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It seems he just figured out which wire in the connector was the live horn wire and shoved the horn wire on his wheel into it perhaps with an extension.
In some cases Miata wheels of the same era can be switched in place of the RX7 wheel of similar configuration. In my case (version 5) the RX7 horn pad did not quite sit flush on the Miata Wheel. Also some adjustment had to be made to the mating surface at the back.
If your center section is not sitting flush, there is a small chance you have Miata wheel there.
It seems he just figured out which wire in the connector was the live horn wire and shoved the horn wire on his wheel into it perhaps with an extension.
In some cases Miata wheels of the same era can be switched in place of the RX7 wheel of similar configuration. In my case (version 5) the RX7 horn pad did not quite sit flush on the Miata Wheel. Also some adjustment had to be made to the mating surface at the back.
If your center section is not sitting flush, there is a small chance you have Miata wheel there.
Wasn't the Miata sold under the Eunos brand though? Everything sort of lines up, it just doesn't seem like it all fits at once, I figured maybe I was doing something wrong. then again maybe it was sold with the efini center cap and Miata wheel, but they look like they were a matching pair.
Wasn't the Miata sold under the Eunos brand though? Everything sort of lines up, it just doesn't seem like it all fits at once, I figured maybe I was doing something wrong. then again maybe it was sold with the efini center cap and Miata wheel, but they look like they were a matching pair.
If you are talking about the Efini wheel in that video then that one is RX-7 specific.
Originally Posted by SwappedNA
Worst case I can utilize the contact pad that came on my car that I'm holding in the first two photos I think, but I'm not sure how to wire them up, Green which I'm assuming is + and black I'm assuming is -, but Idk how to make the two wires of that connect to the one wire on the Efini wheel.
Also, side note, anyone have any issues getting the horn pad on an efini wheel to sit flush? Mine will not sit in flush, at all, either the top part wants to sit flush with the 6 o clock part sticking out, or vice versa.
Picture? Sounds like something underneath is elevated causing the pad to not sit flush. Does it sit flush off the car?
Never had a non-airbag steering wheel so I'm not too familiar with the horn mechanism, but I would think one of the wire (probably black) go to steering column to the trigger relay and the other go to the horn pad.
Originally Posted by SwappedNA
Does anyone have a non srs/ non airbag car they have pictures of with the steering wheel off? That might be a good indicator.
If you are talking about the Efini wheel in that video then that one is RX-7 specific.
Picture? Sounds like something underneath is elevated causing the pad to not sit flush. Does it sit flush off the car?
Never had a non-airbag steering wheel so I'm not too familiar with the horn mechanism, but I would think one of the wire (probably black) go to steering column to the trigger relay and the other go to the horn pad.
The horn pad does not fit super flush into the wheel on or off the car. It looks like it's about 98% there, then again, I could just be doing something wrong. I'll look at it and see,but maybe it's too simple and I'm overthinking it.
On a side note, I managed to find a seller selling the "Contact Plate" which I bought on yahoo japan auctions. Probably going to come back as discontinued, though. I emailed the proxy bidder ahead of time and had them confirm, and they said it was indeed in stock, though I still have my doubts. If/when it gets to the warehouse and I get pictures, I'll have a better idea if I can use that with my Bathurst-X clockspring to regain horn functionality on my Efini wheel.
Last edited by SwappedNA; Jun 23, 2021 at 10:33 PM.
If the gaps are even on all 3 sides then it is probably normal. The reason I ask is because I have ran into many wheels that is bent due to accident, causing the center section to not fit right and have uneven gap. Most of them were cause by the airbag deployment, but I have seen some that are cause by the driver hitting the wheel.
For the wires, easiest just do a continuity test down to the horn relay at the rad support. Usual momo wire is like a household green and yellow earth, so wouldn't make a particular assumption about colours
N00-23-298Y comes up on the Mx-5 fitted with a momo as Redbul says and also the AZ-3 with sporty pretensions, if your lead goes south and you must go OEM, I'd probably scan yahoo for a complete column, surely a few 100k of the former made with that option over there. Guessing a non-airbag one in the US market wouldn't have been permitted by the mid 90s!
