ABS should i removed or keep it?
08-24-05, 01:02 PM
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ABS should i removed or keep it?
i have a 1993 fd and i am thinking in removed the complete ABS sistem for weight saving and more room in my engine
what you think guys of this, should i removed or keep it
af anyone has removed let me knowyour opinion
what you think guys of this, should i removed or keep it
af anyone has removed let me knowyour opinion
08-24-05, 01:04 PM
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fart on a friends head!!!
what are you doing with the car? is this some racers dream? or is this car an ACTUAL track machine? id say you may wanna keep it if your just wanting all the locals to think youre a supercool racecar driver, yo!!!
08-24-05, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cewrx7r1
For street use, keep it.
For track use, dump it.
For track use, dump it.
Your stopping time from 60 will jump 40'. The best drivers in world can't come close to the stoping power of ABS. Tracktion control is another matter the best drivers can best that system.
08-24-05, 09:56 PM
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whell the idea cross my mind because i am lightening the car i already have cf hood cf trunk and fiber glass fenders and someone told me that remove the ABS will save as much as 50 pounds,i dpont know wht else to remove,i know that removing the abs will deadly to brake times on the street
but just asking
but just asking
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08-25-05, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Getting aftermarket seats will save you 50 lbs and not reduce safety. Eliminating the ABS to save the ~35 lbs on a non-track only car is just stupid IMO.
Probably more like 15lbs max.
I agree otherwise, dumping the ABS is stupid.
08-25-05, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by turbojeff
35lbs!
Probably more like 15lbs max.
Probably more like 15lbs max.
I have seen figures listed for other cars showing the complete ABS system (including additional piping, wheel speed sensors, and computer unit) weighing in at about 40 lbs.
08-25-05, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by rynberg
Getting aftermarket seats will save you 50 lbs and not reduce safety. Eliminating the ABS to save the ~35 lbs on a non-track only car is just stupid IMO.
08-25-05, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian
50 lbs ??? With my R2 seats at 26 lbs each I did not save much going with kelvar shells and alum. brackets ... to have saved 50lbs I would have needed to use foam pads for seats.
08-25-05, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FLA94FD
Your stopping time from 60 will jump 40'. The best drivers in world can't come close to the stoping power of ABS. Tracktion control is another matter the best drivers can best that system.
ABS does not make you stop any sooner, it allows you to keep control. It's been proven over and over a good driver without ABS will stop shorter or the same as a ABS equipped car.
08-25-05, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Zero R
ABS does not make you stop any sooner, it allows you to keep control. It's been proven over and over a good driver without ABS will stop shorter or the same as a ABS equipped car.
On an ideal surface with an ideal weight distribution between tires, with ideal near lock-up driver control, yes, braking distance w/o abs may be near equal or perhaps sometimes shorter due to a great driver maximizing braking g's by holding at near but never at full lockup versus ABS's on-release pattern. HOWEVER when are things ideal; your weakest tire grip limits braking and can be caused by wheel unloading, from turnin, bump, load transfer from braking etc or surface grip due to roughness, pavement type, moisture, tar, oil, dirt etc. ..... I will take the ABS any day.
The only proven shorter stopping distance wilthout ABS is in snow and gravel; snow not ice, rain, or dry but snow or gravel that builds up in front of a locked wheel.
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08-25-05, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zero R
It's been proven over and over a good driver without ABS will stop shorter or the same as a ABS equipped car.
In every racing series that allows the use of ABS, every last car runs it.
08-25-05, 05:39 PM
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There was a good ABS discussion a few months ago:
https://www.rx7club.com/suspension-wheels-tires-brakes-20/abs-removal-394733/
Here's one of the best points:
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https://www.rx7club.com/suspension-wheels-tires-brakes-20/abs-removal-394733/
Here's one of the best points:
Originally Posted by rynberg
No human being can keep the wheels on the edge of locking-up as well as an ABS system can, not even Schumacher. An ABS system pulses several times a second, which is much faster than a human being can do it.
Not only that, but you'll never have all four wheels locking up at the same time, even if the braking system is perfectly setup. One or two wheels will always lock up faster than the other ones, due to weight transfer, slightly different traction conditions, etc. With 3 or 4-channel ABS, this doesn't matter, as the system will work to prevent that individual wheel from locking-up WHILE KEEPING THE OTHER WHEELS AT HIGHER BRAKING PRESSURE. This is impossible to do without an ABS system.
Not only that, but you'll never have all four wheels locking up at the same time, even if the braking system is perfectly setup. One or two wheels will always lock up faster than the other ones, due to weight transfer, slightly different traction conditions, etc. With 3 or 4-channel ABS, this doesn't matter, as the system will work to prevent that individual wheel from locking-up WHILE KEEPING THE OTHER WHEELS AT HIGHER BRAKING PRESSURE. This is impossible to do without an ABS system.
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08-26-05, 07:37 AM
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Here's why a good ABS system will out brake a man every time:
Originally Posted by DamonB
An ABS system allows you to brake to the limit of the tire(s) with the greatest amount of grip while sending less pressure to the other tire(s) on verge of locking. If you were God himself you could not do that with only a brake pedal and a bias bar. This is why a true ABS system will always stop faster; ABS allows each tire to brake to its greatest ability. A man behind a non-ABS brake pedal is forced to brake to the tire of least ability, regardless of that man's talent.