZ (MKIII 255cv)
1,07,89 Dodge Viper
1,08,04 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR2 220cv)
1,08,04 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (964 3.6l 250cv)
1,08,06 Porsche 911 Carrera (996 300cv)
1,08,09 Subaru Legacy S401 Sti Version (293cv)
1,08,10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II RS (260cv)
1,08,17 BMW Z3 M Roadster (321cv)
1,08,17 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (New Age 2001 280cv)
1,08,46 Toyota Supra
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv)
1,08,89 Nissan Silvia Spec-R (S15 250cv)
1,08,89 Porsche 911 Carrera (993)
1,08,90 Mazda RX-7 Type R Bathurst (MKIII 255cv)
1,08,96 Honda S2000 (250cv)
1,08,98 Honda Civic Type-R (CTR2 2.0l 215cv)
1,09,16 Honda Integra Type-R (ITR1 200cv)
1,09,27 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec (R32)
1,09,36 Toyota MR2 GT-S (MKII 245cv)
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv)
1,09,44 Porsche Boxster S (3.2l 252cv)
1,09,50 Ferrari 348TB
1,09,70 Lotus Elise (MKI 118cv)
1,09,72 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Nissan 350Z 280cv)

rynberg

The major problem with AWD is that it adds about 300-350 lbs to the car. That and the fact that it will understeer under power and then oversteer while letting off the throttle.

AWD is way over-hyped IMO. The only reason it's used/was used on cars like the 3000GT, Eclipse, Audi, Mitsubishi Evolution, and Suburu WRX is that those are all FWD applications. I would take AWD over FWD.

CCarlisi

Ryan,

The Mines Nissan skyline lapped the same track in 57 seconds with a 600hp engine. That's over 6 seconds faster than even the Ferrari F40. Still think it's over-hyped? I agree with your comment re the motive that companies like shitsubishi have for using awd, but that doesn't change the fact that it does have benefits and advantages. The new awd lambo Mer apparently beat the 911 GT2's time at the ring. That is pretty impressive given that it has a little more power and a lot more weight.

TireSmokin7

I think you can sum it up by saying the AWD drivers can be fast on the track but the RWD guys will have more fun! I love driving my RX-7 and would never consider trading for the wife's VR4. All I was trying to say was don't knock it until you've tried it. This debate should be listed with religon and politics.

swordfish

Does anyone happen to remember why Audi completely dominated the Trans AM series in the late 80's with their little 5 cyl engines against all the big V8's? And then why they kept getting giant weight penalties but kept winning? And then why they were ultimately banned from trans am racing entirely? Even though by this time they were roughly 600lbs heavier than all the other cars on the track and running half the displacement.

AWD.

Not saying its the best for every application, not saying its the worst. Just saying dont be so closed minded and think that all AWD cars are going to under steer, be heavy and slow. Though from the factory, just about every AWD car understeers.

jeff

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on the street though awd is just deadwieght a large percentage of the time, especially with these newer cars that dont let you do anything anyways

SNracing

i wish their was an option for a 4wheel drive car. like in a truck. just push a button and you can switch btwn awd and rwd. so you can have fun and hit higher speeds w/ your rwd, and kick it in the low end with awd. this may have already been done, im not sure. my friend has a chevy zr2, and it has push button 4wd. you can be on the go, and just push the button to switch btwn 2 and 4 wheel drive.