For the wires, easiest just do a continuity test down to the horn relay at the rad support. Usual momo wire is like a household green and yellow earth, so wouldn't make a particular assumption about colours
N00-23-298Y comes up on the Mx-5 fitted with a momo as Redbul says and also the AZ-3 with sporty pretensions, if your lead goes south and you must go OEM, I'd probably scan yahoo for a complete column, surely a few 100k of the former made with that option over there. Guessing a non-airbag one in the US market wouldn't have been permitted by the mid 90s!
Hopefully the lead works, that's the same part number that goes for the Bathurst-X wheel for 95. If it does go south, hopefully the clockspring and supporting part I ordered will work out.
every North American FD got an airbag, i just looked
I believe that was due to the NHTSA stipulating every vehicle sold around x model year onwards (might be off on this, definitely don't take this as fact) has to have an automatic passive safety device. That's why you see many cars without airbags that have auto belts, and cars without auto belts have airbags that were made during that period.
I believe that was due to the NHTSA stipulating every vehicle sold around x model year onwards (might be off on this, definitely don't take this as fact) has to have an automatic passive safety device. That's why you see many cars without airbags that have auto belts, and cars without auto belts have airbags that were made during that period.
true, in the USA its 1989 and newer. Canada is different though, and so like the Canadian Miata doesn't have an airbag until 1993.
true, in the USA its 1989 and newer. Canada is different though, and so like the Canadian Miata doesn't have an airbag until 1993.
Also why the S5 FC's had the auto belts (with the exception of the verts, which received the airbag) if memory serves.
Anyway, still waiting on my order from Nengun and Yahoo auctions Japan. Hopefully this will work itself out when those arrive (if the one from Yahoo Auction japan even ships.)
Also why the S5 FC's had the auto belts (with the exception of the verts, which received the airbag) if memory serves.
except in Canada, where they just had normal seat belts the whole time.
Anyway, still waiting on my order from Nengun and Yahoo auctions Japan. Hopefully this will work itself out when those arrive (if the one from Yahoo Auction japan even ships.)
it will, it needs to go from the dude selling it, to Nengun, and that can take a while. the Nengun to you is really fast though. My Teins took ~10 days to ship, but shipping was,
Overnight from Japan! just like Paul Walker said
it will, it needs to go from the dude selling it, to Nengun, and that can take a while. the Nengun to you is really fast though. My Teins took ~10 days to ship, but shipping was,
Overnight from Japan! just like Paul Walker said
That part I'm not worried about, the Nengun order, I bought OEM parts new from them, so I'm assuming they are sourcing them from Mazda Japan.
I'm concerned about the "contact plate" (the Bathurst-X horn connector that I'm holding in my hand in those earlier pictures.) I bought from Yahoo Japan Auctions via Buyee. It is discontinued via mazda, and the auction page says "This product may have "Price change" and "Discontinued" parts because the posted data is old! Please wait for the contact from here after ordering. "
The order is showing as Completed on Buyee's end, but it hasn't shipped yet, idk if the part is not available even though it is listed, etc (no picture of it, so I'm hoping I don't get a message from buyee saying it's out of stock, but I wouldn't be surprised. Other than that I'm not worried about the parts arriving, might just take longer than I'd want to admit.
Buyee usually ship a day after I pay for the shipping, then 10 days till I get it if it was ship via EMS, faster if they are DHL Air. Their packing service kind of sucks tho, they tried to charge me $430 to ship a combined package that would've been less than $100 to ship separately. Took me over a week emailing back and forth with their customer service before they are willing to break the package apart to ship separately.
Buyee usually ship a day after I pay for the shipping, then 10 days till I get it if it was ship via EMS, faster if they are DHL Air. Their packing service kind of sucks tho, they tried to charge me $430 to ship a combined package that would've been less than $100 to ship separately. Took me over a week emailing back and forth with their customer service before they are willing to break the package apart to ship separately.
Well, unfortunately in this case, I turned out to be right.
I just received an email saying the order was cancelled because it was out of stock (why did they bother having it listed then, that's so annoying.) So the "Contact Plate" is a no go. I know its used on other model Mazdas, one of the Autozam's and the NA Miata, but idk what kana I'd use to search for that on yahoo japan auctions. Anyone have any suggestions? I've tried ハンドル and I haven't had any success.
Last edited by SwappedNA; Jun 25, 2021 at 11:13 PM.
what were you trying to get? i'm not clear, but below is the way i interpret the catalog
the N002-32-98Y is for this style wheel, and is included in the boss kit, which is available. F124-32-98X
if its the other wheel,
then you need the F100-66-SP0 which also looks available
Fun Ford Fact! the Edsels had the transmission controls in the steering wheel, where most cars would have the horn. so if something happened and you went to hit the horn you'd shift it into park or reverse while moving, which blows up the transmission.
what were you trying to get? i'm not clear, but below is the way i interpret the catalog
the N002-32-98Y is for this style wheel, and is included in the boss kit, which is available. F124-32-98X
if its the other wheel,
then you need the F100-66-SP0 which also looks available
Fun Ford Fact! the Edsels had the transmission controls in the steering wheel, where most cars would have the horn. so if something happened and you went to hit the horn you'd shift it into park or reverse while moving, which blows up the transmission.
I was/am trying to obtain the part shaded in green (picture included at the bottom of my post), from the same diagram you listed. the 82-780A. That looks to me like the part I am holding in my hand in the first post/first picture upload of the thread. The part you listed in that momo wheel diagram, the 82-98X, That would make sense that it is a kit. I'm technically not even sure what the 82-780A is, but I assumed it was what I needed because it shows a connector coming off it, and that is NLA, but like you mentioned (good call) the kit is available still, I might go that route, too.
I was trying to source parts for both the non srs/non airbag Efini wheel, and the momo wheel (even though I'm trying to use the Efini wheel) in case there were any compatibility issues trying to use the Efini clockspring parts with my car, as it has the momo clockspring, etc.
I did order the 66-SP0, and the 60-253, as I wasn't sure if I needed both or not should I attempt to get the Efini horn working that way. It looks like the 66-SP0 is different between the momo equipped car (you can see it in the background of me holding the two rings, it matches the momo diagram) and the car with the Efini non srs/non airbag. They share the same part number (the 66-SP0) so I figured I'd order both, I didn't think I could use the ring I have in my hand in the first two pictures with the Efini non srs/non airbag clockspring, as they are visibly different.
Last edited by SwappedNA; Jun 26, 2021 at 05:13 PM.
That boss kit is a pretty penny, here at any rate, but might save a lot of stuffing around.
ZenMarket or Jesse Streeter could probably assist with a search term otherwise. Using Eunos roadster, that brings up a few bits of momo, I was expecting multiple pages though! https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/search/...flg=1&b=1&n=50 looking under electrical might be an idea too.
That ring depicted under the steering wheel might have some horn related function too. Hard to image it's captured by the column nut or boss, maybe retains the horn button spring clip somehow?
Hey J9, are you 100% sure about the parts availability?
Nengun emailed me just now and said that H38466126 (Cancellation Combi Switch Cam) and F10066SP0 (Combination Switch Slip Ring ) are both NLA. Really annoyed it took them a week to tell me this, but I know you mentioned they looked to be available, so I'm wondering if there might be a miscommunication on their end.
Last edited by SwappedNA; Jun 27, 2021 at 11:39 PM.
Also, a possible minor success, I did find an assembly for sale second hand, it looks like what I'd need, but I'm somewhat concerned as to if it will even fit. Looking at the parts diagrams we've referenced before, this definitely looks to be a non srs efini clockspring & switch assembly. I imagine the horn switch from my efini wheel (which I believe is a three prong connector but only one wire) will plug into that part on the clockspring that you referenced J9. However, what I'm worried about is, if you see the clockspring below (the Non airbag/srs efini I believe), there are the two wire harness plugs, one large and multiple pins, and then the small white plug. I'm not sure if my car will even have this small white plug car side to go into that. I suppose I can pull the steering column cover off tomorrrow and look.
